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August 31, 2009

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  1. Mark Koenig permalink
    August 31, 2009 7:40 pm

    I’ve long admired Barry Goldwater, who is often credited with reviving the modern conservative movement. He always struck me as more of a libertarian than a traditional Republican, which coincides to this day with my own views. Later in life he continued to impress me with his passionate criticism of some prominent Christian Right figures, most notably Pat Robertson.

    But it was Goldwater’s discovery of his grandson’s homosexuality, and subsequent staunch public support of him and his gay partner that finally cemented my respect and admiration. Ty Ross, Goldwater’s grandson, once brought a male friend who was on active duty in the Air Force over to meet his grandfather, by then past 80. When this friend confided to Goldwater that not only was he gay, but he would shortly be discharged from the military for this reason, Goldwater replied, “That’s the damnedest thing I’ve ever heard!” Shortly thereafter Goldwater faced a firestorm of criticism from conservative Republicans when he famously wrote “You don’t have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.” in a 1993 Washington Post op-ed piece. Not a bad little aphorism, eh?

    • August 31, 2009 7:54 pm

      This is a fantastic comment, Mark. Thanks.

      I imagine you would appreciate that aphorism given your appreciation of the 2nd amendment. 😉

  2. Julie Trevor permalink
    September 1, 2009 6:08 am

    Currently re-reading “The Conscience of a Conservative” – just a little comfort reading during these socialist times.
    JBT

  3. September 1, 2009 9:49 am

    There were and still are many attempts to define what Life is. There is no one generally accepted, full and complete definition. But all or almost all of them have one part in common: REPRODUCTION.

    And not only the obvious and proven fact of reproduction as such, but also an imminent, genetic call/desire/impulse/urge for reproduction of all living creatures.

    In animal and human beings, this call is implemented by the genetic mechanism in a form of an explicit sexual desire as a foretaste of a very strong sexual sensation, which is the moving engine of that genetic mechanism.

    Life cannot exist with no reproduction.

    Certain people and, they say, even some animals (which scientific truthfulness of I am not going to discuss right now) are experiencing a certain biological/genetical malfunction of that reproduction genetic mechanism, which lessens or even completely excludes an aspiration or yearning for a creature of an opposite sex.

    Hence, such living creatures are dismantling the genetic mechanism of reproduction and start using the still remaining sexual desire, sometimes even exclusively, for, so to speak, pure “personal satisfaction,” for a cul-de-sac/dead-end individual sexual sensation that factually contradicts the natural, genetic function of sustaining of Life.

    The fact that many homosexuals/lesbians have normal sexual relations with beings of the opposite sex and have children proves that in many cases homosexuality is not a matter of a real malfunction of the genetic mechanism of reproduction, but rather a “vogue” instigated by a wish to make sexual sensations more versatile.

    In any case, this becomes a pure private matter that contradicts the Nature, Life as such, because it is by its essence against reproduction.
    Anything that is against reproduction supports Death.

    Therefore, there is no reason whatsoever to support spreading of homosexuality. Unless our final goal is to terminate Life as such.

    Oh, I remind: any cancer starts from one malfunctioning cell.
    Personal freedom with no certain boundaries leads to social anarchy, and social anarchy is Death. It’s the proven fact.

    • Mark permalink
      September 2, 2009 8:01 am

      Constantine,

      Many of your statements regarding homosexuality are simply incorrect. In the first place, it is a fact that homosexual behavior has been observed in nearly 1500 species, and that it is well-documented in 500 of them. One cannot credibly call such a wide-ranging phenomenon within the animal kingdom “against nature”.

      Secondly, your characterization of homosexual behavior in humans as simply a “vogue” intended to “spice-up” sexual relations is wild and inaccurate generalization. While some individuals who fall somewhere in the middle of the Kinsey continuum may engage in same-sex relations for variety, this is not true for the vast majority of those who self-identify as homosexual. In fact, these individuals generally report being strongly attracted to members of the same sex from a quite early age.

      Numerous psychiatric and psychological studies bear this out. Either you are ignorant of these facts, or you are consciously choosing to ignore them. “Anything that is against reproduction supports death”? What exactly do you mean by this statement? Are you suggesting that heterosexual couples who cannot reproduce are “supporting death”?

