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Chris Wallace Calls Administration “Crybabies” Trying to Control the Media

September 20, 2009

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It’s President Barack Obama versus Fox News.  The fight is on!

Obama did interviews (to be aired today) with five stations to discuss his health care plan.  For some reason, the President and his people snubbed Fox News.  They even did an interview on Univision, but not Fox. Clearly the administration doesn’t want to deal with Fox.

But why?  Is it because Fox has the highest ratings?  Is it because Fox News actually helps break real stories like 9/11 Truther Van Jones and the ACORN prostitution scandal that no one else on cable or network news covers?  Is it simply because they don’t like Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity?  Chris Wallace has an idea why:

They are the biggest bunch of crybabies I have dealt with in my 30 years in Washington.

Wallace pulls no punches in this interview about the subject matter.  He reveals that the Obama administration does all it can to twist and turn the media.  They whine and complain any time the news folks cover a story in a way they don’t like. It’s amazing that the President, who promised to be open and up front with the media, is, according to Wallace, “working the umps all the time.”  Wallace then points out, “I think it works with the others, it doesn’t work with me.”

I guess Helen Thomas had it right a few months ago (even a broken clock is right twice a day) when she called out White House spokesman Robert Gibbs for being more closed and controlling than any other previous administration: “I’m amazed at you people who call for openness and transparency and you control…it’s a pattern of controlling the press.”

Thomas, who has covered every U.S. President since JFK, later said:

Nixon didn’t try to do that.  They couldn’t control [the media]. They didn’t try.  What the hell do they think we are, puppets?  They’re supposed to stay out of our business. They are our public servants. We pay them.

The Obama administration has already found distinction in trying harder to control the media than any previous administration. If  Thomas and Fox News agree on something, it must be true.  When you consider that this administration’s policies are projected to increase the U.S. debt in the next ten years more than every previous administration COMBINED, I think it’s time for them to stop crying and start answering questions.

Speaking of questions, I have one or two that need to be answered.  Could these media-control efforts by the Obama administration be directly related to the non-coverage of Van Jones and ACORN by the mainstream media?  Did the administration at any point directly or indirectly try to get media outlets to not cover these stories?  Based on what we are hearing, these are questions that need responses.

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76 Comments
  1. Charlie permalink
    September 20, 2009 4:09 pm

    Chris Wallace is fair interviewer, too. I thought his Bertha Lewis (ACORN “Chief Organizer”) was fair and professional. It seems like Obama has completely written off Fox News.

    You know what, given how easy it is to find good analysis these days using the internet, I’m fine with that. President Obama, you can’t hide from voters.

  2. pbrauer permalink
    September 20, 2009 4:23 pm

    The way I see it, the FOX network (not FNC), was the only one of the major networks that snubbed recent speeches by Obama, they had better things to do. It’s payback time folks and all FNC can do is whine about it. Screech, screech…

    • Paul Cooper permalink
      September 20, 2009 5:39 pm

      That sounds like a very mature reason to snub them. I hope they are bigger than that petty attitude.

      • September 21, 2009 7:11 am

        Don’t hold your breath waiting for any evidence to back your hope!

    • Prudent Man, CFA permalink
      September 21, 2009 6:43 am

      GE MUST DIVIST NBC

      Because of the magnitude of their government contracts and the government bailout of it Credit Unit, General Electric must divest itself of of NBC and all of NBC’s affiliates as NBC is no longer an independent news organization. It is, basically, and organization dependent upon the Federal Government for it continued existence and is not, obviously, and cannot be an objective purveyor of the news and hold itself out to the the citizens of the world as being one.

      GE would not be able to remain in existence without the diversion of U.S. Taxpayer Money to it by politicians. Therefore in order to continue to survive their “news” operations must slant the “news”, which is evident, in favor of their political saviors and in support of those politicians’ agenda.

      • Prudent Man, CFA permalink
        September 21, 2009 6:44 am

        That’s “Divest”. Sorry for the lack of editing.

    • Prudent Man, CFA permalink
      September 21, 2009 8:23 am

      You forget that ABC, NBC and CBS snubbed Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush speeches and appearances. By your theory, the media is an arm of the Administration and should, like in Cuba and Venezuela, provide an open mike to BHO anytime he wants even when he never adds substance to the debate. As one who no longer listens to the disingenuous man I applaud FOX for an outlet for those who fight succumbing to Obotomy.

      Considering that NBC, through GE’s government contracts and GE Credit’s bailouts, is already seated in the White House, possible all of them should file as PACs. As it is questionable as to NBC, ABC, CNN or CBS being profitable they wouldn’t have to go through the bother of filing for “non-profit” tax status. They may as well merge into NPR and NPTV with the hypocritical Bill Moyers as CEO.

