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From the Pen of David Horowitz: September 17, 2009

September 17, 2009


The two Americas that matter in the war on terror are not those of rich and poor, or even of the blue states and the red. In cherishing a nation that offers more opportunity and freedom to its citizens both rich and poor or right and left than any other, these Americans are still fundamentally united. The two Americas that matter in the decisions ahead are an America that embraces its heritage and purposes, and an America that has seceded from both.

The secessionists are persuaded that America is the adversary of what is decent and good in the world, that its heritage is one of inequality and injustice, and that its purposes are expressed in an arrogant will to dominate and oppress. They believe that America is the root cause of the forces who assault it and that its adversaries are actually its victims. Consequently, the secessionists want to make a separate peace with America’s enemies, even in the midst of a war on terror in which the enemy has condemned every American — regardless of race, gender, age or creed — to death. They want to disown the courageous and generous acts of their own government in defending the powerless against oppressive regimes like the Taliban or tyrants like Saddam Hussein. In conducting their internal war against America’s war on terror, they reveal a loathing — which is really a self-loathing — for their country and its citizens.

Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left

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  1. solemnman permalink
    September 17, 2009 3:12 am

    Unfortunately-msnbc is not alone.What are the figures if you add on the other Pollyanna liberal cable outlets :abc ,cbs ,bbc ,sky and 24 hours france .BBC, alone, reaches 150,000,000 listeners to it’s world service radio: and then there are all the professors !!!
    There is still a mountain to climb.

  2. drbc permalink
    September 17, 2009 10:03 am

    What will it take?
    What will it take for America to realize the country once known for God, country, and apple pie is being replaced by a godless, universally socialistic and monarchisticly ruled country, being fed the universal food of the poor – rice.

    What will it take for America to realize the country we once loved is no longer loving us back?

    What will it take for America to realize the take over of our religious heritage by intolerant atheist and those who would kill in the name of their religion is being allowed this very day?

    What will it take?
    Maybe, just maybe, once people realize that the USSA, (United Socialists States of America), is now upon us and the godlessness of our leaders is an ‘obamanation’ to God of the Bible our country, the USA, United States of America as intended by the fathers of our nation, will be re-formed once again as ‘One nation under God.’

    GOD Bless the USA!
    (God can not bless the USSA nor the USA if He is not represented by the leadership of the either country!)

    • Swemson permalink
      September 17, 2009 5:41 pm

      It’s a shame that you can’t see that all your bible thumping is one of the primary causes of our current crisis.

      Here we are in the middle of the biggest threat we’ve ever faced, from millions of barbarous religious fanatics from the 7th century who believe that their god demands that they kill us… and all people like you can do is carry on about “our” god, and the idea that we’re in this mess because we abandoned him…

      I have no problem with whatever it is you believe in, just keep it to yourself !

      There are millions of honest, rational and productive people in this country, who vote for democrats like Obama, because they are scared to death of religious nut cases like you who seem to think that a couple of gays getting married is a bigger threat to our nation than terrorism or communism…

      If a gay marriage freaks you out that much, then DON’T GO TO THE DAMNED WEDDING… because when you DO talk about it in the political arena, you make it clear to a great many of us that you wouldn’t hesitate for one second to force your religious beliefs down everyone’s throats if you could get away with it…. And that makes you only slightly less dangerous than the Islamo-fascists to the most rational among us.

      Your reference to “intolerant atheist(s)” also proves how out of touch with reality you are… you don’t even know what atheism really is. Like most bible thumpers you see atheists as a threat because in your mind you assume that atheists “believe” there is no such thing as god, and that just drives you nuts… Atheists don’t claim that god DOES NOT exist. Trying to prove that an all powerful, all knowing, invisible being does not exist is the only thing more insane than trying to prove that one does. Atheists simply say that they have never seen any evidence to indicate that a god exists. There’s only one legitimate definition of god to most atheists. “god is the first uncaused cause” think about it for a moment…

      You shouldn’t fear us, because we’re not trying to tell you how to live… why would we ? If all of my fellow citizens lived and behaved according to the judeo Christian code of values and morality, we wouldn’t need to lock our doors, there would be no crime, we’d live in peace. Instead it is you who try to tell us how to live.

      More murder, misery and mayhem has been inflicted on mankind in the name of god than by any other single idea…

      So give it a rest already, and let’s keep the debate focused on the important things, like defending our nation, and enhancing rather than destroying our prosperity… If you still want to carry on about values, then let’s focus on American rather than christian ones, like self reliance, hard work and integrity.

