Skip to content

NewsReal Sunday: O’Reilly’s Attack on Atheists Doesn’t Do Jesus Any Favors

December 6, 2009

What is your favorite annual Christmas tradition?  I think Bill O’Reilly’s is battling it out with supposed Christmas haters in the secular battle ground of the holiday season. It’s that time of year again: War on Christmas time.

“Why believe in a god?  Just be good for goodness sake.” That is the message of the American Humanist Association’s (AHA) ad campaign on buses in some cities in America.  And those two questions really bother O’Reilly.

O’Reilly has always billed himself as a “culture warrior.” He believes he must stand up against secularists who fight against the Judeo-Christian roots of American culture. I have no problem with O’Reilly fighting that battle, but sometimes I have a problem with how he does it. His most recent skirmish with the AHA doesn’t do Christians any favor, in fact, I believe he demeans us.

“Why do they loathe the baby Jesus?  He’s just a baby…How do you sell atheism by running down a baby?  It’s just a baby.” – Bill O’Reilly

O’Reilly goes on to say that atheists attack Christmas because they are jealous of the fun Christians and Jews (with Hannukah) have this time of year. They are so jealous that they must attack a little baby Jesus.

Well, Bill, here’s a little tip for your culture war: don’t defend Christianity by calling its Savior God “just a baby”.  Let me give you a quote from a classic American comedy:

Ricky Bobby: Dear tiny infant Jesus…
Carley Bobby: Hey, um… you know sweetie, Jesus did grow up. You don’t always have to call him baby. It’s a bit odd and off puttin’ to pray to a baby.

Do I think the AHA is attacking Jesus, because they are jealous of Christians during Christmas time? Of course not. The AHA wants everyone to believe you can be good without God. Do I believe the AHA is attacking Christianity with their ad? Of course. The AHA wants to remove the Judeo-Christian worldview from our society.  That’s obvious in everything from their ads, their public statements, and annual selections for Humanist of the Year. Recent winners include an anti-intelligent design activist (PZ Myers), Congressman Pete Stark (seemingly anti-Israel), and Richard Dawkins (whose career goal may just be to defeat Christian thought).  O’Reilly is right in seeing these ads as part of the culture war, but wrong and unhelpful in his response to them.

Christians do not want to convince people to our side so they can have more fun on Christmas. And we do not think of Jesus as simply some helpless, cute little baby.  During Christmas, we do remember God coming in the flesh as a baby.  But we believe so much more than that.  The Prophet Isaiah said it well:

6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this. Isaiah 9:6-7

We celebrate the Almighty God when we celebrate the birth of Jesus.  He is the One who is ruler and creator of the world.  That is the opposite worldview of the humanist and atheist.  It deserves real discussion and not watered down antagonistic ads by AHA or silly statements by O’Reilly.

About these ads
19 Comments
  1. Firebirds#48 permalink
    December 6, 2009 6:11 am

    Those(O’reilly) who I sometimes like….do not need to defend
    Jesus. For centuries we have had wars defending our beliefs.
    Truth stands alone in it’s Brightest Light and never needs
    explanation or defense. We are all work in progress, and
    Bill needs to grow up a little more,and keep his Christmas
    defense off his show. A great person once said” Someone
    standing on a corner screaming for Peace,Sends out a
    vibration that is creating War….poor cat he has no idea
    that he is doing this” Take heed Bill.

  2. John Patterson permalink
    December 6, 2009 7:08 am

    O’Reilly has always struck me as a New York blowhard and a total WOT. Does Jesus really need O’Reilly to defend him. More to the point, what does celebrating the Roman Saturnalia have to do with Jesus? What “Christmas Spirit” is on display at the shopping malls of America? More like “the spirit of the world” isn’t it? (1 Cor. 2:12)

  3. Cynthia Thornburg permalink
    December 6, 2009 8:21 am

    Paul? Apparently sarcasm is not part of your repertoire and O’Reilly’s has escaped you. O’Reilly has become so middle of the road trying to appeal to all people; that I find him rather irritating. That said, I see nothing wrong with his analysis on this subject. I personally stopped celebrating Christmas over twenty-five years ago because I believe it to be a pagan holiday (Every atheist I know celebrates Christmas). But, I also think scrubbing the nation’s landscape of Christmas is an outright crime. I do believe that lots of folks have been pushed into intolerance of their rights to celebrate Christmas in this “war against Christmas”. Because of that, I will continue to fight on the side to keep Christmas in America, (even though I don’t believe in it.) P.S. O’Reilly is not an evangelist. You excoriating him for evangelizing the wrong way makes no sense on your part.