  3. September 20, 2009 4:39 pm

    It’s an interesting time, because I sincerely think “journalism” is dead. The reasons why aren’t rocket science either.

    Journalism graduates were never the sharpest tools in the shed, and the smart, funny or genuinely erudite writers were always just coopted into writing op ed or even news stories by papers and then later radio and television anyway.

    This cream at the top disguised the intellectual and moral bankruptcy that has been the real legacy of the mass media for the whole of its existence. For every tiny handful of ethical people doing a hard-hitting job there’s the legion of packed lunch D-students crawling into each generation of communications and journalism classes because a civil society literally has nowhere else to put dumb sociopaths. If they were smarter they’d be politicians and if they were more money hungry they’d be bankers.

    This explains the emotional resonance that finance, politics and journalism has between the members of each of the three chumbuckets- the psychology of the three groups is quite similar, only their abilities vary. They aspire to be each other and never look around at the rest of the human race, except to sneer, exploit or attempt mind control.

    • The Inquisitor permalink
      September 21, 2009 9:52 am

      Joe Namath was being ribbed for taking crib courses at Alabama when one of them asked him what he majored in. He said, “I started out in Basket Weaving, but that was too hard. So I majored in Journalism instead.”

  4. Paul Cooper permalink
    September 20, 2009 5:40 pm

    By the way, the President is even doing an interview with Letterman on Monday. He really does only like to be interviewed by those who love him and let him slide with anything.

    • Prudent Man, CFA permalink
      September 21, 2009 6:52 am

      A drowning man grabs on to anything. Evidently NBC, CBS, CNN and ABC don’t mind being pimps for socialism. The irony is that the first thing the collectivists want to control is the media so goodbye those fat salaries and benefits and hello to Socialized Medicine for the executives, their staffs and families.

      Talk about short-sighted and ignorant to reality while shooting themselves in the feet while making moral and ethical, let alone financial, fools of themselves.

      How fast will the collectivists dump these phonies once they have squeezed them dry? Power is to maintain power.

  5. Beau Bailey permalink
    September 20, 2009 5:55 pm

    One would think if he really wanted to talk to the most people and bring people together he would go on the network with the most viewers. FNC has 5 times the number of viewers as the other networks combined. To me it sounds like he is preaching to the choir, literately. I would not call any network that did not cover the Van Jones story or the ACORN story a viable news network. It seems to me that if you look up the definition of petty you would find the Obama Administration pictured there. I’ve always been told that less is more, seems like this is something he has yet to learn. When you have more speeches given than days in office, this is a problem and i don’t blame networks for not covering his every word. In the shape the economy is in, I’m sure they need every dime from advertisement. They haven’t received a bailout yet but there is always tomorrow I guess. Good article/blog Paul.

    • Paul Cooper permalink
      September 20, 2009 6:45 pm

      Thanks Beau!

  6. Cas Balicki permalink
    September 20, 2009 5:59 pm

    Been sayin’ since the ‘lection campaign, this is the first affirmative action presidency in the history of the world.

    Now let me add, Obama is an empty suit, who can’t take the heat. If he had to face for an hour the vitriol and abuse heaped on George Bush or Ronald Reagan or for that matter Dick Cheney, he’d collapse like the house of cards his administration will eventually prove itself to be.

    Then again, that’s what you get when your top advisors are flimflam ad men and commie aparatchiks whose only problem is they can’t elect a new people.

    • Joseph Cottrell permalink
      September 21, 2009 12:47 pm

      Obama is NOT an empty suit – he’s a perfectly good suit filled with an empty person.

  7. Mike Mansfield permalink
    September 20, 2009 11:25 pm

    The reason why Obama won’t appear on Fox News is because Fox News generally doesn’t let real debate and discussion occur. Even though I like Chris Wallace, sometimes the words out of his mouth astound me in their lack of fairness.

    There are far more Baptist ministers doing something you’d be surprised about right now than ACORN folk in all probability; and there were certainly more Catholic Priest Pedophiles than ACORN. I haven’t heard anybody on the right or the left that believe we should quit funding any social programs at any churches because of that.

    Van Jones didn’t do anything to deserve to be kicked out of the president’s team; but he is gone to reduce the damage Fox was trying to do to him. (And yes, it was almost all from Fox.)

    Meanwhile 45,000 people per year die because of lack of health care. There is NO provision to provide for abortions in the bill; BUT we are way down the list in infant mortality which means babies are ending up dead AFTER they are born. The “conservative’ movement doesn’t seem to care about babies after they are born. (I know that’s a generalization; but Fox News and Rush Limbaugh tell outright lies so often I don’t see how anyone can take them seriously.

    Rush believes we need to return to busing with Negroes and Caucasians bussed separately.

    Also Fox was the biggest cheerleader for killing Iraqis for no real reason. I’m basing that on George W. Bush’s admission of that, since the original reason was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

    Even the so-called liberal networks are quite able to promote the corporatist structure that no one really wants if they think about it.