      • drbc permalink
        September 17, 2009 6:46 pm

        As usual those who would destroy the foundation of America, God of the Bible, forget that once the foundation is eroded, defeat and destruction of our country is inevitable. It was only when past empires eliminated morality and values that they found themselves destructible. History does indeed repeat itself. To sweep Biblical based values under the proverbial rug as historical revisionist would attempt to do, is to turn a blind eye to the successful future of any country, including the USA. If calling someone names is the best one can do, perhaps today would be a good day to re-read not only the constitution of these United States: read the Declaration of Independence as well!
        GOD Bless America – Assuming our leaders will re-turn to Him!
        God will not bless a country where HE is not wanted!

        • Swemson permalink
          September 17, 2009 7:07 pm

          Try rereading what I just wrote with an open mind….. if you have one.

          Nowhere did I suggest anything about changing our values or sweeping them under the rug…

          All I said was that you bible thumping loons need to stop trying to legislate your values upon everyone…

          You can’t pass laws that will change what’s in a person’s heart or soul…

          The true foundation of our country is the concept of individual freedom, liberty and personal responsibility, not scripture… and hard as it is for you to take, that means that many of us are also free to NOT believe in your silly fairy tales…

          I’m not suggesting that you change what you believe or the values & principals of the vast majority of Americans who are motivated by Judeo-Christian principals.. As I said above, I’d love it if all of my neighbors lived by the same principals…

          What makes me sick, is that nasty self superior look you give me because I’m mowing the grass on Sunday morning instead of following you to church. Believe it or not, but if the religious right could stop their caterwauling about god, gay marriage & abortion, a sufficient number of “liberal” voters would have voted for McCain, and our country would not be in the middle of the constitutional crisis that’s threatening YOUR religious freedoms far more than godless atheists like me !

  3. drbc permalink
    September 17, 2009 1:17 pm

    Just a reminder on this “Constitution Day’
    Section 3.

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

  4. September 18, 2009 3:40 am

    Swemson, your logic is so twisted, it makes me laugh. It’s twisted because it is based on a false premise: That “bible thumpers” or the “religious right” are trying to legislate their own values in order to force them down your throat. Your evidence: your own perception that churchgoers give you dirty looks as you mow your lawn on Sunday morning.

    As point of fact: gays, abortion activists and self-described atheists are trying to force their views and values on the rest of society, not through legislation, though recent attempts have been made, but primarily by decree of the courts.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 18, 2009 9:39 am

      Bobbi writes:

      “As point of fact: gays, abortion activists and self-described atheists are trying to force their views and values on the rest of society,”

      How so ?

      – Has anyone even asked you to try being homosexual ?
      – Has anyone ever suggested that you should abort a pregnancy in your family ?
      – And when was the last time an Atheist tried to prevent you from going to church ?

      You’re the one who’s logic is twisted.

      The gay marriage debate is of course being driven by the gays… But they’re not fighting to create a new law that affects everyone, they’re trying to change a law that already allows you to control them and to discriminate against them… In fact where the hell do you get the right to even talk about something that’s NONE OF YOUR DAMNED BUSINESS ?

      You want to be free to live your life the way you want to… right ? So why the hell are you trying to create laws to force others to live according to YOUR religious beliefs… It doesn’t affect you, so leave those poor people alone… Isn’t compassion supposed to be a christian value ?

      I hear this claptrap all the time from the Fox religious police (O’Reilly, Hannity, Ingrahm etc.) and it’s just disgusting. What ever happened to “live and let live” If going through that silly ceremony makes them feel a bit more normal, & feel a little better about themselves, THEN HOW THE HELL DOES THAT AFFECT YOU ?..

      And the religious right is certainly driving the abortion debate.. & trying to restrict what free citizens can do under our laws because it offends THEIR religious beliefs… Where the hell do you get the right to tell other people what to when it comes to their own bodies… IT’S NONE OF YOUR DAMNED BUSINESS !

      I hear this claptrap all the time from the Fox religious police (O’Reilly, Hannity, Ingrahm etc.) and it’s just disgusting. What ever happened to “live and let live” If going through that silly ceremony makes those people feel a little better about themselves, THEN HOW THE HELL DOES THAT AFFECT YOU ?

      But why did you avoided my main point? I said that MANY people who voted for Obama did so because all of your constant ramblings about your god, and why we should have laws to force god’s teachings upon all of us, simply scares the crap out of them… A couple of years ago, in Dover PA, a bunch of bible thumping loons tried to force their local Bd of Education to mandate the teaching of creationism (they call it Intelligent design these days) alongside evolution in high school biology classes.

      So tell me… who’s trying to force their values on whom ?

      Imagine a peaceful society, where everyone is free to worship (or not) as they pleased, where everyone was respectful of his neighbors, where everyone with ambition and the desire to better themselves was free to become prosperous without having to worry about a criminal government confiscating a huge % of their earnings, or a cowardly government that isn’t capable of defending us against the REAL enemies that we face..

      What’s so terrible about that scenario ?

      Wouldn’t you prefer to live in that world, than in Obama’s communist utopia ?