    • Paul Cooper permalink
      December 6, 2009 1:51 pm

      Cynthia,
      I fully understand that O’Reilly was being sarcastic. Why do you assume I didn’t? His defense – even his sarcastic defense – is offensive and offers no helpful defense against atheists in the culture war. And that has nothing to do with evangelism – which I do not talk about in the article. You make a lot of assumptions about my blog that aren’t based on anything I wrote.

      • Cynthia Thornburg permalink
        December 6, 2009 5:54 pm

        I brought up the word. You did not. Wondering why you feel a need to point out that you did not mention the word in this article. Duh. You are also making assumptions that everyone thinks exactly the way you do; and would therefor go along with you sniping remarks. Wondering why you feel a need to defend against atheists. Why not just do what Jesus would do? Wipe the dust from your shoes and leave them in their assured journey to Hell. Your article is your opinion. My opinion is, “who cares”.

        Note to self: Now that makes two bloggers on here that believe in excoriating those on the right that perhaps get a little out of line from your hard core middle or hard core right. I thought all those with elitist attitudes were on the left.

        • F. Swemson permalink
          December 6, 2009 11:42 pm

          Huh ?

          Wipe the dust from your shoes and leave them in their assured journey to Hell.

          So let me get this straight:

          Paul seems to feel that Christians (or Christmas) needs to be defended from Atheists ?

          And Cynthia thinks they should just be ignored because they’re going to hell anyway…

          I don’t know where you guy’s got these ideas, but here’s a dose of reality for you:

          The vast majority of atheists couldn’t care less what religious people do in their churches or with their holidays. Why should we.. They pose no threat to us, in fact their religious faith, with rare exceptions, make them excellent neighbors. The progressives on the other hand do indeed care, not because they don’t agree with the religious beliefs, but because they know that people with strongly held religious beliefs, are a threat to their efforts to implement their sick and evil ideology upon everyone. Some of them are atheists to be sure, but what you’re seeing is evidence of the onset of communism / socialism, not an effort by those who don’t believe, to convert others who do.

          When have atheists ever made any overt attempt to even criticize religion? It works the other way around, always has and always will. Atheists don’t hate people of faith, but people of faith, for the most part hate atheists. People who believe are constantly trying to convince others to believe in their particular type of faith. Why they do this is something I can only speculate on, but I’m pretty sure it has something to do with the fact that they feel more secure in their beliefs if nobody is questioning them, because when that happens, they eventually get forced to ask themselves questions that they don’t want to answer.

          And as for Cynthia’s statement, it shows the narrow minded insecurity of most religious people who participate in this phony made up campaign. Culture war indeed…. O’Reilly has been so warped by the cathoclic faith he was brought up in that he’s become totally irrational about the subject. A few years back some gays in costumes went into a Catholic Church during a service, and O’Reilly’s been caterwauling about their “desecration of the sacrament” ever since.

          The fact is that the people of the world are slowly but surely moving away from religion.. It’s been going on for generations, and it will continue.. It’s like climate change.. It’s normal and natural and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop it. The Pew Research report on trends in religion in America, shows that 16% of Americans don’t believe, but I’m pretty sure that the number is far greater than that, because many non believers don’t want to stir up trouble for themselves by admitting the truth about what they believe, so they keep it to themselves. Think about Bill Clinton and his constant photo ops walking into or out of a church. Do you honestly think that a man like that with the morals of a snake, really believes in god? Many if not the majority of atheists remain in the closet for the same reason why so many gays do, because they’re afraid of the way they’ll be treated if they “out” themselves.