    If I were President (which I could never be because I couldn’t keep from telling truth even when I didn’t have to tell it.) I wouldn’t consider being on Fox.

    • September 21, 2009 2:49 am

      Let’s see pedo’s in the chuch bad -communists in the White House good hmmm

      • Mik permalink
        September 21, 2009 5:58 am

        Sir

        I know Mike Mansfield. Mike Mansfield was a friend of mine, and you sir are no Mike Mansfield.

        Where have all the real Democrats gone?

        • Mike Mansfield permalink
          September 21, 2009 11:02 pm

          No. I really AM Mike Mansfield; and you sir are no Mike Mansfield.

        • Mike Mansfield permalink
          September 21, 2009 11:02 pm

          And that you are no Mike Mansfield is probably to your loss.

    • Beau Bailey permalink
      September 21, 2009 6:11 am

      Mike, I’m going to take your argument apart one by one. You have so many false statements and out right lies that I think you need to stop drinking the Kool-Aide and start doing your own research as a whole.

      “There are far more Baptist ministers doing something you’d be surprised about right now than ACORN folk in all probability; and there were certainly more Catholic Priest Pedophiles than ACORN.” The first part of this sentence is complete speculation, you have no proof of this but yet you feel compelled to state it. Second, the last I checked no Baptist or Catholic churches are about to receive 8.3 billion dollars in Federal money, i.e. mine and yours tax money.

      “Van Jones didn’t do anything to deserve to be kicked out of the president’s team; but he is gone to reduce the damage Fox was trying to do to him. (And yes, it was almost all from Fox.)” – So I guess being a communist and a racist towards white people are ok. And just because Fox did the work any journalist should of done they are the bad guys?

      “Meanwhile 45,000 people per year die because of lack of health care. There is NO provision to provide for abortions in the bill; BUT we are way down the list in infant mortality which means babies are ending up dead AFTER they are born. The “conservative’ movement doesn’t seem to care about babies after they are born. (I know that’s a generalization; but Fox News and Rush Limbaugh tell outright lies so often I don’t see how anyone can take them seriously.” Have you read the whole 1,000 page bill to know what is and is not in there, I seriously doubt it. Again you add a generalization when you really don’t know what you are talking about. Why not do a little research and find out who (conservatives or liberals) have the most charitable donations and where those donations go to. As for the outright lies, I’m sure CNN and MSNBC never lie, they are always truthful. In case you missed it, that was me being sarcastic. The same way Rush was being when he said we needed to return to busing kids separately. I’m sure you would have known this if you would of taken the time and actually heard what he said instead of being told what he said. Again, this goes back to do your own research.

      “Also Fox was the biggest cheerleader for killing Iraqis for no real reason. I’m basing that on George W. Bush’s admission of that, since the original reason was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.” Being a veteran of the war in both Iraq and Afghanistan I can assure you that we weren’t “killing Iraqis for no real reason”, I’m sure had you lived under both the Taliban and Saddam Huessien (sp) you would be thrilled to see U.S. service members coming to your rescue. As far as Fox standing behind us (service members) that is all we ask for. Yes there are bad seeds among us but the good far out weighs the bad. On the original reason to going to war, let me ask you a question. If you had something you weren’t suppose to have and the police kept saying, “On this day we are coming in to get it”, would you keep it in your house or would you find somewhere else to hide it? Just a question.

      “Even the so-called liberal networks are quite able to promote the corporatist structure that no one really wants if they think about it.” I’m not really for sure what you are trying to state here, this seems to be an incomplete thought.

      “If I were President (which I could never be because I couldn’t keep from telling truth even when I didn’t have to tell it.) I wouldn’t consider being on Fox.” I thought the President was suppose to be the President of the People? If most those people watch Fox and he isn’t willing to go on, then that tells me that he doesn’t care about most those people and will only talk to those he knows won’t push him. That is SAD. Say what you will about President Bush but he went on all the networks and didn’t blacklist anyone.

      • Julie Trevor permalink
        September 21, 2009 6:24 am

        Beau, I really hope Mike takes your advice, you spent a bit of time in your discussion. When I was reading Mike’s comments, I was a bit sad because he like so many people in this country don’t do the research, to question their own conclusions and quite often lay open their brains to infusion of one ideology or another without question…simply because that’s what the “feel good” answer is.

        Julie

        • Beau Bailey permalink
          September 21, 2009 7:37 am

          Julie- Thanks for the comments, I’m sure he won’t take my advice but instead tell me that I don’t know what I’m talking about and call me a racist. That seems to be the M.O. now a days, if someone questions anything about the president call them a racist and you won’t have to refute the facts. I guess what kills me is the argument that “45,000” died last year without health insurance. Last I heard there is about 330 million Americans, 45,000 computes to less than .2 percent of the population. Now when I was in school if you got a 99.8% on a paper or test you were doing well. My next question would be how many of those would have died even if they did have insurance. When God calls you home, He doesn’t care if you have insurance or not.