      Because all we have to do to get there, is to follow George Carlin’s new commandment:

      “Keep thine religion to thine self”

  5. Donald DaCosta permalink
    September 18, 2009 10:33 am

    Before I respond let me put on my invisible suit of armor.

    I am an atheist; i.e., somebody who does not believe in God or deities. Swemson, you are an agnostic; i.e., somebody denying God’s existence is provable. A semantic distinction but one none the less. I have not looked up the statistics but I believe that would put us in the minority.

    But the beautiful thing about America is that while the Founding Fathers had a strong belief in God and wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution largely based on Christian principles they also clearly supported freedom of religion. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” part of the first sentence of the first amendment to the Constitution.

    That means all Americans have the right to believe in God…..or not. Whoever does not accept that is denying the very concept of what it means to be a citizen of this once great nation.

    Yes, there are extremist on all sides of the religious spectrum, the folks called Bible thumpers or Godless perverts but, in my less than worldly experience, it is my opinion that neither of those come anywhere close to main stream America and when good people on both ends of the spectrum begin denigrating entire groups because of the widely publicized and extreme actions of the very few, sometimes only one, we get the kind of bickering among us that has become disturbingly commonplace.

    As an atheist I, for one, hold no animosity towards any religion founded on the golden rule; do unto others as you would have others do unto you. I respect the right of anyone to embrace a belief based on faith alone, an exercise that has eluded me despite sporadic attempts all of which ended in disappointment, frustration, and finally a decision that quietly accepting my inability to “acquire” faith was preferable to being a hypocrite.

    As an atheist it bothers me not at all that our children use the words “under God” when reciting the pledge or that our currency contains the words, “in God we trust” and Christmas and Easter are holidays that I enjoy with friends and family who, to the best of my knowledge, are Christian, some more so than others. I even find myself occasionally saying, “thank God” so I guess I’m not an orthodox atheist.

    But what’s the point? The point is that Americans are wasting a lot of energy bickering among themselves while the real enemies that threaten our existence wait like vultures circling overhead to devour our self destructing carcass.

    The people who intend to “remake America” don’t like what America is or stands for. Obama has said that the Constitution is a flawed document that says only what the Government cannot do and not what it can and, in his view, should be doing; thus repudiating one of the keystones of our Republic…….limited Government. Label this whatever system of government you choose but it should concern, if not frighten, everyone who remain proud to call themselves American.

    But that’s only part of the story. There is another equally insidious threat to America and, in fact, the world. This one is difficult to accept or acknowledge in the West because of our belief in freedom of religion and tolerance for any doctrine built around a belief in one “God,” especially one with 1.2 billion members; namely Islam.

    There are three disturbing aspects to this religion. First, it is not just a religion but a master blueprint defining a religious, social, judicial and political system. Second, it neither accepts nor tolerates any other theists or atheists….none, period. Third, it sanctions Taqiyya, “a dispensation allowing believers to conceal their faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion.” In other words lying about their true intentions is not only not a sin it is a religious duty. This is the “religion” of Islam.

    To end this “tome” the Islamic extremists now have a President in the country that they consider “the Great Satan” who is either clueless to their true intentions or, perhaps worse for us, colluding with them to turn America into a Muslim country, replace our Constitution with Sharia law, require all unbelievers to convert to Islam, submit to Dhimmitude (complete subservience) or be killed. That’s not an exaggeration it’s a fact.

    Bickering and pointing fingers at each other serves their purposes well and while our freedom of religion remains of paramount importance in our Republic one must be careful how one defines religion. Judeo/Christian, Hindu, Buddhists, Agnostics, Atheists, etc. need to unite, as Americans, against this threat or that freedom will be forcibly or surreptitiously taken away.

    So stop the bickering folks, exercise tolerance where it’s appropriate and open your eyes to an exceedingly more dangerous threat than your neighbor mowing his lawn, or off to church clutching his bible, on Sunday morning.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 18, 2009 11:38 am

      I’m really not sure if we’re on the same side or not…

      You seem the think that my problem with the bible thumpers is playing into the hands of our two biggest enemies, Islam and our radical far left government…

      I think that our current strategy of appeasement and apologizing to everyone is far more valuable to Islam, then any disputes we may have over religious issues…

      I think you’re missing my point however, about the role that the religious right plays in ensuring that the liberal democrats remain in power.

      In the late 1700’s I’m guessing that over 98% of Americans were adherents to the judeo-christian heritage of moral and ethical rules. Today, estimates of Americans who have no religious beliefs at all range from 15% up to 35% +++

      The fact is, that those beliefs which are so important to religious people, simply aren’t important to a big % of our population today…

      I agree with your comment:

      “As an atheist I, for one, hold no animosity towards any religion founded on the golden rule; do unto others as you would have others do unto you. I respect the right of anyone to embrace a belief based on faith alone, an exercise that has eluded me despite sporadic attempts all of which ended in disappointment, frustration, and finally a decision that quietly accepting my inability to “acquire” faith was preferable to being a hypocrite.”

