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Obama Attacks U.S.

September 23, 2009

Obama United Nations

The U.S. President began his speech to an audience that included Ahmadinejad, Qadhafi and Hugo Chavez by explaining, somewhat apologetically, that it is his responsibility to defend the interests of his nation.

But since Barack Obama never opens his mouth without  speaking out of both sides of it, you have to wait for the punch line to see what he really means.

Did he point out to the assembled dictators and terrorists that for 9 years America has been leading the war against terrorism in Afghanistan and Iraq and thereby protecting not only its own interests but those of all people who love their freedom? No. He used the UN podium first to give a partisan political speech continually attacking the Bush Administration and then announced with pride what he had done in only 9 months in office: stop American torturers, close America’s torture chambers on Guantanamo, and leave Iraq (as though we were there for blood and oil). And top it off, under Obama we had joined Qadhafi and Ahmadinejad and Fidel Castro on the UN’s evil “Human Rights Council” which has issued hundreds of condmnations of Israel and none of Hizbollah, Iran and Hamas.

Behold, in other words, “the new United States” — as Fox reported it. And of course following his attacks on the United States and Bush were attacks on Israel, the nation on the front lines of the war against terror. Palestinians, the President said, should stop their “volatile incitements” against Israel, while Israel should recognize the legitimate rights of the Palestinans (as though it doen’t) and “end the occupation that began in 1967” — the occupation that resulted from an unprovoked Arab war of aggression against Israel followed by an Arab refusal to sign a peace treaty in exchange for Israeli withdrawal.

As an American and a Jew I found the President’s speech an offensive betrayal of America’s interests. The rest of the speech was dangerous hot air about the world cooperating. “The yearning for peace is universal” Obama said. Oh no it is isn’t. Tell that that to Ahmadinejad, Qaddafi,  and Chavez.

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103 Comments
  1. shalom permalink
    September 23, 2009 8:56 am

    Well, I think in international politics it’s much better to look for a dialog and find either a small common ground, instead of the old fashioned threats, screams and bombs… Of course, Ahmadinejad, Qaddafi, and Chavez aren’t good examples of democracy, but threatening them and deny any kind of relationship allows only to obtain no results. Obama isn’t perfect, but I believe he’s on the right path. He’s threatened by Al-Qaeda, by pharmaceutical industry, by insurances, by all Bush friends… So, that’s an evidence that there’s something right in what he’s doing.
    “War on terrorism” is a contradiction… You become a terrorist at the same moment you use violence to fight something that changes always shape and location, so you become just like the one you want to fight. Instead, one should use all the efforts to understand the causes behind that… No chance for peace and freedom without dialogue.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 23, 2009 9:34 am

      You write:

      “Of course, Ahmadinejad, Qaddafi, and Chavez aren’t good examples of democracy”

      Come again ? Not GOOD examples ? Are you kidding me ?

      Totalitarian governments that stage mock elections to placate morons like you aren’t democracies AT ALL…

      “You become a terrorist at the same moment you use violence to fight something that changes always shape and location, so you become just like the one you want to fight.”

      WHAT ?????

      By defending ourselves against someone who’s attacking us WE become terrorists ?

      SELF DEFENSE IS TERRORISM ???

      Now I’ve heard everything…

      Thanks folks, good night !

    • Tom Trevor permalink
      September 24, 2009 8:36 am

      So I come into your home and try to kidnap you kid, and you hit me over the head with a frying pan to stop me, now you are just like me because you fought me. I don’t think so and I don’t think you do either. On 9/11 people were just going about their business when their life was taking or ruined. We are just like them when we fight back, hogwash.

    • Luis Vazquez permalink
      September 26, 2009 9:28 am

      Shalom: I am not a Bush Friend. I never met him personnally, but I felt
      more confident and safe with him that I feel with The Radical Left now controlling all the branches of goverment, just like Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Ghadafy, Ahmadinejab and the rest of our enemies.

      No wonder they all favor Mr.O. and his master Soros.

  2. Swemson permalink
    September 23, 2009 9:25 am

    David;

    When you add up the sum total of everything he’s said and done thus far, isn’t it clear that he’s intentionally trying to destroy America in order to remake it in the image of his own twisted and evil ideology ?

  3. carterthewriter permalink
    September 23, 2009 9:31 am

    We have tried to reason with these terrorist far to long and if “shalom” remembers how much good it did the British to appease Adolph back in ’38, maybe he might think twice about his views, but therein lies the problem, he fails to recount events of the past.

    • Luis Vazquez permalink
      September 26, 2009 9:33 am

      Maybe No>.

      Maybe he is one of them and would like nothing more than appease us for their own convenience.

      That way they would conquer us without having to use their nuclear arsenals.

  4. jbtrevor permalink
    September 23, 2009 5:13 pm

    I am very worried about the fate of Israel; with friends like US she needs no enemies. How abandoned her people must feel.
    How can Rahm Emmanuel stand to be in the same room with President Obama; please will someone enlighten me?
    Julie

    • Swemson permalink
      September 23, 2009 5:35 pm

      Rahm Emmanuel and Obama are one & the same….

      Never forget that power is the MOST addictive of all drugs….

      And don’t forget who their banker is, George Soros… whose real name was Schwartz.. As a boy of 13, he actually helped the Nazi’s in Hungary for a brief time, with their persecution of the Jews while hiding his real Jewish identity… although to be fair, he was just a child at the time trying to survive…

    • Luis Vazquez permalink
      September 26, 2009 9:41 am

      Judy: The AMERICAN JEWS should have seen this before they voted for some one who was their declared enemy.

  5. Tom Trevor permalink
    September 23, 2009 6:32 pm

    The arrogance of Obama gets me. He said this “The people of the world want change”. Hope and change, what is he running for president of the world? What next head of the universe? “The Aliens of the universe want hope and change”.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 23, 2009 8:00 pm

      Perhaps not the universe Tom… but certainly this planet…

      Didn’t you hear ?

      He’s going to regulate the climate…..

      Did you ever notice that everyone complains about the weather, but only democrats try to legislate it ?

      • Tom Trevor permalink
        September 23, 2009 8:18 pm

        Swemson: They think that because they are law makers they can rewrite the laws of physics, and not just with “climate change” but also with alternative energy that can’t possible do what they insist it must.

        • jbtrevor permalink
          September 23, 2009 8:31 pm

          Alternative Energy?

          Alternative to what…that which works?

        • Swemson permalink
          September 23, 2009 8:48 pm

          Yeah..

          I read about what that little snot said at the meeting at Chrysler (or was it GM).. unbelievable huh ? If I had been there I think I’d have smacked him upside the head with a V8 short block….

          Are you aware of HOW monstrous a hoax that Gore and his minions are actually pushing ?

          Did you know that the IPCC has actually begun to falsify data to support the political agenda of their masters ?

          I honestly believe that this may be the subject upon which we could actually bring this administration down, if only we can figure out a way to get a fair public hearing on the matter…

          • jbtrevor permalink
            September 24, 2009 8:35 am

            I’m not sure what you mean by “bringing this administration down” but I would at least like to have a public discourse on the topic.
            I am concerned however that the scientists who have become so reliant on the Government to fund them would be reluctant to shoot the cash cow…
            Julie

            • September 24, 2009 8:50 am

              I oppose trying to “bring down” Obama through somethign like impeachment. I think the far better and more practical approach is to nudge him toward the center. Just think about the Clinton era. Trying to impeach Clinton failed. It was a waste of energy and time. But trying to nudge Clinton to the center (like on Welfare reform for example) was effective. The same can and should be done with Obama.