          • Mike Mansfield permalink
            September 21, 2009 11:38 pm

            Well, Beau, since you have the statistics all figured out, you better hope YOU are not in the 0.2% who die without insurance. Unless there is insurance reform that is a very real possibility. You see just because you are now young, if you are, or because you have a job or the money to pay for insurance does not mean you’ll have it when you need it. Reform is a necessity; and if you don’t realize that then you are too stupid to have served in the military so I know that can’t be true.

            If you actually do NOT believe reform is a necessity, then start reading the outline of that 1,000 page bill or go to some of the sites that show it broken down into pieces. It is a boring read overall; but I believe about 99% of what you read or hear about health care reform is false…even on the so-called liberal networks.

            • Julie Trevor permalink
              September 22, 2009 12:04 am

              Not to but in here rudely Mike, but you have twice mentioned people dying without health insurance as if that is the cause of death. I’d be interested in knowing your source i.e. if an actual study was done what peer-reviewed journal was it published in
              Julie

        • Mike Mansfield permalink
          September 21, 2009 11:35 pm

          I do my own research, Julie; but I don’t just use Fox News or its allies, nor do I just use the other corporatist media like NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, and MSNBC.

          Even PBS sometimes leans to the right rather than the middle or left.

          • Julie Trevor permalink
            September 22, 2009 12:01 am

            Mike, you’ve listed some very odd sources of “research”, I would hope you get beyond the TV.
            Julie

      • Mike Mansfield permalink
        September 21, 2009 11:19 pm

        Next time you reply, please post my stuff in separate paragraphs so I can tell the difference more easily. That just took more time.

        First of all, the only reason what you say is speculation IS speculation is because I only know about the Baptist preachers (and Methodists, etc., too) through anecdotal evidence. They try to keep those things as quiet as possible, you know.

        But with the Catholic Church we KNOW that hundreds of priests abused thousands of children yet we continue to fund Catholic charities, etc. I do not know the total amount; but I do know that is is large. Besides that the question isn’t whether ACORN is being treated unfairly, because that is obvious. If ACORN were a Republican outfit we wouldn’t have heard about it from Fox, except in their defense of ACORN. That is a fact; but I cannot prove it. I have no doubt about it, though. (BTW, I watch a fair amount of Fox because I want to see what lies they are telling and how they are slanting the truth otherwise.)

        First of all racism against white people is a virtual impossibility in the USA. We are a white corporatist dominated society. (I should have included male in that.) You are using a new definition for racism that the Republicans invented in recent years to make it sound like “those poor, poor white people. They spent no time as slaves & didn’t get their land taken away from them during reconstruction or repaid for their work as slaves” but they should not be criticized or it is racism. That is pure bull. There is absolutely zero doubt that a fair amount, maybe not most, but a fair amount of the anger directed at Obama would not have been directed against a white, male Democrat president. Have your read the racist signs, so many of them, that were at the so-called Tea Party?

        Second, Van Jones is not a Communist; and, even if he were that is no reason to keep him from serving in the government of the USA unless there is some law that you can’t have certain beliefs. Just because Jones was involved with thoughts about Communism doesn’t make him a threat in any way. But Fox has done its job—get rid of a great person because they slammed him. You also didn’t hear anything on Fox about the fact that ACORN filed a police report about at least one of these incidents. I don’t think you’d want to blame your Church or its pastor for a stupid, even corrupt act, much less do away with support for the whole denominations; but that is essentially what happened.

        Now, about the legislation: First of all there is no complete legislation; but the legislation Obama was talking about was HB 3200. (And for you I can ask if you have read all 1000+ pages of it.) There is specific language about not including abortions with public money. They have since gone back into the legislation and tried to make it even more specific; but I still hear garbage that isn’t true about it.

        What in the world do charitable donations have to do with any of this? Some conservatives donate more than others. Some liberals donate more than others. PERIOD. Some can afford to donate and others cannot. I have no certain idea what point you’re trying to make here, though.

        Back to the healthcare issue: Why would you, if you are really pro life, which I doubt, want more babies to die because of the way our health care works in the USA? We have the thirty-seventh worst health care in the developed world and are the only one without universal health care. That certainly doesn’t speak well of the USA since we also spend nearly 50% more for our healthcare than they do.

        Iraq was never under Taliban control; and yet BUSH sent you and others into a country with no WMD and thousands of our soldiers and at least tens of thousands of Iraqis were killed in the process. Read George W. Bush’s lips: THERE WERE NO WMD IN IRAQ. So he made up other reasons to violate both international law and just war theory, the latter of which has been around for nearly 2000 years. For you to believe otherwise means that you have either been conned or unread. There were NEVER WMD in Iraq, period.