          People who look at this movement away from religion from a rational and objective perspective, applaud it because they understand that the vast majority of the murder mayhem and misery that mankind has suffered over the ages, has been committed in the name of one god or another, and it’s time that stops. If the insanity of Muslim fanaticism isn’t sufficient to prove that to everyone, then it’s time they woke up.

          Atheists are happy to live in peace and harmony with people of faith, and for the most part, the only time that they become an irritation is when they try to push their beliefs down other people’s throats.

          Atheists aren’t a threat to people of faith, communists and socialists are the real threat.

          • December 7, 2009 7:01 am

            Not sure why you have such a combative tone, but you are just plain wrong about the majority of your analysis. I am glad though, that you realize radical islam is a grave threat to the world.

            “The vast majority of atheists couldn’t care less…to convert others who do.”
            Are you kidding me? Vast majority no, but there is a concerted effort of atheists like Dawkins and Hitchens to debunk religious thought, and many groups like the ACLU have all but declard war on our Christian heritage. The Religious realize they cant prove God exists, atheists usually wont admit they cannot prove that he doesnt. Also, calling religion in the US an evil ideology, and the early onset of communism is not even worth a rebuttal, its simply preposterous.

            “When have atheists ever made any overt attempt to even criticize religion?”
            Have you never had a discussion with an atheist?, or visited one of their blogs? Try it, and come from a religious point of view, see how ur treated.

            “Why they do this is something I can only speculate on, but I’m pretty sure it has something to do with the fact that they feel more secure in their beliefs if nobody is questioning them”
            A great tenet of Christianity is witnesses to friends, family, strangers, etc. Spreading the word is an important as believing, to many.

            “O’Reilly has been so warped by the cathoclic faith he was brought up in that he’s become totally irrational about the subject.”
            So you think the multiple examples of church desecration are not big stories? Here’s the difference, a Christian will think an atheist is wrong or misguided, atheists like yourself think those Christians are evil and bad. See you evil ideology comment.

            “It’s been going on for generations, and it will continue.. It’s like climate change”
            There are many reasons people are moving away from religion, and one is exactly the opposite of the point ur trying to prove, efforts to fight against the religious in america are widespread. You act like it isnt. And yes, like climate change, the more the public is educated on it, the less they believe it. Although the same can be true of the anti-religious, the more people are pushed away from it and educated against the idea of a creator, the more often they will find God in the end, or A God for that matter.

            “the vast majority of the murder mayhem and misery that mankind has suffered over the ages, has been committed in the name of one god or another..”
            Thats actually false, and only marginally applies before the 19th century if at all. Although Hitler was religious at his onset, obviously his views got severely skewed and no one can honestly say his atrocities were done in the name of God, ALL the other regimes in the 20th century were Godless, Mao who killed over 50 million, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong il, etc.

            Your last point is well taken, except for the fact that you group the religious into it. You need to take a deep look at the roots of communism/socialism and see where that movement comes from, atheists, and their progressive counterparts, would be a good start…

            • F. Swemson permalink
              December 7, 2009 11:03 am

              Mac;
              Thanks for your reply. I’d like to point out just a few places where make incorect assumptions about what you wrote:

              “The vast majority of atheists couldn’t care less…to convert others who do.”
Are you kidding me? Vast majority no, but there is a concerted effort of atheists like Dawkins and Hitchens to debunk religious thought, and many groups like the ACLU have all but declard war on our Christian heritage. The Religious realize they cant prove God exists, atheists usually wont admit they cannot prove that he doesnt. Also, calling religion in the US an evil ideology, and the early onset of communism is not even worth a rebuttal, its simply preposterous.

