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Frum Vs. Horowitz Continues At FrontPage!

September 21, 2009

Glenn Beck critic David Frum


The debate over Glenn Beck continues at FrontPage in a discussion coordinated by my colleague Jamie Glazov. If you’ve enjoyed what we’ve had so far, then you’re going to love this new installment.

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  1. carterthewriter permalink
    September 21, 2009 8:43 am

    To get a better understanding of what we all have to contend with, since truth in reporting has become a lost art, this debate between Frum & Horowitz is a must read!

  2. Wayne permalink
    September 21, 2009 12:31 pm

    In the Horowitz/Frum debate both agree that Ron Paul is a conservative crackpot and conspiracy theorist. They differ on whether Glenn Beck should be categorized the same way as Ron Paul. Frum says he should be. Horowitz says he’s reviewing the matter …

    Oddly enough as to the charge of Ron Paul being an anti-Semite which both make, neither offers proof positive of this assertion. From my viewing of Glenn Beck I appreciate that he does not pretend that all the problems are just so much partisan politics, and the problems can be simply resolved by voting Republican in the next election. He recognizes that both parties have contributed to the mess that exists today and offers the potential for both contributing to correcting this. Beck takes a longer term view of the problems, as well. He points out that these problems have been incubating at least since the days of Woodrow Wilson and his “progressive” era in politics.

    It was during the Woodrow Wilson administration that the Federal Re4sertve was created in 1913. Ron Paul asserts that it is this creation that he sees as opening the door to many of the economic woes that have followed over the ensuing century. I agree with both Beck and Paul that more light needs to be shed on this period — and why not a full-blown investigation of who and what exactly compose the Federal Reserve? Have they contributed to the economic woes that have occurred — or have they been the root cause of those woes, after looting the treasury and leaving worthless paper and ink behind?

    Not to sound to conspiratorial, but doesn’t the latest “financial crisis” evoke an image of the world teetering on the brink of an abyss? And what about the condescending attitudes displayed by the likes of Henry Paulson and Ben Bernanke in “resolving” the crisis? Does anybody think this “financial crisis” has been resolved and not just pushed further into the future that will create an even greater crisis?

    • September 21, 2009 1:15 pm

      Many people (myself included) view Paul as an anti-Semite because of things that were written in his name in one of his newsletters, some of his comments about the “Israel lobby,” and for his crackpot position of non-interventionism. (See the John Podhoretz link I provided in my last post.)

      If Paul had his way then the US would abandon its support and alliance of Israel, thus allowing the Islamofascists in the Middle East to proceed with Hitler’s work of exterminating the Jewish people. As a politically-educated man Paul knows that this is what would happen. He just doesn’t really seem to care. He’s too devoted to his ideology to care about the practical consequences of what he advocates.

      Paul’s and his supporters foreign policy views have far more in common with the Anti-American Left than with the mainstream of both Republican and Democratic parties. Say what you will about Barack Obama, when it comes to foreign policy I’d take him over Paul any day of the week!

  3. Brent Smith permalink
    September 21, 2009 2:06 pm

    David you make a good point. The foreign policy stances of many libertarians, paleo conservatives and in particular Ron Paul is one of the main things that keeps me away from really taking a closer look at supporting libertarian candidates and causes. Isolationism and being against the Federal Reserve are campanign positions you’d take if you were running for office in 1910. After WWII and well the invention of international air travel supporting isolationism made about as much sense as being a Detroit Lions fan. Neither one is relevant in 2009 or pretty much the last 60 years.

    • September 21, 2009 2:12 pm

      Thank you B-Rent. 🙂

      That does pretty much summarize the issue perfectly.

  4. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 22, 2009 6:45 am

    Frum is about as senseless as Ron Paul on many things. Your example of Pauls ant-Semetism is superb. i have often wondered if Ron Paul was Lyndon Lerouch’s twin seperated at birth?

  5. Judy permalink
    September 22, 2009 2:54 pm

    Will someone please help Mr. Frum off the fence onto any side,just any side. He gives me a headache trying to work through his web of confused political stance. And David, you are correct, Paul has a singular-minded focus that ignores the consequences and fallout of positions that he advocates. Paul’s positions are based on anti-semetic philosophies and an immature understanding of how actions around the world interplay and affect all people. And yes, Paul’s core political belief has more in common with a Leftist anti-American stance only from a conspiratorial tact. I still have difficulty deciding which is worst, Paul or Obama. They both have internalized everything that I object to.

    • September 22, 2009 3:26 pm

      Paul is worse any day of the week. He’s wayyyyy to Obama’s left as far as foreign policy is concerned. You might not like Obama’s policy on Israel but it’s still well within the mainstream. He’s got several billion dollars budget in defense aid to Israel for the 2010 budget. President Paul would ax that to zero.


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