        Let me ask you a question: If you wanted to go to war to get even for the threat against your Daddy, would you make up a reason if you could? If you wanted to get oil from that country, would you lie about a reason if there weren’t one? Sure you would; and that is exactly what BUSH has admitted to doing. Iraq had nothing to do with the Taliban (in fact they were enemies), nothing to do with Al Quada. And no, the majority of the people of Iraq did not apparently see us as liberators that way or they wouldn’t have been trying to kill us off after Saddam was dead. They saw us as people who had already killed bunches of their relatives and friends simply because they lived near places that were considered strategic. That’s what happens in war, of course. Next time we better do better than to break International Law and violate The Just War Theory.

        The way Rush pontificates there is literally no way to tell when he is joking because most everything he says is a joke to me. In generally he really is a big, fat idiot; and when someone intelligent manages to get through to him he has a hard time responding to them. But, yes, I do listen to Rush frequently for as long as I can stomach him. He is a threat to your independence; but he still keeps blabbing away about how great he is; and the Republican Party leaders, many of whom know just how wrong he is, are afraid to confront him because he carries so much weight (sorry pun not intended) with the American public.

        I missed another thing about the war that I’ll respond to here. If the police came and I hid what I stole, my neighbor would still be angry that his apartment got shot up or his wife got killed in the conflict. Fox’s support was biased, again; and so was NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN in their failure to really investigate what was happening or report on the many things about which our nation should be really embarrassed. This does not make your service to our country any less worthwhile; but it does mean that you were just as duped as the congress folk and many Americans were. (BTW, I was writing blogs as early as 1992 against the war in Iraq before Bush decided to invade because it violated International Law and Just War Theory.)

        About the liberal media, which you said you don’t understand. Fox is not the only conservative, corporatist network. They all are. MSNBC comes closest to being liberal; but even it is far too conservative in reporting the news outside of some opinion slots. What I was talking about is that it isn’t truth that drives any of these networks but the corporations that own them and what is best for their business. If Rupert Murdoch could make more money by supporting the Democrat party Fox could easily be a liberal network. I thought the leap to NBC (and MSNBC, etc.) being supported by the government meant they changed for that reason to be silly since there has been no change there.

        Bush spent eight years trying not to be on anything that would challenge him to answer questions on his own. For the most part he succeeded. When he went to speak in Louisville the “free speech” zone was far from where Bush would actually be. People with signs opposing the war or anything else that would challenge Bush’s positions (that could be told) were unable to even be seen by Bush himself. Obama is the most open and honest president of my lifetime. He may end up not being a good president. I think he will; but I hadn’t judged Bush as being as awful as he was nine months into his presidency.

        • Paul Cooper permalink
          September 22, 2009 9:32 am

          Mike – Institutional Racism and Racism are two different things. Just because racism isn’t institutional doesn’t mean it is not racism.

        • Tom Trevor permalink
          September 22, 2009 5:51 pm

          Wow Mr IQ 2% you can’t even tell which post are directed where. What a genius.

          So to continue Julie’s question. Which peer reviewed articles? The 2% brain of Mike Mansfield is not peer reviewed.

    • Tom Trevor permalink
      September 21, 2009 10:26 am

      Mike, Mike,Mike: How many people die because of government health care? See for example cancer survival rates US vs Britain and Canada.

      http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-cancer-survival-rates-in-usa-better-than-europe-and-canada/
      It is particularly true for prostate cancer.

      Then Mike, you use a favorite liberal tactic and mention infant mortality rate, but you never taking to account the fact that many factors go into the infant mortality rate, beside how health care is paid for, if that is a factor at all. For example genetics plays a part in infant mortality. The US is much more heterogeneous than most other countries, so the genetic factor may be more pronounced in the U.S. In addition the U.S. measures infant mortality in a different way than many other countries.

      • Mike Mansfield permalink
        September 21, 2009 11:41 pm

        The cancer rates in the USA average as worse than the other countries. That is a fact. Some of the cancer cures are worse in other countries than they are here and vice versa. There is a very slight possibility that it is genetics; but generally “impure” genetics actually reduces problems, not increases them.

        That we have a horrible record with newborn deaths (not even including abortions) is not a good thing to see. Yet it is dominantly so-called conservatives who are fighting health care reform.

        • Tom Trevor permalink
          September 22, 2009 9:05 am

          Okay Mr 2% IQ, lets try this again. People may get cancer at a higher rate in the US (I would like a source for this claim), but that cannot be blamed on the heath care system. If it is true, it is due to environmental and genetic factors. However, once they get cancer the cure rate is higher in the US. That can be attributed to the health care system. People don’t magically get cured of cancer.