              Dawkins, Hitchens & Condell are simply a small group of people who write anti- religion books, which basically only appeal to people who believe as they do. Their work reaches such a small and limited audience, that they don’t even count in relation to your perceived organized campaign of atheists who are actively trying to destroy religion. They don’t try to advocate their positions to the public at large. The wrote a few books, and the small number of people who buy them occasionally ask them to address small groups of like minded people. You don’t see them proselytizing like televangelists on TV or in chautauqua tents all around middle America. So as I said, the vast majority just go on with their lives, and never bother anyone else. I’ve been an atheist since I was old enough to think for myself, and I’ve never opened a conversation with a religious person saying that he was wasting his time praying to god… I do however tell the truth when people ask me about my faith or lack of same. Religious organizations have 10’s of thousands of professionals out there spreading the word of god and trying to recruit new members for their churches… The few atheists who write about the issue, and run a website here & there amount to no significant threat against anyone.

              The Religious realize they cant prove God exists, atheists usually wont admit they cannot prove that he doesnt.

              By that statement, you show that you have little if any idea about who atheists are and what they think. Atheists don’t say that god DOESN’T exist. How could they ? By definition, you can’t prove a negative. What atheists say is that they’ve seen no credible evidence to support the idea that there is a god. A great many religious people labor under this misconception. Religious people are always trying to prove god’s existence to non believers, and the evidence they use is always anecdotal, which simply proves nothing. How could we possibly make a case to prove that a supernatural being, who by very definition is invisible and unknowable, that many believe in doesn’t exist? We can say that it doesn’t seem logical, but to definitively say that it can be proven to be a false, is an absurd position to take, and I’ve never heard even one atheist saying it can be proved…

              “When have atheists ever made any overt attempt to even criticize religion?”
Have you never had a discussion with an atheist?, or visited one of their blogs? Try it, and come from a religious point of view, see how ur treated.

              I’ve had several conversations with others who think like I do, and while we may jest from time to time about the hypocrisy and the scandals, we keep it to ourselves. We don’t hate religious people, instead we look at them more like naïve children waiting for Santa Claus or the tooth fairy. As to the blogs, they are but a few, with very limited audiences. For the most part, the only people who read them are people who have already left their religious beliefs behind them.

              “O’Reilly has been so warped by the cathoclic faith he was brought up in that he’s become totally irrational about the subject.”
So you think the multiple examples of church desecration are not big stories? Here’s the difference, a Christian will think an atheist is wrong or misguided, atheists like yourself think those Christians are evil and bad. See you evil ideology comment.

              No.. Thos events you’re referring to do not constitute big stories. When the KKK burned down black churches in the south, that was a big story, but when Muslims the world over attack synagogues, or set up ambushes for people leaving the synagogue after services and brutally murder them, and write hatefull slogans on their walls, that doesn’t seem to attract much media attention these days, does it?

              And you totally misquote me when you said that atheists see Christians as evil and bad… Reread my “evil ideology” comment, it clearly states: “The progressives on the other hand do indeed care, not because they don’t agree with the religious beliefs, but because they know that people with strongly held religious beliefs, are a threat to their efforts to implement their sick and evil ideology upon everyone.” The evil ideology I was referring to is socialism and communism, NOT religion. Religion these days, with the exception of the islamo-fascists, is totally benign.
              “the vast majority of the murder mayhem and misery that mankind has suffered over the ages, has been committed in the name of one god or another..”
Thats actually false, and only marginally applies before the 19th century if at all. Although Hitler was religious at his onset, obviously his views got severely skewed and no one can honestly say his atrocities were done in the name of God, ALL the other regimes in the 20th century were Godless, Mao who killed over 50 million, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong il, etc.

              You’re looking at history through a very narrow lens. Hitler wanted to wipe out the Jews. The Irish Catholics wanted to kill the British Protestants (& vice versa). The ethnic cleansing in the Balkans was based on religion. The Muslims in Pakistan have been at war with the Hindus in India for generations. It may be less so in the 20th century but it was far more so in previous centuries, when religious wars were quite common. Remember the Cursades, and the buring of witches that was commonplace in early America? Often times the motives of the evil people who start wars are intertwined with religious motivations, but even when they simply pick on a minority group to pick on & use as a scapegoat, as Hitler did, the people wouldn’t have gone along with him if it weren’t for the ingrained anti-Semitism already in the German people.