            • Swemson permalink
              September 24, 2009 3:52 pm

              David;

              How are you going to nudge him towards center when he ignores the voices of half of America, and calls them fruitcakes, racists, and traitors… This guy is far past the point of rehabilitation.. He’s trying to bring down America so he can rebuild it in his image..

              If that isn’t clear by now, then someone’s being painfully naive… and risking great harm to the country.

              We’re in the middle of a flat out assault against our Constitution, and you want to nudge him… ???

              The only direction in which this traitor should be nudged is into a federal penitentiary.

            • September 24, 2009 5:41 pm

              Swemson, my friend you discredit yourself with your hyperbole:

              “fruitcakes, racists, and traitors”

              When has Obama ever called any of his opponents any such thing?

              Nudged into a prison cell? FOR WHAT? What CRIME has he committed? Pushing bad political ideas isn’t a crime.

              Trying to nudge Obama toward the center is what the GOP and conservatives have been doing — and it’s been working. Hey, where’d that “public option” go?

              Don’t go off the deep end, my friend.

              What’s your alternative strategy?

            • September 24, 2009 8:11 pm

              “David….

              I think you’re wrong about Newsreel’s members. Sure, they don’t use the terms I do.. few have the stones to be as outspokenly politically incorrect as I… But I’ll bet you a whole lot more of them think that Obama is a traitor to our country and especially to our Constitution than you may think there are…

              Hopefully they’ll choose to speak up here…”

              Listen to yourself. I think I know my colleagues better than you do Swemson. I recruited most of them myself and know their views better than you do. I think I’d know if they thought Obama was a “traitor” who had committed treason and other crimes and deserved to be thrown in jail. Further I find your suggestion that they and myself — including David Horowitz — do not have “the stones” to be outspoken and politically incorrect a tad offensive. You think we’re holding back what our true views are? Do you really think that little of us?

            • Swemson permalink
              September 24, 2009 9:02 pm

              David… chill pal…

              I wasn’t referring to you, David H, or ANY of your fine group of bloggers…

              I was talking ONLY about the members, like me, who read what you guys write & then discuss it here…

              Yes.. I think a lot more of US, think Obama is a traitor than you might think…

              And as much as I like you, I’m beginning to think that you’re far too “Moderate” if that’s the right word, to truly understand HOW ugly, evil and dangerous what’s going on in our great country really is right now… Maybe it’s because I’m older than you, & I have no doubt that the fact that once wore the Marine Corps uniform has played a part in moulding my thoughts & attitude.. but we clealy see things from a different angle…

              Maybe I am off the deep end on the right… could be… but I have to tell you that as much as I hope I’m wrong, I think that this country is in such deep doo doo right now, that it’s almost inevitable that we’re going to see the beginning of another violent American revolution in the very near future… I’m going to send you a photo that supports my prediction by eMail right after posting this… put it up with this comment if you wish… It’s a common sight around the area where I live…

              I’ve been seeing some very encouraging signs lately that America is waking up and smelling what Obama and his merry band of marxist czars & advisors are shoveling… but on the other hand I think that most of the rational voices on the right are underestimating the opposition by a big factor…

              Todays vote in the senate was an excellent indicator that the far left knows they’re in trouble and is beginning a “SURGE” against our freedom and liberties as we speak…

              They’re actively creating one crisis after another so they’ll have an excuse to launch a major blitzkreig in the VERY near future… One of the next big ones is going to be the food shortages resulting from Obama and his enviro-fascist gang shutting off the flow of water to California’s central valley… TO PROTECT THE DELTA SMELT !

              The green freaks always seem to forget that one of the things that happens naturally on this planet on a daily basis, is that some creatures become EXTINCT !

              And I am definitely hoping to see all of these left wing liars, thieves and thugs go extinct themselves…..

              Oscar Levant was one of the all time great insult artists… and he came to mind the other day when a fellow I play poker with asked me what I thought of Obama… I immediately remembered Oscar & said:

              “He should inherit a hotel and be found dead in every room… that’s what I wish on him !”

          • Swemson permalink
            September 24, 2009 6:44 pm

            David;

            When I said: “he ignores the voices of half of America, and calls them fruitcakes, racists, and traitors… ” I was referring to the central axis of Obama, Reid, Pelosi, liars like Barney Frank, John Conyers, the czars, Rahm Emmanuel, Axelrod, etc…etc.. And frankly I have no problem including Chris Matthews, Olberman, Letterman, Maher & the rest of that crowd in with them as well…

            “Nudged into a prison cell? FOR WHAT? What CRIME has he committed?”

            Treason , subversion of the Constitution, Racketeering (ACORN), grand larceny (Chrysler / GM stock given to unions etc..) Fraud (using public funds to promote his ideology) Election fraud, and several more I’m sure…. Oh, and did I mention TREASON…

            Yes David, if we were living in a rational world I should think his crimes against America would be deserving the most harsh punishment that you can imagine….

            This POS has lied to the American public almost every single time that he’s opened his mouth….. and YES I believe that the covert dismantling of our country has been his intention all along….

            He’s providing aid and comfort to our enemies by ordering the State Department to spend $20MM of public funds to help Palestinians, many if not most of whom are members of Hamas, to emigrate to the USA with all expenses, welfare, healthcare, living expenses etc, courtesy of the US Taxpayers.

            He’s betraying Israel, perhaps our most valuable ally we have.

            He’s trying to subvert the arts (NEA) to function as a propaganda aid to his Marxist ambitions…

            He’s perpetrating a fraud against the entire country with Cap & Tax,

            He’s trying to screw our seniors who paid into Medicare, to steal 300 billion or more from their benefits..

            He’s trying to screw veterans by reducing their health care benefits which they MOST DEFINITELY paid for…

            Common David…

            Why don’t you ask Newsreel’s members if they think that Obama is just “Pushing bad political ideas”……

            • Swemson permalink
              September 24, 2009 6:46 pm

              He’s not PUSHING anything…

              He’s cramming it down our throats !

            • September 24, 2009 7:37 pm

              Obama is not responsible for the rhetoric of Olbermann. If they’re not working for Obama then you can’t attack him through their words. The statement you made was factually wrong. You’re upset by the policies that he’s pushing so you got a little carried away.

              I think NewsReal’s bloggers have been quite clear in their judgments and criticisms of Obama. Show me where one of them has said that Obama has committed treason or should be jailed. You’ll have a hard time finding many of them whose expressed views line up with your hyperbole. Nowhere in any of Horowitz’s writings have I seen him use such language.

              Obama is pushing bad political ideas. He’s not committing treason or crimes. The latter is just what you’re afraid he’s doing.

            • Swemson permalink
              September 24, 2009 7:59 pm

              David….

              I think you’re wrong about Newsreel’s members. Sure, they don’t use the terms I do.. few have the stones to be as outspokenly politically incorrect as I… But I’ll bet you a whole lot more of them think that Obama is a traitor to our country and especially to our Constitution than you may think there are…

              Hopefully they’ll choose to speak up here…

            • jbtrevor permalink
              September 25, 2009 6:47 am

              Swemson,

              Julie speaking up here.