      Furthermore – I have never heard anyone with any credibility in Western society support the “spreading” of homosexuality – only the recognition of the fact that it exists as a normal part of human variation.

      • September 2, 2009 11:54 am

        I can give you an endless list of scientists who defend and promote Global Warming as caused by human activities, led by a creature that has nothing to do with science, named Al Gore.
        So what?
        In Moscow 1973,it was -45C. And there were many “scientific” works insisting that the Global Cooling is the result of human activities.

        “Intelligentzia” (and scientists belong to that category) can prove or try to prove almost anything.
        Lenin called “intelligentzia” “pghostitute” (he burred the “r” sound).

        Even if you were able to present (which I highly doubt you can) your imaginary list of 100s and 1000s you mentioned, it still doesn’t elevate the rank of homosexuality to the level of the normal Life-producing genetic mechanism.

        The whatever number of cases of a real, not faked (vogued) homosexuality is or can be observed, do not eliminate the fact that homosexuality DOES NOT PRODUCE LIFE.
        Therefore, it is eventually self-destructing. Of course, I am talking in general terms, not about a particular lover of …hmmm… you know what.

        Yes, it is a part of human and animal variation.
        There are many variations – rapists, gangsters, oligophrenic people, exhibitionists, Communists, Fascists, etc. Should I support and applaud them?
        It is not “a normal part of human variation” because it contradicts the general purpose of Life, which is LIFE, not Death.

        Therefore, there is no reason to create any conditions that can be served as promotion of homosexuality.

      • September 2, 2009 12:20 pm

        More utterly ludicrous arguments from Constantine. Or to even dignify them as “arguments” is a bit much. He’s just stringing together abstractions trying to justify and intellectualize his anti-gay sentiments.

        “Anything that is against reproduction supports Death.”

        Thus my working all day for the Freedom Center supports death because my focusing on it prevents me from procreating with my wife all day long. There are plenty of far more thoughtful arguments against homosexuality but this one is just too ludicrous to take seriously. Sorry, I just can’t stop laughing long enough to actually engage this “argument” any more.

        I’m sure it all makes sense in Constantine’s head but that’s pretty much the only place it’ll ever make sense.

      • September 2, 2009 12:21 pm

        About your “Are you suggesting that heterosexual couples who cannot reproduce are “supporting death”?”
        I beg you, I beseech on my knees: please don’t make as if you are not as intelligent as you are.
        To ease your bewilderment: “heterosexual couples who cannot reproduce” are suffering an illness and often go for a conception “in vitro” if they can. But even if they can’t, they are still in the “Life train” mentally and biologically (not medically, though). It’s they misfortune.

        Homosexuals convert the natural genetic mechanism of reproduction into a sexaul toy for their specific sexual sensation that doesn’t imply creation of Life. It’s simply a pure EGO.
        And when, unlike numerous homosexuals who were not making their sexual pleasure the main goal of their life activity, such as Tchaikovsky, Wild, Lorca, and others, when, I repeat, certain homosexuals become rabid radical activists trying to convert the entire society into their mode of life (like proposing homosexual education in lowest grades of public schools, homosexual marriages and adopting kids, etc.), then such ativity should meet a strong social resistance.

        You want your personal sexual pleasure in your bed? Go ahead. I don’t care what you do in your bed.
        But please don’t put my kids in your bed.

  4. September 2, 2009 12:43 pm

    David, I am not sure what your “Thus my working all day for the Freedom Center supports death because my focusing on it prevents me from procreating with my wife all day long” following my “Anything that is against reproduction supports Death” is a sign of…

    A sign of… is it possible?

    Up till now, I thought you are a lot more intelligent. Sorry for my confusion.

    • September 2, 2009 1:09 pm

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Troll

      • September 2, 2009 1:25 pm

        Again, I thought you are a lot more intelligent, David.
        You disappoint me so much that I refuse to continue talking with you.
        Your stances don’t show any honest and real arguments.
        Calling me (well, suggesting, to be precise) “a troll” is next to a clinical case of dementia.
        Faugh!

      • September 2, 2009 1:30 pm

        That you don’t think I’m intelligent is about as strong a compliment I could hope for. If you did think I was intelligent then perhaps I’d have reason to worry.

        When the True Believer so-called “Conservatives” are insulting me as stupid and crazy then I know I’m doing my job right.

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