              To repeat, I and most other atheists couldn’t care less about what religious people do. Atheists basically have a live & let live philosophy. Of my 2 best friends in life, one is an evangelical Christian and the other is an orthodox Jew. We’re like brothers, and we know what each of us believe, and while we discuss it sometimes, we’re not trying to convert each other at all.

              I think the main point here however, is that far too many religious people equate the progressive’s goals with atheism, and that’s a mistake. Their motives are political, & all they care about is power. They use lots of scapgoats, & religion is but one of them.. The attack the oil companies, and the medical insurance companies in much the same manner. They’re trying to tear down the country’s basic principles and structure, so they can have power over every aspect of our lives, and attacking religion is only one small part of their strategy.. But it’s a communist strategy… NOT an atheist’s strategy. Even if we wanted to promote atheism, there’s no need to do so. Religion is already declining on its own.

              • December 7, 2009 11:47 am

                Swemson,

                A few quick things before i reply to your comments. I appreciate your even handed tone, ive engaged in many arguments that quickly disseminated into garbage. Sorry about misreading your comment, the wording got me.

                I do believe you are missing your sides motives and tactics a bit. Ive had many debates, online and in person, where its common place to bash religion, you said yourself you and your cohorts view the religious as “naive children”.. Hardly comparable to my comment of the religious thinking atheists are misguided. Using your logic you would think any atheist would prefer to call himself agnostic.

                Also, the skewing of a faith, just like the skewing of any ideology can lead to evil. As can the view that others are evil opposed to misguided, radical islamist believe others are evil and can justify through their skewed prism of faith their actions, such as the left views many on the right as evil and can wrongly justify removal of freedoms or truly villainous acts on the right. Not comparing the groups just the thought process.

                I also fear godless societies, its just like capitalism, a balance needs to remain, that balance is tough though due to the radicals on each side.
                See if any of the atheists on here are hateful.
                http://friendlyatheist.com/

                • F. Swemson permalink
                  December 7, 2009 3:08 pm

                  Mac;

                  I don’t associate myself with a small bunch of wingnuts, who seem to have a desire to confront people into debating the issue, so they can get a chance to mouth off and say insulting things to them. To me they’re just as nuts as most extremists in any group. They don’t speak for the vast majority of atheists, and certainly not for me. If you think about the total number of those groups, relative to the (under) reported half million or so non believers, you have to recognize that they are indeed a TINY bunch of nutcases.

                  I looked at the website you referenced, and those signs & stuff that those groups try to put up are offensive even to me.

                  I don’t think that “my side” has any motives or tactics… maybe those wingnuts do, but to me they don’t mean anything in the big picture. I also agree that debates on the subject tend to get pretty obnoxious and abusive. Again, the atheists who get involved in that stuff have another agenda, and I don’t know or care what it is. If I had to guess, I’d say that these are people of low self esteem, who have to mouth off at others in order to make them feel superior in some sick way.

                  ” you said yourself you and your cohorts view the religious as “naive children”.. Hardly comparable to my comment of the religious thinking atheists are misguided.“

                  But we’re not talking about public discourse. If atheists were out on the streets saying that to people walking out of churches, that would be another thing, but we’re having a polite and (relatively) private intellectual discussion here, in which the subject of what atheists believe, and how they view people of faith, is very much part of the discussion, and I assumed that you would want me to give you honest answers about what I really think. If we were on the opposite sides of a street hurling insults at each other, those words would have an entirely different meaning. And frankly, I don’t see all that much difference between you calling us misguided and my thinking of you as being naïve. Naïve doesn’t mean you’re stupid or evil or anything remotely like an insult, just as you calling us misguided isn’t an insult either. But you totally lose me when you say:

                  ” Using your logic you would think any atheist would prefer to call himself agnostic.“

                  I have no idea where you’re coming from with that remark. An atheist says he has seen no evidence to support a belief in god, whereas an agnostic has seen some, but not enough to convince him or to support a belief in god, and consequently isn’t sure what to believe. The only possible meaning I can put to that remark, is that many atheists claim to be agnostic, because they perceive of that as not being as insulting to people of faith, as admitting they’re atheists. If that’s what you’re referring to please say so, & if not please explain what you actually did mean.