              Is President Obama a traitor? No, he says things that irritate me. Fortunately he’s irritating a lot of people on both sides.

              We won’t really know how enthusiastic the American people are in supporting President Obama’s agenda (now that it has been fully revealed) until Nov 2010. We still have lots of work to do; distracting ourselves with traitor/impeachment rhetoric is just that; a distraction that the Left wants.

              Julie

            • Luis Vazquez permalink
              September 26, 2009 9:53 am

              Swemson: Is it possible that Mr. Swindle still believes in Fairy tales?

              I bet he still believes that Fidel Castro could be brought to the side of democracy, if only we let him have everything he asks from us.

            • Swemson permalink
              September 26, 2009 3:35 pm

              No, nor a chance……

              David is a relatively young refugee from liberalism… and still clings to some remnants of his old mindset that can only disappear with age….. and of course, some of his liberal ideas are absolutely legitimate, and always will be… We shouldn’t confuse today’s liberal extremists with what the term liberal has meant in the past.

              David is also caught in a position here where he MUST be somewhat MODERATE in what he says, because he is, after all the MODERATOR of this blog….

              And he does slip in the occasional zinger when required to do so, like he did today, when he chastised one of the worst trolls ever to darken our towels here at NewsReal… But he did so with such grace and artistry, that the crowd awarded him both ears and the tail !

            • September 26, 2009 3:49 pm

              Thanks Swemson. You’re a good friend. 🙂

            • Swemson permalink
              September 26, 2009 8:12 pm

              “If you’re not a liberal when you’re young you have no heart,
              & if you’re not a conservative when you’re old, you have no brain!”

              Winston Churchill

    • Juan de la Cruz permalink
      November 7, 2009 5:20 pm

      The change that BO promised is not the change that I was expecting… He’s changing the free market into socialism. Just look how the federal gov’t have grown so big in less than a year.

      • Luis R Vazquez permalink
        November 7, 2009 9:45 pm

        Juan: If you are of cuban descend or a native cuban, you should have detected the socialism in OB speeches long before he was elected.

  6. Sam Deakins permalink
    September 24, 2009 2:42 am

    shalom, old buddy, Obama is one them “man-made disasters” that Ms Napolitano warned us about. Obama is like the DeCrapio character in Titanic standing on the rail of the ship proclaiming himself King of the World (UN)…and the pity is folks like you (and Fidel) believe him. I suppose that’s the real disaster.

    • shalom permalink
      September 24, 2009 6:14 am

      It’s not a matter to believe or not… Just observe the facts: if the old, armed and hard approach was the right one, after so many years and so many efforts, Middle East, and our Israel, would be a holiday place with great perspectives. The fact that instead the area is still a hot one, means – in my opinion – that maybe it’s time to change strategy and try something else. I believe that the main desire of all the people living in the area is to live in peace each other, in spite of their government heads. Believe me, I understand the reasons all the people is writing here, but I don’t think fear and hate will help us to fight an enemy that endlessly changes and hides…

    • Luis R Vazquez permalink
      November 7, 2009 9:51 pm

      Obama never lied. He was showing his pro-communist ways from the start.

      Those who were fooled was because, either they hated Bush, or because they never bothered to read about The Yenan Way.

  7. poptoy permalink
    September 24, 2009 3:34 am

    AND WHAT ELSE IS NEW?

    • Azuma Urzucula permalink
      September 24, 2009 7:28 am

      “What else is new”? PLease don’t be swayed by these pundits. They are distortionist.

      • September 24, 2009 7:47 am

        What are we distorting at NewsReal? The illusions you embrace?

      • Luis Vazquez permalink
        September 26, 2009 9:55 am

        AZUMA; ARE YOU STILL ASS UMING?

  8. Azuma Urzucula permalink
    September 24, 2009 7:25 am

    WTF! I feel that it is my Military duty to report fraud, waste and abuse only I think that D. Horowitz is a “glenn beck-styled joke.” Isreal is fine and is in no real danger as a nation or a people. I don’t have any privilaged info and nor does Horowitz for that matter. What about the recent IAEA report-findings regard Iran and Isreal? Bush (who I voted for twice)never fully resourced the war and lot of us (soldiers)died. Enough already! Obama is on the right path. Horowitz is one of those punks that never played sports and would never his country’s uniform!

    • In the know permalink
      September 24, 2009 8:56 am

      WOW? Seriously? Isreal is in no danger? Sir, respectfully, because you were a soldier does not mean you are an expert on middle east relations. Are you a general officer or part of central command privy to data that no one else can see that would counter any of the overtly obvious threats to Isreal? If wearing one’s countries uniform is the only preface to not being a punk, then you have logically excluded our fearless leader. As for your Ad Hominem, please provide some empirical data to support these claims.

  9. September 24, 2009 8:25 am

    Maybe Barry can go and work for one of his whacko tyrant friends and wreck their country instead of ours.

  10. Judy permalink
    September 24, 2009 2:05 pm

    Swemson, the best example that I think of is the fear that those students from Woods Hole that went to the Polar ice cap to update the monitoring equipment and perform enviromental analysis. How many days did they sit around discussing the fact that the ice monitoring equipment callibrations were significantly off and that there was no ice loss. They were undoubtedly frightened and hesitent to report their findings. The fear and intimidation that is forced upon us by the Cap and Trade, the sky is falling politicians is taking a tole. Well, to answer the question, they waited 6 days to report the findings and did it first through the safety of an external resource before calling the University. We live in insane times and it is at times difficult to weed through the web of lies. Azuma, it is ISRAEL.And they own the land from the Nile to Eyphraetes River. The term “Palestinian” is a political confabulation. Even the Koran states this. It is interesting that this point is lost in the anti-Jew agression.Also, calling D.Horowitz a ” pundit” are fighting words. Put up or shut up. The Huff n’Puff would fit your taste just fine. As a previous S.D.S. activist, I appreciate Mr. Horowitz for his insight,wisdom and wit. As to Mr. Obama, wisdom is part of his core being and it is that very fact that makes him and his Marxist beliefs very dangerous.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 24, 2009 4:21 pm

      Judy;

      Al Gore shows photos & videos of the polar ice in the summer, when it ALWAYS melts, and falls apart around the edges… All you have to do is compare satellite photos taken during the winter to see what I mean..

      The Ice is just ONE part of his lies… A large portion of their temperature measurement devices are unreliable… I’ve seen photos of many that are located next to commercial A/C equipment that spews hot air on them… Many that were originally placed in rural environments are now surrounded by concrete that absorbs the heat of the sun & radiates it back all night. It’s called the “heat island effect”, and everybody knows about it… On top of all of that, they actually falsify the data even more to make it fit their bogus computer models and predictions.

      THIS IS THE BIGGEST CASE OF SCIENTIFIC FRAUD IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND… !