      • Julie Trevor permalink
        September 22, 2009 9:02 am

        Hey, welcome, nice name.
        Julie

        • Tom Trevor permalink
          September 22, 2009 1:49 pm

          Thank you I had it all my life.

    • Paul Cooper permalink
      September 21, 2009 2:11 pm

      Mike, the vast majority of pro-life conservatives I know support Crisis Pregnancy Centers which do more to help unplanned pregnancies both before AND AFTER birth than any than any other organization I know. It’s better not to comment on things you are uninformed about or someone might yell out, “You lie!!”

      • Mike Mansfield permalink
        September 21, 2009 11:43 pm

        I agree with you, Paul; but you didn’t apparently get my point.

        If anti-abortion people are going to be against health care reform they need a different reason as well. Babies DO die because of our poor health care system. That is a statistical fact. Things CAN be improved. Why wouldn’t you want them to improve?

        • Julie Trevor permalink
          September 22, 2009 12:21 am

          Mike said:
          “Babies DO die because of our poor health care system. That is a statistical fact. ”

          The fact is babies do die, both here and in other countries. To determine whether infant mortality is higher in one country and then pin a single causative factor like presence or absence of healthcare is nearly impossible and if you look at NIH & WHO numbers and tables, you’ll see why.

          First question is what is a viable baby? In this country any baby born will be given the chance to live even at very early gestation. Not so in other other countries i.e. India where if a baby doesn’t live a certain amount of time, it’s not counted as ever having been a viable birth or China where infanticide is a regular practice and not counted in the total number of infant deaths.

          In the US every birth is considered a viable birth.

          That you frame the bulk of your argument for bashing the US healthcare system on this one aspect of care delivery is really too silly to address except that I will repeat what I said earlier people in this country in general, and YOU specifically don’t do the research necessary to make informed statements let alone policy decisions.

          I call it fitsearch…you draw hour conclusion then search to find the data that fits = fitsearch.
          I suspect you mean well and if you want to have a conclusion to begin with for every “argument” you make, it might be a good idea to start with the premise that The Government IS NOT the answer…then look elsewhere for answers.
          Julie

        • In the know permalink
          September 22, 2009 7:37 am

          Mike,

          Since we are both members of MENSA, perhaps you could show us your statistical data to support such a conclusion?

        • Paul Cooper permalink
          September 22, 2009 9:33 am

          If you use lies or misinformation to make your point than I will always miss your point.

  8. Julie Trevor permalink
    September 21, 2009 5:48 am

    The reason President Obama didn’t appear on the network with the largest white audience is he is a “blancophobe” (my term).

    • Mike Mansfield permalink
      September 21, 2009 11:45 pm

      Fox does have a couple of token Negroes on their network, don’t they?

      The reason he doesn’t appear on Fox is because they shout people down with whom they don’t agree. It also doesn’t help that Fox has a lot of “gotcha” journalism that is not really journalism. BTW, Rachel Maddow does something very similar on MSNBC; but those who are “gotten” are conservatives, not liberals.

  9. carterthewriter permalink
    September 21, 2009 6:03 am

    When Helen Thomas get’s riled up, then people ought to pay attention because she does represent the way news was reported, not contrived as it is today.

    Excellent posting!

  10. Prudent Man, CFA permalink
    September 21, 2009 6:29 am

    GE Must Divest itself of NBC

    Because of the magnitude of their government contracts and the government bailout of it Credit Unit, General Electric must divest itself of of NBC and all of NBC’s affiliates as NBC is no longer an independent news organization. It is, basically, and organization dependent upon the Federal Government for it continued existence and is not, obviously, and cannot be an objective purveyor of the news and hold itself out to the the citizens of the world as being one.

    GE would not be able to remain in existence without the diversion of U.S. Taxpayer Money to it by politicians. Therefore in order to continue to survive their “news” operations must slant the “news”, which is evident, in favor of their political saviors and in support of those politicians’ agenda.

    • Mike Mansfield permalink
      September 21, 2009 11:46 pm

      I already responded to this. As long as GE makes a profit. That is their only goal.

  11. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 21, 2009 6:47 am

    Anyone with a brain know that Iraq had those weapons every inteligence service in the world knew it as well Bush simply waited to long messing around with the worthless UN. They have the photo imagies of dozens of truks heading into Stria with what they believe is the contraband. Saddam was given every oppertunity not to mention the fact that he repeatedly violated his own agreement after he surrendered and fired on Coalition planes. The ignorance of those that defend these monsters is stunning as well as that of nuts that have a childish grudge because FOX news Is practically the only real news network left.

    • Beau Bailey permalink
      September 21, 2009 6:55 am

      Well said. The only reason this isn’t reported because then it would give reason for the war and it would mean President Bush was right and that just can’t be said.