                  As to any comparison of the left’s opinion of anyone on the right, vs. the attitudes of Muslims to those who believe in any other god than theirs, I consider them to both be delusional if not totally insane. There are SOME atheists, typically on the far left, who have a real fear of the religious right, because the religious right (again the extremists) have historically attempted to force their beliefs on others through the law. Blue laws, and laws preventing the teaching of Darwin in public schools are not uncommon, but the most obvious example of that today is the debates over abortions and gay marriage, and I do believe that when we spend more time talking about that, than we do on talking about the way the left is shredding our constitution, the truth about our economy and a realistic view of the threat from Islamic extremists, it does make those religious people look a bit foolish, even in my eyes. Perhaps it’s just a matter of priorities, but considering the deep doo doo we’re in right now, with the very future of our freedoms and liberties at stake, and the enormous threat that ALL civilized people are facing from the 12th century barbarians in the middle east, it certainly puts those issues way down the list, and frankly, I don’t even believe that they should be discussed at all within the political arena.

                  I’m also mystified by your statement:

                  ” I also fear godless societies, its just like capitalism, a balance needs to remain, …”

                  Are you saying that you don’t believe in a free market economy ? Please explain that to me..

                  Cordially;
                  F.S.

                • Treefingers permalink
                  December 7, 2009 11:20 pm

                  @Mac

                  You fear Sweden, or Norway? Norway has the second highest GDP per capita in the world, unemployment below 2%, average wages among the worlds highest, ranked first in: life expectancy, literacy, education, and standard of living. all while being arguably the most atheist nation on the planet at 70% atheist. I think Norway is doing pretty good for itself. They are also rated one of the most peaceful nations in the world. I dont think you should fear Norway. I think you should fear a politician that believe Jesus will come back in the next 50 years. Because if we believe the world will end in 50 years why would something like climate change matter? If the world ends in 50 years why should we care about raping the earths natural resources like trees, potable water, animals. If the world is going to end in 50 years why are we exploring space. When many people know we explore space because at some point in the future our descendant generations might have to leave earth and live on a more hospitable planet after we destroy this one, or another galaxy collides with it. I think you should fear a large group of people who are covering up child rape. A large group of people who spread the myth that condoms spread AIDS. I think you should fear a dogma that can lead to the prosecution of children being witches. (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbGzFN_NalI) This is all happening RIGHT NOW, not to mention the countless atrocities of religious past.

                  People are questioning the respect that Americans seem to automatically give Christianity and that is seen as war on Christmas, or Christians. All people are trying to do is spread the idea that there are people that are religious, or not, that dont believe in your god. Christians are afraid they will lose power in America and that is the reason why people like Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck are getting so excited about this. Christianity is not the only religion in America and unless you can play fair and allow everyone else to celebrate their own traditions then you dont deserve to celebrate your own. One religion does not deserve to get the preferential treatment of the government.

  4. Psy permalink
    December 6, 2009 12:22 pm

    From my perspective Bill O’Reilly’s war on Christmas has exposed the anti-intellectualism and intolerance of religion and their pretentious claim of dominion over the winter holidays. Bill’s rants encouraging protest, phone calls and emails flooding the Washington State Capital over the inclusion of the FFRF atheist display ended with all cultural displays being banned this year on the Capitol grounds.

    I would have preferred equal representation but it seems religious exclusionism is too much of a headache and many local and state governments are choosing not to deal with it.

    It looks to me like Bill O’Reilly in intentionally pretending to support religious complaints by exaggerating their irrationality to advance equality and acceptances of others.