      They show a photo of a polar bear floating on a piece of ice & claim that it proves that the polar bears are going extinct… HA !
      The polar bear population has been growing for years… we have more polar bears now than we’ve had in MANY years…

      But the biggest part of the lie is when they tell us that CO2 is a POLLUTANT that’s destroying the earth… CO2 is PLANT FOOD. It’s such a minor greenhouse that, that the concentration of MAN-MADE CO2 in the atmosphere is measured in parts per million (PPM)… CO2 represents only 4/10th of 1% of the earth’s atmosphere. Of that entire amount, 770 GT (Giga Tons) less than half of 1% (27GT) is caused by man, and not all of that comes from our use of fossil fuels. Last I heard is that man made CO2 has contributed a rise in CO2 over the last 100 years or so of about 25 to 30 PPM.

      Is it a greenhouse gas.. of course it is, but any effects that large CO2 concentrations can have on our climate are so negligible as to be statistically insignificant. Our average temperatures are influenced primarily by solar activity. In the last 1,000 years we’ve had centuries in which our average temps were 4 degrees above the thousand year median… and centuries in which our average temps were 3-4 degrees below the thousand year median….

      We’re currently roughly 6/10ths of ONE degree above the thousand year median….

      SO WHERE THE HELL IS THE BLOODY CRISIS ????

      • Luis Vazquez permalink
        September 25, 2009 9:37 pm

        For those who believe in the “GREAT ALBERT GORE;

        He already earned his reward: $500 millions in stimulous money to build A HYBRID CAR….. IN FINLAND.

        VERY GOOD INVESTMENT TO PROVIDE JOBS FOR “AMERICANS”

        JAJAJAJAAAAA.

  11. Judy permalink
    September 24, 2009 2:08 pm

    Sorry folks, that should read that wisdom is NOT a part of Obama’s core…

    • Luis Vazquez permalink
      September 24, 2009 9:49 pm

      Sorry Judy: WISDOM IS NOT A PART OF AMERICAN VOTERS CORE.
      THEY PUT AN ENEMY IN POWER FOR HATE TOWARD A MAN WHO SACRIFICED HIS HONOR AND CREDIBILITY TO SAVE OUR RIGHT TO FREEDOM.

      AND WHAT EVER HAPPENS TO ISRAEL, GIVE CREDIT TO THE 80% OF JEWS WHO DISHONORED THEIR FAITH BY VOTING BY A FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIN FOR PRESIDENT.

  12. Judy permalink
    September 24, 2009 2:14 pm

    Swemson, I thought that he actually initially said “control”. Now, that I would like to see. He could use those finger-pointing gestures to shoo away the rain, tornados, and other destructive forces. Who can??? “The candy man can” (From the outrageously funny video, Obama Man Can). I definitely need to stop and get lunch, I am rambling on.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 24, 2009 4:24 pm

      Judy;

      If you run into him, ask him to please stop the hurricanes that plague the outer banks each year…

      They’re VERY scary !

  13. Michaelle Maloney permalink
    September 24, 2009 2:30 pm

    Obama continues to make a BIG REAR END out of himself-this is nothing new. I can’t stand to listen to him for more than a few seconds. His agenda is the doctrine of demons.

  14. Michaelle Maloney permalink
    September 24, 2009 2:32 pm

    Its Obama the dumma!

  15. Judy permalink
    September 24, 2009 5:12 pm

    Swemson, I hope to never run into Obama. The climate “change” fraud is like the game of telephone that we played as kids. You whisper something into the ear of the kid next to you and in turn he/she pasess it to the next kid and so on. By the time it gets back to the original kid it has no resemblance to the original message. As this fraud of climate change urgency is reaching fevered pitch, there is still no scientific evidence to back the findings of Gore’s movie, or the theories presented by “scientists”. After visiting with a cousin last summer (he is the retired director of communication of NASA/Houston/22 years), the topic of global warming and atmospheric trapping of CO2 was a heated topic with others that firmly believe in the theory without evidence. He said that the evidence of human causation will never be there. He explained that one of greatest enemies of communications in the space program is the sun. The sun apparently goes through cycles like everything else,has flares, spots, different radiation emmisions and that the earth temperatures are actually cooler. Ice does melt and then reforms.Ocean salinety changes. In other words, as he put it “the earth is in constant flux”, and that” those that seek to isolate a earth period are fools”.The earth and climate study are a large part of the NASA budget, and subject to the whim of those that authorize the funds.But, he said “chill out” nothing can change. Polution is a different matter, so he did suggest that you pick up after yourself.Swemson, we are in deep trouble and need to fight this fictitous pseudo-science and need to constantly and relentlessly refute false science and reveal the true purpose.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 24, 2009 7:50 pm

      Judy, just to clarify a few small details in what you wrote:

      There was some evidence to support the AGW theory in the late 1970’s, 80’s. From 1975 to 1998, our temperatures did rise pretty quickly. Of course if you looked at the rise in relation to past climate history, it wasn’t that drastic, or even that big of a rise, but during those years, the rate of rise did coincide with a similar rate of rise of man-made CO2… So it wasn’t unusual that some observers credited the rise on the increase of CO2… Of course they got their entire theory ass backwards, as several scientists have proved beyond a doubt that the increasing temperature actually created the increase in atmospheric CO2, and not the other way around as many scientists believed.

      Before the AGW theory had been debunked, England got into a bit of a mess because the coal miners there were on strike, so, without really understanding the science of this at all, Maggie Thatcher jumped on the idea that coal emissions were causing climate change as a political weapon to fight the miners with, in essence threatening that a big move towards alternative clean fuels would scare them into submission…

      It wasn’t Thatcher’s intention of course, to start the present hysteria, but she WAS the first well-known politician to advocate the theory…

      Humans however, throughout history, have always greeted climate change as being catastrophic. At first they thought of it as god punishing us for our sins… but we never really got over that, in large part due to the media.. Why the media ? Because catastrophes sell newspapers !

      This current “crisis” is the 4th to take place in the last hundred years alone. The last one ended in 1975, after 35 years of cooling which everyone was afraid was heralding the onset of another ice age. The following actual article from Newsweek 39 years ago tells the story..

      http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

      Your cousin is absolutely right that man is incapable of having any significant impact on our climate, and yes, pollution is indeed a serious problem… But I can assure you that if we (all govts combined) spent half of the money ($50 Billion) that we’ve pissed away on trying to find a way to change our climate on cleaning up pollution, and finding ways to clean up our emissions, the world we’re living in would be far cleaner….. And the only facts about climate that we must all learn to understand are that warming isn’t to be feared… warming is GOOD.. the earth thrives during warm periods, the CO2 that comes with it causes all vegetation and forests to grow like crazy, and…… that the only constant about climate, is that it is ALWAYS changing…

      The last component of this HOAX, however, that really pisses me off the most, and that ties together all the things that I’ve been saying about the far left intentionally trying to tear our country down, is the fact that the idea that we’re quickly running out of natural resources is complete and total rubbish.