      …with the only distinction being that I didn’t try as hard as you did to embrace any kind of faith… I read Atlas Shrugged in the late 50’s, so I’ve known all along that faith is the opposite of reason…

      You say that I’m not an atheist because “I deny that the existence of god can be proven”… That’s not really what I meant (although I’ll put big money on the bet that such proof will never emerge)… To me, I’m an atheist because I’ve never see one iota of evidence that a god does exist.. & that anyone asking me to prove that god doesn’t exist is silly, because by definition, there’s no way that I can prove that something that I have no reason to believe exists….. doesn’t exist.

      In fact as Richard Dawkins said, we’re all atheists about most of the gods that man has ever believed in (thor, zeus, etc.), it’s just that some of us take it one god further…

      To my way of understanding it, the word agnostic refers to someone who simply isn’t sure about the existence of a god…. i.e one who has seen SOME evidence, but not enough to prove it to him one way or the other. I’ve never seen any, which makes me an atheist, not an agnostic…

      It’s true that laws based on religious beliefs about issues like gay marriage offend me, but like you, I have no problem with leaving in god we trust over the courthouse door… it’s an historically accurate sentiment based on the social norms of our founding fathers..

      On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with removing those symbols from government buildings if doing so will help keep the Obamas of this world out of our lives… And I do have a problem with a public school indoctrinating young children with any ideas even remotely related to religion.

      My ONLY concern right now however, is how we can protect this magnificent nation of ours against the 2 big threats we’re facing, Obama and Islam. And I’m so terrified of both, that I think we MUST keep all of our options open, and that if removing the public trappings and debates over religious issues from the political debate, has any chance of bringing a decent number of democrats over to our side of the politico-economic debate, then it’s absolutely worth separating our church from our state just a little a bit more… and I fail to see why religious people consider that to be such a threat to them…

  6. Donald DaCosta permalink
    September 18, 2009 1:00 pm


    I thought I was long winded! Thanks for your lengthy reply. It was not my intention to offend you or anyone else on here but often times there’s a disconnect between the written word and what the writer is attempting to say. I think we’re pretty much on the same page but if we never meet face to face we’ll never know for sure. For me that’s O.K. and I wish you the best.

  7. September 18, 2009 8:14 pm

    That’s the beauty of capitalism. The producer and consumer of goods
    involve millions of people acting on their self-interest. These
    millions don’t care about the religion or lack thereof of those
    they are doing transactions with.
    Milton Friedman, in his book, “Capitalism And Freedom” refers to
    an essay entitled, “I Pencil.” You should read it sometime. You
    could probably google it and get the main text.
    There’s no one who could produce a pencil by himself. We rely on
    an array of so many different industries(wood,paint,metal,rubber)
    represented by so many people from so many different countries and
    cultures to produce this one item, no one cares, it would be futile
    to make an issue of what religion each person belonged to.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 18, 2009 9:56 pm

      Well said !

  8. drbc permalink
    September 19, 2009 7:50 am

    Well short of well said.
    It is not the pencil nor the many cultures which make the pencil that is destroying our country. It is this type of deflection strategy which seeks to avoid the truth of our heritage.

    Remember that it is not the point of the pencil that erases the foundation of our nation – it is the eraser. The lead in the pencil is used to write either the truth or lies – that is the freedom we have in America. We can choose to keep America as the forefathers intended or one can manipulate history to fit their our own individual, materialistic, socialistic, and destructive agenda.

    May GOD be invited back into the America who’s slogan is “In GOD we trust!”

    Have a blessed day…

  9. September 19, 2009 2:31 pm

    You still don’t get the point(ok pun intended). If our Founding Father’s would have
    argued about every jot and tittle regarding what they believed, we would have never
    produced a Declaration of Independence, much less a Constitution, that’s supposed
    to guarantee us our rights, and protect us from an ever encroaching govt.

    • September 19, 2009 2:46 pm

      Actually the way we got the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution is through arguing over every jot and title about what they believed. It took years of argument to develop these documents. Heck, it took years of argument to decide to declare independence.

  10. September 19, 2009 8:46 pm

    Looks like you missed the point too(pun intended again). The subject was religion, and
    that’s what I meant by arguing about every jot and tittle in what they believe. Of course
    they argued about politics and economics, and many of their decisions were based on
    experience, and knowing about human nature, and their study of history. Although many arguments were given passionately, the key to those arguments were based on logic, reason, and rational thought. When you argue about religion, the above mentioned, most of the time
    goes out the window.

    • September 20, 2009 7:04 am

      My apologies. Good point.

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