    • Julie Trevor permalink
      September 21, 2009 7:01 am

      Even Sadaam said he had them…at the time that the weapons inspectors were there, part of what they were to verify was Sadaam’s claim that he had disposed of 95% of them…they were never able to verify this but…

      what about the other 5%

      BTW – I only used a portion of my brain for that recall – LOL

    • Mike Mansfield permalink
      September 21, 2009 11:49 pm

      This person with a brain says that what BUSH reported was that he was wrong about WMD being there AFTER Saddam said he got rid of them because he did. I have not read of any evidence, even in conservative media, of the WMD going to Syria, though I have heard lots of rumors to that effect. As far as I know, though, that isn’t true.

      You know, if Bush had just “messed around with the UN” a little longer we might have 4,000+ more American soldiers alive. (That was meant to be an incendiary remark.)

  12. Tom Trevor permalink
    September 21, 2009 10:00 am

    If anything Chris Wallace is too liberal. I t did not think much of him when he was on local New York City News and he is not much better now

    • Mike Mansfield permalink
      September 21, 2009 11:50 pm

      If you think Chris Wallace is liberal then I’d hate to see what you consider to be conservative.

      • Tom Trevor permalink
        September 22, 2009 8:41 am

        I said “if anything”. I think he is fairly down the middle, but I think he asks harder questions of conservatives than liberals, I think this might be is because he is on Fox and wants to seen as “fair”. I admit that he also asks a few fairly hard questions of liberals, something they aren’t used to, so they act as if it an unfair attack to question their policy ideas.

        As for not liking him, the main reason is because I just don’t think he is very talented. He is no where near as talented as his father, (who BTW is a big liberal). If wasn’t for his father, and being at the right place at the right time at the 1980 Republican convention, I don’t think he would have gotten very far in the news business.

  13. Judy permalink
    September 21, 2009 1:29 pm

    Mike, Mike, Mike, you have my permission to make an appointment with a neuro-psychiatrist for a complete physical exam and CAT scan. There are treatments available for vacant cerebelum syndrome. They are making great strides in the transplation of accuracy,honesty,integrity in those afflicted by this horrible mind-robbing illness. Seek help Mike. We want the very best for your recovery to reality-based reparte. Remember, the mind is a terrible thing to waste. So, don’t tarry. The Obamicus nonsensicus redicula can be removed, and the vaccancy left filled with honesty, integrity and ability to live a full life based in reality. Good luck Mike. Come back when you are filled with the goodness of truth and honesty. We look forward to your healing.

    • Mike Mansfield permalink
      September 21, 2009 11:52 pm

      Well, if I didn’t know that my IQ is in the upper 2% I might take that attack personally; but I won’t.

      Totally incidentally, at a time when I was getting dizzy (turned out to just be vertigo and driving too much on mountain roads) very often, my doctor had scans run on my brain. It is still fine. Thank you very much.

      • Julie Trevor permalink
        September 22, 2009 12:24 am

        “Well, if I didn’t know that my IQ is in the upper 2%”

        There we have it folks!!!

      • Tom Trevor permalink
        September 22, 2009 8:48 am

        I never met a high IQ person who had to tell people his IQ. People with high IQs know they don’t need to tell anyone, because it is obvious .

  14. Judy permalink
    September 21, 2009 1:41 pm

    That business giant, Jeffery Immelt, the titan of astute business policy and growth was given an incredible gift from Mr. Obama. Obama gave Immelt a seat at the table, a chair on the New York Federal Reserve, the ability to control an unlimited business cartel, control over the carbon credit assets, and of course an entry into Russia. Immelt, bowed and kissed Obama’s ring. In return he gave Obama unlimited press control and manipulation, access to the GE business line, and more importantly, unquestioned loyalty. It was love at first sight. Ain’t love grand.

    • Mike Mansfield permalink
      September 21, 2009 11:52 pm

      Yes, Judy. I know that; and I don’t like it either.

      That doesn’t mean I don’t support his overall work, however.

  15. Mike Mansfield permalink
    September 21, 2009 11:54 pm

    I can’t wait to see what I’ll find tomorrow. This is quite fun.

    And Paul, I hope you appreciate that I’m helping to get lots of discussion on your blog. I’ll even enjoy being a “devil’s advocate” if there is ever a reason to do so; and I’m pretty sure I’m going to agree with much of what you say.

  16. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 22, 2009 2:54 am

    Judy
    It is my hope that Obama and

  17. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 22, 2009 2:59 am

    Judy
    It is my sincere hope that Obama and Immelt are one day prosecuted for this conspiracy. over a year ago myself and two friends dumped any GE stock we had and were we lucky. It is my belief that both are criminals.