      In the last several years we have discovered such huge oil & gas reserves in our territorial waters that geologists are beginning to suspect that we have BIGGER oil reserves than Saudi Arabia. And as drilling techniques get more sophisticated, we’ll be able to access far more than we even know about today…. The Alaskan reserves in Anwar are at least 10 times bigger than the radical environmentalists say they are. In many respects, they’ve taken over from the American Communist Party in the way they try to manipulate and control the country…

      This CRIMINAL government of ours is actually letting the Chinese drill in the Gulf of Mexico (and I’m sure they’re getting something under the table for that) while refusing to let Americans drill to supply our own domestic needs. Our known reserves on the continental shelf on BOTH coasts are almost impossible to even measure, and nobody is even counting how much oil we have in shale in the north central states & Canada. Maybe now that Ted Kennedy is dead, we’ll be allowed to drill off the coast of Cape Cod…. (PS: Oil rigs actually stimulate the growth of fisheries)

      America has sufficient oil reserves to cover 100% of our own needs for the next hundred years or more. We could easily solve our economic problems by paying China in oil for all of the stuff we buy from them… We have so much, that we could afford to undercut our enemies, Venezuela, the Arab oil Sheiks, as well as the Russian thugs, who are now using their oil riches to expand their sphere of influence.. The non-oil producing countries, many of whom are not that crazy about of America, would forget their hatred & jealousy in a NY minute, as soon as we start offering them the oil they need at the best prices…. We could easily be restored to the status of the wealthiest nation on earth, by a far bigger margin than we ever were before.

      The licensing fees that the government could receive from the production companies that drill for it would be enough to pay off our national debt, and ALL of the expenses of running the country for at least the next 50 years or so, thereby eliminating all taxes…

      It’s all possible, if only we could clean out the sewer on the Potomac.

      I may be off a hair on some of the details, but all of what I’ve said above is true. We have it all here, all we need is a rational and honest government that works for US and not for themselves, and every single problem that we’re facing goes away in a relatively short number of years…

      The only thing standing in our way, is the far left elements in our own corrupt government…

      We need a new constitutional convention where we can strengthen the few weak spots in our Constitution, redefine what the govt can and cannot do in strong, clear and specific terms, and set up an electoral system with serious term limits that will prevent the possibility of this kind of corruption from ever happening again…

  16. Judy permalink
    September 24, 2009 9:28 pm

    Swemson, I agree. Bart gave a long synopsis of essentially the same data only with more analysis that was mind-numbing. But, he stated that the concerns with CO2 is a fallacy since like the human body needs the “CO2-drive” to trigger respiration, the earth functions on CO2 in much the same way. Global warming in his analysis was infinately preferable to cooling as the oceans to our bodies are dependent upon heat to survive. Cooling inhibits all mechanisms of life. What troubles me the most is how this has caught fire without scientific data. I don’t mean photos that are contrived. I mean, that the world is repleat with scientists that are able to just that. Study. Julis is right when she says that no one wants to bite the hand that doles out the grants. David is right when he uses the word “nudge”. The name of a book by Cass Sunstein is “Nudge” and it represents moving a population toward a goal that they do not desire. You “nudge” them along. However, I do believe that along with nudging Obama, we should not give up on the in your face tactic so that our dissention becomes ignored. We must us the tactics of the Progressives and take it straight out of their playbook. This is why they are so furious with the tea-parties and the march on Washington. Never in their wildest nightmare did they expect dissent on that scale. By this constant pounding we can make it a issue not to be ignored and hopefully nudge Obama to a more moderate stand. The next year is going to be very interesting. Stand strong in the truth.

  17. Luis Vazquez permalink
    September 24, 2009 9:39 pm

    Why do we still complain about the unamerican behaviour of Barak Obama?
    Didn’t the American voters knew what to expect all along? Didn’t Mr Horowitz, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly and many others warned for years what a menace he was for the safety of this nation?
    Mr. Obama didn’t betray the confidence of the people; It was the people who voted for him who betrayed THE NATION!!

  18. music-man2 permalink
    September 24, 2009 9:52 pm

    “Since the year 2000, thousands of super, high-tech sensor buoys, referred to as ARGO’s (Array for Real-Time Geostrophic Oceanography) have been deployed world wide in oceans deep–in the service of “global warming research”–. Every ten days they rise to the surface, “gathering data about each strata of seawater they pass through”, explains the Vancouver Sun. Excited researchers hailed the ARGO buoys as the most sophisticated data collectors ever—that is, until the data started coming in. Now, scientists are busy spinning the results, because the little bouys are not giving them the results they want to hear. Since 2004, the oceans aren’t warming, they are actually cooling. Josh Willis of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory sniffed that the recorded temperature drop was “not anything really significant”. He explained: “It may be that we are in a period of less rapid warming”??? And you man-made global warming hoaxers are in a period of less rapid credibility. Ironically, it wasn’t long after I first read this report that someone on PBS was interviewing a marine biologist, asking him why a lot of fish (I think they were sharks, I might be wrong about that) were coming so close to the shores in a certain area. He exclaimed, “it’s because of global warming”. Apparently, he hasn’t caught up with the data yet. In the words of the professor of Economics at the University of Georgia who wrote an article entitled, “The US Tax System Explained With Beer”, (you really should try to locate that article), “to those who understand, no explanation is needed—to those who don’t, no explantion is possible”. That’s all I have to say.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 24, 2009 10:45 pm

      There was actually an article in the NY Times a few months back that claimed that the summer’s record low temperatures were caused by……

      Are you ready sports fans….

      Yup.. they were caused by Global Warming !!!

      They were all reaching that ocean levels were going to rise so much that they would wipe out most waterfront communities…

      The only thing that’s rising that much is the bulls*~t level in Washington DC…

    • Luis Vazquez permalink
      September 25, 2009 9:41 pm

      MUSIC MAN: I DON’T THINK LITTLE ALBERT WILL LIKE YOUR TUNE.

  19. September 25, 2009 7:06 am

    Swemson,
    “And as much as I like you, I’m beginning to think that you’re far too “Moderate” if that’s the right word, to truly understand HOW ugly, evil and dangerous what’s going on in our great country really is right now…”

    Thank you my friend. I do have centrist and moderate tendencies which I won’t apologize for. On my conservative chessboard analogy I consider myself a Knight. You would be a Rook. Therefore it’s your responsibility for you to push me when I’m not going far enough and for me to calm you down when you go too far.

    “but we clealy see things from a different angle…”

    This is a good thing. Maybe if we see things from different angles we’ll get a more complete, accurate picture. Multiple angles are necessary.

    “I was talking ONLY about the members, like me, who read what you guys write & then discuss it here…

    Yes.. I think a lot more of US, think Obama is a traitor than you might think…”

    Thinking doesn’t make it so. And the fact that large numbers of people think something doesn’t make it true. Here’s a comparison you’ll appreciate: last time I saw the stats majorities in this country believed in creationism and angels. So people can think what they want. It doesn’t mean that the map they’ve drawn in their head is an accurate representation of the territory.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_map_is_not_the_territory

    • Swemson permalink
      September 25, 2009 10:26 am

      David;

      Did he sell the nuclear codes to China or Russia… probably not… But treason takes in more than specific acts such as that..

      He took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States….

      He was lying when he said “I do”… (there’s a crime right there… it’s called Perjury)

      And now he’s deliberately dismantling the Constitution that he swore an oath to protect…

      To me, that’s just about the ultimate form of treason….

      If you want to use a different word to describe that fine… But if a deliberate attempt to destroy our country isn’t treason, then I don’t know what is…

      • September 25, 2009 7:47 pm

        Treason has a specific definition.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

        It’s a legal term for specific actions, not beliefs.

        And shouldn’t be thrown around willy-nilly and made to have a definition so broad that you can ensnare all your political opponents in it.