  5. Freeme permalink
    December 6, 2009 12:26 pm

    O’Reilly tends to get on everyone’s nerves now and then, and though I think in his heart he is a believer, maybe he jut got FED UP with all the commie movements going on now and THIS is always the LAST STRAW of the year…every year. I know atheists and they DO celebrate Christmas, though some would not utter the name of Jesus, God or word Christmas…now I ask you …how hypocritical is that? I have learned several things from atheists and the neo-commies, they are more into the ‘gift giving’ than the ORIGIN and meaning of Christmas. If someone would ask them why they give gifts and where did that come from, I wonder what their answer would be? Maybe,
    the myth of Santa Clause? LOL

  6. Treefingers permalink
    December 6, 2009 2:52 pm

    Well considering the holiday is rooted in pagan rituals it makes perfect sense for atheists to celebrate it. It has been long standing that “Christmas” is a winter solstice celebration, with a tree and gifting as a part of the pagan ritual. The Pope made this long celebrated holiday “Jesus birthday” because it was already a widely celebrated event.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice#Date

    The winter solstice is also called yule. Which is the rebirth of the sun. (Notice how it is the birth of the “son”) Now let me name some other “gods” that were born on December 25th: Krishnah, Mithra, Horus, Buddha, Beddon, Tammuz, Attis, Hercules, and Quetzalcoatl. Many of these gods are known as sun gods (or son of god: Jesus) and were invented many years before Jesus’ existence. Yet you only believe most recent, and I am sure you are unaware of the similarities between your god and the many like him before him.

    What this “war on Christmas” is doing is restoring the pagan holiday to a more inclusive and representative of the multiple religions that celebrate during this time. It is taking Christianity off its undeserving pedestal.
    You as a Christian are an atheist of thousands of gods. You know what its like to not believe in Zeus, or Allah, or many other gods you just dont take that atheist belief one god further. Until you realize that your god is nothing special, really look up the story of Horus, I know you do not understand the origin of your god.

  7. December 6, 2009 9:15 pm

    Hello, weird angst on this post for some reason.
    Anyways, Paul, good post, I was wondering to if you maybe didnt get all of Bill O’s sarcasm, thats why Cynthia would say that.
    I too get annoyed when he has a tough and important issue and spouts off making jokes of such serious matters.. When i feel that way about Bill i just point to the rest of the good that he does, presenting both sides nightly, fighting for the folks, pushing for stiffer penalties for child predators, calling out corrupt media sources, etc.
    I think what it really comes down to is, 1) a lot of FNC is entertainment driven, 2) No Opinion Commentator will think exactly like you are I do, and 3) take the good with the bad, ive been focusing on more and more sources lately, jsut so i dont get too annoyed by anyone in particular..

  8. Cynthia Thornburg permalink
    December 7, 2009 9:54 am

    I am sorry, I misquoted by making up my own translation. Old folks do that when they forget what they are talking about. “Shake Off the Dust Under Your Feet as a Testimony Against Them” is what I should have said. IT is found in matthew10:14 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.”
    In other words don’t argue with swine. You just get all dirty and it makes the swine happy.

    Macgregor explains it so much better. Thank you, MacGregor for all the clarifications.

    • F. Swemson permalink
      December 7, 2009 11:11 am

      Thanks Cynthia for proving my point above, that atheists don’t hate religious people, but most religious people hate atheists.

      You call us swine…. Nice.

      If ever there was a more clear case of bigotry, intolerance, and blind hatred, I haven’t found it..

      • December 7, 2009 2:37 pm

        Cynthia,
        In these types of forums, your position in never advanced with such statements, let me try and rephrase for you.

        What she was trying to say is that believers are encouraged to spend time with other believers, and to avoid others they deem wrong, hateful, bad, or whatever. Why you would come to such threads to say such things is beyond me, but calling these statements “bigotry, intolerance, and blind hatred” is a bit much.

        • F. Swemson permalink
          December 7, 2009 3:19 pm

          Mac;

          Good comment… thanks.

          But why do think that calling someone who you don’t even know “swine”, simply because he doesn’t share one’s religious beliefs, as not being bigoted, intolerant, or a sign of blind hatred?

          Granted, if she met me, she’d probably hate me .. :-) but until you know someone, by more than just their religious affiliation or lack of same, I see it as being just as hateful as a KKK member hating someone of color just because of the color of his skin.

Comments are closed.

Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 26 other followers