  18. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 22, 2009 5:42 am

    Mr. Mansfield I do not wish to be rude but I can only conclude you are lying about people just to stoke anger. Your lies and deceit are not worthy of anymore replies. I am not a Limbaug fan but I am more than sure you can produce no proof of the mans designs regarding busing and far from it. You are to say the least despicable. I believe most here would know who the author of all confusion and lies is. People do not be hoodwinked by this prevaricator in chief.

  19. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 22, 2009 5:49 am

    Also folks I would like to say that there is no huge amount of Baptist or Methodist out there molesting children. It is a very small number when compared to the number of moleaters as a whole. There was also a problem in the Catholic Church that was investigated and they found that many of the siminaries had been taken over by homosexuals and the church took steps to remove these people and fix the problem. I am not going to condemn the whole Catholic church and the good work they have done over a minority of abusive priest that are being flushed out. Next to the US the Catholic Church is the largest chheritable organization there is. Some time you must shake the dust from your feet and that is what I am doing with this case.

  20. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 22, 2009 5:55 am

    Last response in regard to the WMD everyone knows he used them on his own people and on Iran as I stated every intel agency in the world knew hed had poison gas. There is satelite imagery of the convoy of trucks leaving the very kind of bunckers that would be used to store thes weapons and they headed right to the syrian border. It is fact. This man is simply not truthful. Now I am done with him shaking that dust.

  21. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 22, 2009 11:27 am

    Tom Trevor to buttress your comment recent Stat just released from AMA and several other sources women die of breast cancer at a much higher rate in England and Canada than they do here in the US. Cancer to a I believe to a large degree is genetic and some people are more prone to devolope it than others. It can be I believe accelerated by certain actions or environs but to a great extent genetic because quite often it runs in famlies.

  22. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 22, 2009 2:07 pm

    Julie he still does not know it. It is called self deception.

    • jbtrevor permalink
      September 22, 2009 2:19 pm

      LOL

  23. Beau Bailey permalink
    September 22, 2009 5:32 pm

    Mike- No where in my response did I belittle you or personally attack you and I do not care to be attacked. As far as what I read and if I’m in the military, just ask Paul. He is a friend of mine from college and can vouch for the fact that yes I am STILL in the military.

    As the fact (as you state it) that Iraq never had WMD’s, why don’t you go ask the Kurds in northern Iraq. He gassed and killed over 100,0o0 after the first Iraq war. As far as Taliban not in Iraq. Little lesson for you, Taliban and Al Queda are one in the same. Look up Iraqi Al Queda, fascinating read. Also the majority of Iraqis aren’t trying to kill us it’s the insurgents, read up where they are coming from. Very few are home grown Iraqis.

    So, you are saying the cops will come and shoot your neighbors wife? Seems like you have a problem with authorities and truth.

    Your point that racism against white people is impossible is absolutely laughable. If in the last election 95% of the Caucasians voted for McCain, they would all been labeled racist. But not one word was said when 95% of the black population who voted, voted for Obama. Racism works both ways. The most discriminated group in America right now is a White/Male. (That is my opinion, but I feel it’s pretty strong when you think about affirmative action.)

    I agree with the person who stated most people with an IQ in the top 2% don’t have to boost about, people know it just from talking with them. You sir, seem to have the IQ of a normal everyday citizen.

    Since you like to put people down and talk down to them this will be my last response to. Enjoy the Kool-Aide. Also, if we have the 37th best health care in the world, I’m sure the top 36 countries would love to have you as a citizen.

    Beau

    • Julie Trevor permalink
      September 22, 2009 5:51 pm

      Zing, good one Beau!
      Julie

    • Tom Trevor permalink
      September 22, 2009 6:39 pm

      Since I thought this post was about the news media and Obama. This will be my last post on this too.
      The Mikes of the world are too far gone to reach.

  24. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 23, 2009 4:16 am

    Beau
    First let me thank you for you service to our nation it is always good to hear from a fellow soldier being an old GI myself. I fear your good advice will fall on intentionally deaf ears. I can also state when you have searched as many dwellings as I have and you find dope and booze and very little food and sometimes no milk or formula you can understand that .2 % that you speak about in regard to babies. There born with low birth weight and even drug addicted at birth but I assure you people like Mike would provide there mothers with a clean needle to pump more dope in there veins with a smile Needle exchange or start a lot more midnight basketball. Maybe Mike will turn over all instruction care for babies or at least those that survive his favorite abortionist to Acorn.

  25. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 23, 2009 4:23 am

    Has anyone considered that Mike might really be George McGovern comunicating secretly from the witness protection program? Or Bill Clintons old Surgeon General of whats her name?

    • Paul Cooper permalink
      September 24, 2009 8:33 am

      I know Mike. He is a retired (I think) United Methodist pastor. He is extremely left-wing. His wife has had massive medical issues (praying people – please pray for her), and I believe that has pushed him over the edge for trusting all things socialized (but that is my assumption).

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