        What you’re doing is you’re taking a negative word and expanding its definition to suit your rhetorical objectives of attacking Obama.

        “And now he’s deliberately dismantling the Constitution that he swore an oath to protect…”

        How? By expanding the size of government to include this new health care plan? Hell, if that’s your definition then Bush committed “Treason” too. The problem with what you’re doing is you’re making “Treason” such a wide net that all of our politicians will fall into it.

        “Dismantling the constitution”… Give me a break. The constitution can’t be “dismantled” by a sitting President. Have a little faith in this system of government that the founders created.

        • Luis Vazquez permalink
          September 25, 2009 9:55 pm

          Mr. Swindle: I am the outsider in this discussion, so I will like to be instructed about what “circumventing the Cosntitution” means.

          If the meaning is VIOLATING IT, then it is TREASON, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.

          Obama has clearly circumvented the CONSTITUTION SEVERAL TIMES, ONE BEING THE INVENTION OF THE CZARS POSTS, TO AVOID THEIR DULY EXAMINATION
          BY THE SENATE.

  20. September 25, 2009 3:15 pm

    What an excellent post! And the following dialogue and side-tracked comments that followed were such a good read, as well. I was especially pleased to read so many comments on the “global warming” hype.

    David, I’m starting to understand you more. Swemson, I’m with you on both impeachment and treasonous acts — lying and misrepresenting legislation to the American population is illegal and a felony, at a minimum.

    How many readers/viewers believe Obama should be impeached? The site might consider setting up a poll. This site has the ability to tally up the numbers.

    • September 25, 2009 8:03 pm

      Lynn,
      Thanks for your comments. For more about understanding me:
      http://booksindepth.blogspot.com/2009/07/david-horowitzs-conservatism-postmodern.html
      http://frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=35212
      http://www.frontpagemag.com/bioAuthor.aspx?AUTHID=3898

      I appreciate your patriotism and your enthusiasm. I just think you should focus it more effectively. We need to make sure that in criticizing Obama we’re not sounding the way leftists who criticized Bush did. And talk of crimes and treason and impeachment fall into this category.

      Didn’t the Right learn anything from trying to impeach Clinton? How on earth could we impeach Obama with minorities in the House and Senate? PRAGMATISM my friends. Do what works.

      • September 26, 2009 3:43 am

        David, I’ll check out those links over the weekend. I did travel over to your blog.

        I agree with the strong criticisms of Obama — we don’t want or need to represent ourselves as repetitious fools with no substance. However, when there is evidence that is mounting against Obama, it will only be a matter of time before he is investigated. Will it be a show or a bonafide investigation? Look who surrounds him.

        However, we already see division within the Democratic leaders over the health care issue. How many Dems are willing to sacrifice their careers by aligning with an increasingly unpopular “Obamacare”? As more and more voting citizens voice criticisms with the Obama adminstration, I believe we will see more and more distancing of our Democratic legislators. The majority are not far-left, nor will they be forced there.

        I do understand your thoughts on a possible impeachment, but without the ability to try a guilty person of crimes committed, we are little more than hostages to the alleged criminal. Think of our history’s past and how difficult the trials were for Mob bosses. Eventually, truth won and justice prevailed.

        The difficulties to impeach Obama may be close to insurmountable, but the effect of such a stance would be powerful. Remember the man inside the Obama Machine is full of flaws and his egotistic narcissism is his own worst enemy. When he loses his “audience” and is viewed as unfavorable, he will self-destruct. We already see his anger increasing. When he is found to be in collusion with ACORN and Soros, his popularity will drop significantly. Will the story and guilty be investigated deeply, or will there be an ACORNgate?

        • jbtrevor permalink
          September 26, 2009 4:53 am

          Lynn, Look at it this way – 2 points.

          1. With Obama in the Whitehouse, the term “useful idiot” comes to mind. He’s not an idiot, but he’s very useful in pointing out the danger of expanding central Government control. I email converse with a “liberal Democrat” that I met in the chat room of our local newspaper. Our conversations have gone from heated exchanges defending our positions to her realizing how dangerous and fragile our individual & states rights are and seeing alternative solutions to problems other than the Government. She now is hungry for more information, that would not have happened had Obama not been in the Whitehouse.

          At no time in my history have people in the political middle and right (and some middle-left) come together for a common cause; saving our country and it’s founding principles. If we get rid of the man that symbolizes CENTRAL Government control; we lose a very powerful tool/icon. It’s < 4 years.

          Since impeachment proceedings have to come from congress and the majority of congress is on Obama's side (altho that's changing) I think it a waste of time and a distraction. If the Democrat controlled congress couldn't muster up the courage to initiate feckless impeachment proceedings against George W. Bush; the man they and their constituents hated; they sure as heck aren't going to start them against Obama.

          2. Be careful what you ask for, you might get it: President Joe Biden – ugh!

          Your thoughts?
          Julie

          • September 26, 2009 12:06 pm

            Judy Polls show that people are, indeed, leaving the Dem party and/or are questioning the “liberal” mindset (a complete misnomer) — finding a ‘convert’ is not that difficult at this time. But to tout growing GOP numbers by crediting Obama and his radical-leftist ideologies disguised as Democratic is dangerous.

            Impeachment proceedings may not yield the removal of Obama from office, but such actions would warrant a more somber tone and would send a serious warning to that self-serving annointed Marxist sitting in the Oval Office. Impeachment proceedings are justified and the realization of events now taking place, in addition to the conspiratorial issues from within the Obama administration make this an important consideration. (And unlike Bush, there is increasing evidence).

            I do not believe Congress is more aligned with Obama than with their own agenda and their own need for their political careers.

            I believe you are mistaken about who-is-who. The “useful idiot” isn’t Obama, it’s Biden. Why do you think he was chosen as the VP candidate?

        • September 26, 2009 6:56 am

          Lynn,
          I don’t think Obama has broken any laws yet. That’s what impeachment is all about – removing someone who has broken laws, not getting rid of a president who proposes bad policies.

          The country doesn’t need another Lewinsky/Whitewater style investigation. It was bad for the country then and it’d be bad for the country today. If Obama REALLY does something illegal (Watergate type stuff) then by all means, but let’s not encourage investigations which are basically fishing trips looking for stuff.

          -D

          • September 26, 2009 12:29 pm

            David, I didn’t care a fig about the Lewinsky/Clinton affair. It was trite and a public embarrassment for our Nation.

            Impeachment is a judicial process, stated as such in the Constitution. Impeachment is a procedure based on misconduct of a public official, and it does not signify absolute guilt but does require an investigative process to be pursued through Congress.

            Obama should be impeached. There are many issues which bring misconduct into question. It’s not a matter of “bad policies”, as you put it. Not only is Obama deceptive to the American people in alluding that he has our best interest at heart, but he and his administration conspire to withhold truthful statements regarding their Marxist agenda.

            The Obama administration is not forthcoming with government data and has pushed their power over government officials, including the CBO, to re-state financial analysis regarding future healthcare costs to America.

            The Obama administration is presenting false information on our economy in relation to employment, housing, and banking figures.

            The Obama administration has submitted a ‘gag order’ on Humana, a corporate insurance firm that publicly stated information that was incriminating to the proposed “Obamacare”.

            The Obama administration has taken over private corporations using taxpayer money.

            Aside from these and other actions and misdeeds, on larger scale – the issue that I am concerned with – is that the Obama administration is conspiring to subvert our Nation and collapse our American economy.

            Currently, Obama and his administration have knowingly misrepresented proposed healthcare legislation to America. Tens of millions have witnessed this since he is televising his image daily now, although Obama is not convincing people, he is alienating most. The more public he is, the more he self-incriminates.

            So we have an American President who knowingly lies, has allowed unconstitutional business events to occur on more than several occasions, and misrepresents future government programs that will directly affect every American except those in the Executive and Legislative Branches. How convenient.

            Do you dare say that Americans should allow this misconduct for our top office? Are we really THAT apathetic? Or “tolerant”?

            With all of this, and a guarantee that there will be a great deal more in the future, an overly naive idea that we might get to ‘nudge him’ to the Center is astounding.

            For one, there is that narcissistic ego that Obama has. “Let me be clear”…. he will not succumb to nudging or suggestions.

            Obama is a liar. He is divisive and his arrogance and misconduct must be challenged. Obama is guilty of repeatedly lying to Americans, the most recent incident involved his lack of knowledge regarding the Federal funding to ACORN. Obama’s repeated lies regarding personal and political associations with corrupt ACORN prior to and during his campaign, and after he was elected to the Presidential office should be sufficient to warrant impeachment.

            David, if you really believe Obama is innocent (ie not corrupt) and only has “bad policies”, please start researching the ties between Obama, the “non profits”, and the various advisory boards and individuals and their total interconnections with one another. The interconnections with these groups yields vast supplies of money that can be funneled back and forth. This brings about enormous power. Case in point – the testimony on the Waxman-Markey Bill where the majority of those who testified were all interconnected, but there were no disclaimers stating such. The same groups sit on the Economic Recovery Advisory Board, USCAP, and each of these are repeatedly assigned board seats inside all of the “non profits” and “research” groups. They all put forward their input and get the benefits of repeating that same input across the board. Was the American public or our Congressional leaders given this information, though? Where there disclaimers stating that all of these organizations are essentially one-in-the-same? Of course not. Check out the interconnections which has served the Waxman-Markey Bill on “Cap and Trade” and see how interconnected these groups all are. The organizations are mirror-images of one another like the Pew Center and the USCAP. Why is this? To propel the “Cap and Trade” legislation into law through substantiated across the board approval.

            An enormous agenda-based set of “policy” changes are in play to bring Americans to their knees in subservience and compliance. The policies will bring forward more taxes and more regulations that will economically devastate American workers and what remains of the industries that we still have in America.

            There is much more going on, David, than “bad policies”. The ObamaMachine has specific programs in alignment to bring down the American economy to a level where the ObamaMachine can move into a complete takeover.

            Sounds like conspiracy, doesn’t it? Well, it is. And those who are guilty of conspiring in the destruction of our Nation and our U.S. Constitution can be held accountable through impeachment.

            I stand by my statement.

            • September 26, 2009 2:24 pm

              In my judgment as someone with a degree in political science I don’t think Obama has done anything right now that would warrant being impeached. The fact that mainstream conservative opponents of Obama are not talking about impeachment is further evidence of this. If you have op/eds written by mainstream conservatives that argue that Obama has done things worthy of impeachment and that Republicans should move toward impeachment then I’d be interested in reading them. I don’t think you’ll find many and there’s a reason for that.

              And you and all the other “Impeach the treasonous Obama” type commenters are ignoring the FACT that Conservatives have been successful in killing the public option. That is evidence that Obama can be moved toward the center from time to time if only out of political necessity.

            • Swemson permalink
              September 26, 2009 4:01 pm

              LYNN:

              BRAVO ! Every word you say is true…

              David:

              The reason that you haven’t heard any mainstream conservatives talking about impeachment yet, is that they’re playing in HIS ballpark, and they know that with the supermajority THEY have in congress, that there’s no way in hell that such a movement could possibly gain any attraction right now…

              I think they’re lying doggo for the present until something big breaks that gives them the clout with the public to make their move, knowing that they’ll be backed up by the tea party folks who’ll flock to DC, and surround the White House bearing signs demanding impeachment and just stay there till he’s gone…..

              What might happen that could set that off… ?

              Oh.. I don’t know… Perhaps some clever financial investigator will find evidence of ACORN kicking back a piece of its taxpayer money to the scum in congress who sent it their way…

          • Swemson permalink
            September 26, 2009 2:19 pm

            Obama hasn’t broken any laws David?

            Forgetting the most obvious one for the moment, perjury, how about TAKING ownership of the car companies, away from the owners, and GIVING it to the unions as a payoff ?

            Isn’t that unconstitutional ?

            Doesn’t the violation of our Constitution qualify as an UNLAWFUL act ?

            • September 26, 2009 3:07 pm

              He hasn’t committed perjury. When has he given testimony in a trial that has been a lie?

              Passing a policy or bill that the courts find unconstitutional is not “breaking the law” and is not an impeachment worthy offense.

              No, violation of the Constitution through passing a policy which turns out to be unconstitutional does not quality as an unlawful act.

            • Swemson permalink
              September 26, 2009 4:36 pm

              David asks:

              “He hasn’t committed perjury. When has he given testimony in a trial that has been a lie?”

              When the Chief Justice asked him if he swore “to preserve protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States” he had his hand on the bible when he said “I DO”

              LYING while under oath is PERJURY !

              PERJURY – When a person, having taken an oath before a competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the U.S. authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration, deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true; or in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be true; 18 USC

              Let’s wait to see if other members agree with me or not…

            • Swemson permalink
              September 26, 2009 4:39 pm

              Perjury doesn’t HAVE to occur in a courtroom David.

              People commit perjury when testifying to congress ALL the time…

            • September 26, 2009 4:46 pm

              You and I both know that in the legal sense of the word he hasn’t committed perjury. You could never convict him of any of this in court.

              The thing you don’t seem to be getting is that “perjury” and “treason” are legal terms with specific legal definitions. And you’re talking about the general definitions, not the legal definitions. That’s the problem in our disucssion here. We’re going by different definitions of the terms.

            • Swemson permalink
              September 26, 2009 5:18 pm

              David;

              Semantics be damned…

              We’re talking about the single most EVIL person in the history of America, who represents the biggest threat to our freedom and liberty since Hitler and the Soviet Union….

              If you don’t see and understand THAT… then whatever words we use to make our points are meaningless and the discussion is moot.

            • September 26, 2009 5:27 pm

              “We’re talking about the single most EVIL person in the history of America”

              Wow, Swemson. Yeah, I don’t see and understand that.

              I see a politician proposing some bad policies and taking the country in a bad direction. I don’t see the American Antichrist who’s the “Worst Person in the World!!!!!” Don’t want to start sounding like Olbermann or the Left, now. They use similar language to describe Bush.

              Might want to calm down a bit, my friend.

              Impeachment and being tried for treason are LEGAL proceeding so unfortunately for you the LEGAL definitions are what matter if you want something to happen.

            • Swemson permalink
              September 26, 2009 6:02 pm

              David…

              Look at it this way… He’s a charismatic president, who totally deceived the electorate into believing the opposite of the truth about him, his background, and political philosophy..

              He tricked the country into believing that he had the ability and the intention of fixing American’s problems that he claimed were caused 100% by the right, but which actually were caused by the left (at least 90% anyway)..

              And now, after betraying the trust of everyone, including our troops and our allies, he’s actively engaged in dismantling our entire system and way of life so that he can replace it with a totalitarian system with him on the throne…

              Tell me who, in the history of America, ever even TRIED to do something that evil….

              I don’t think you can come up with a name…

              And before comparing my extremism to someone like Olberman’s, remember one thing… Almost everything he said about Bush was either untrue, or a distortion of the truth.. And while you may not agree with my terminology when I call him a traitor and perjurer, everything I’ve said about Obama is true….

              Don’t knit-pick what I write looking for typos or subtle differences in the meaning of my words… look at the big picture here, and tell me who’s been a bigger threat to America than our new messiah…

    • Luis Vazquez permalink
      September 25, 2009 9:14 pm

      Lynn: Count me among them.

  21. Luis Vazquez permalink
    September 25, 2009 9:12 pm

    I don’t know why Obama reminds me of Fidel Castro in every way.

    One of them is that they always find a goat to blame as an excuse to do their things.

    One example is: CASTRO STILL BLAMES FULGENCIO BATISTA, EVEN AFTER 50 YEARS OF HIS OWN FAILURES, AND OBAMA IS BLAMING BUSH TO HIDE EVERYTHING THAT HE DOES WRONG.

    Another example is that he is also following the same path for indoctrinating children. Before we know it, those 6 years old boys and girls will be wearing red scalfs around their necks AND CHANTING “WE WILL BE LIKE CHE GUEVARA”.

  22. September 26, 2009 10:16 am

    Luis… You’ve got some ‘splaining to do…

    “Swemson: Is it possible that Mr. Swindle still believes in Fairy tales?

    I bet he still believes that Fidel Castro could be brought to the side of democracy, if only we let him have everything he asks from us.”

    • Luis Vazquez permalink
      September 26, 2009 10:35 am

      David: What is there to explain?

      If you believe that Obama can be brought to the CENTER, you can believe in anything.

      Haven’t you read the writings of Mr. Horowitz?

      Of course you have, but you choose to ignore that this man, OBAMA, was bred and reared to do what he is doing.

      No way in the world he would ever be anything but a hard core leftist with a design; Implement SOCIALISM (I prefer to call it COMMUNISM) in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

      • September 26, 2009 10:43 am

        You do understand that I’m writing a book on David Horowitz’s writings and that he hired me to manage this blog don’t you? So don’t be telling me that I don’t know or understand his writings. I think you’re the one that should probably read them. Read “The Art of Political War” and “How to Beat the Democrats.” He talks about practical political strategies in there.

        And you understand that on this point (of trying to nudge Obama more toward the centrist agenda he ran on) this is the general consensus across the Conservative Movement of how to engage Obama. We articulate a more moderate agenda for him to embrace. It’s been working on health care and will work with other issues.

        What’s your strategy if not to try and nudge Obama toward the center? What does Luis think the Right should do?

        • Luis Vazquez permalink
          September 26, 2009 3:24 pm

          Mr. Swindle: I never doubted that you are an expert on politics, and I know I know nothing about the subject, except that I have lived thru an era when the wrong strategies have caused The United States suffer some very demolishing defeats, and we were he victims.

          REMEMBER, KENNEDY WAS A POLITICAL GENIUS SURROUNDED BY OTHERS LIKE HIM, AND YET THEY WERE ALL BEATEN BY CASTRO AND KHURUSCHEV, because they thought they knew every thing in politics. Only they didn’t know anything about the minds of the HARD CORE COMMUNISTS.

          I only maintain the opinion, based on past experiences, that 95 times out of one hundred, ideologies prevail in the individuals. (Not every one is David Horowitz or Eudocio Ravines)

          Obama could fool anybody pretending that he has steered to the right, just to avoid a pothole on the left, but so far he has come back to his original position on the extreme left side of the political road time and again.

          • September 26, 2009 3:37 pm

            Repeating my question:
            “What’s your strategy if not to try and nudge Obama toward the center? What does Luis think the Right should do?”

          • Swemson permalink
            September 26, 2009 4:51 pm

            Luis;

            Kennedy was no political genius….

            His brother bobby may have had such delusions of grandeur, but not Jack…

            Jack was smart, courageous, charismatic, and had great taste in women (unlike Cliton)…

            But the only true political genius in those days was LBJ… nobody has had such a mastery of the art of politics since LBJ until Cliton.. of course being a master in politics does NOT mean that one is a good or honorable human being…

            • Luis Vazquez permalink
              September 26, 2009 7:31 pm

              Swemson: I have to confess; I WAS USING SOME DEGREE OF SARCASM WHEN I CALLED THEM “GENIUSES”.

              The fact is that the russians and the cubans showed the world that he was just A JACKASS, WHO BECAME PRESIDENT BECAUSE HIS FATHER WAS A MASTER OF TRICKERY.

              Same as Obama, who is only following the teachings of Saul Alinsky and the directives of George Shwarts, Alias George Soros.

        • Luis Vazquez permalink
          September 26, 2009 8:07 pm

          David: I never said or implied that you do not know or understand the writings of Mr. Horowitz.
          I said that you “CHOOSE TO IGNORE THEM”.

          And let me say this: I agree with you in almost every thing you say, but not in all of them.

          • September 27, 2009 6:53 am

            Anyone who understands them cannot ignore them. What am I ignoring?

            No need to agree on everything.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 26, 2009 3:43 pm

      Got that covered already, old buddy…

  23. September 27, 2009 5:09 am

    David,
    I expected a more solid answer than what you provided, but that’s okay.

    Who’s watching op/eds when we have Congressional leaders involved in the beginning stages of laying the groundwork? The GOP is actively engaged in proving that Obama has ties with illegal activities.

    Come on, David…get with the facts and do some research!

    Here’s one example:
    Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California, the ranking Republican on the House Committee on Government Oversight and Reform, authored a report entitled “Is ACORN Intentionally Structured As a Criminal Enterprise?”

    On page 5 of that report, it states: “Documents provided by former ACORN employees and contained in this report demonstrate the degree to which ACORN and ACORN affiliates organized to elect President Barack Obama in 2008.”

    Report can be read here:
    http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/media/pdfs/20090723ACORNReport.pdf

    PS, And David, as a helpful hint, it might be better to refrain from bringing your “education” to the conversation. Such a statement can be viewed in one of two ways: a ‘pissing contest’ or a Sotomayoresque way of bringing your own style of ‘wisdom’ to the debate, neither of which are necessary or professional. I’m sure your bio has both of these things covered and a large portion of the readers here do check facts and research. Many conservatives simply will not engage in that type of frivolity, myself included. But you will see this as you engage more and more with those of us who aren’t far-left. TTYL

    • September 27, 2009 6:37 am

      Thanks for the hint Lynn. I guess it is irrelevant to this discussion that I spent years studying political science and how the US government works. My bad. One needn’t have a degree in political science to analyze and understand these things, but it certainly helps.

      You do understand that doing facts and research is pretty much what I do all day? I’ve asked you to present your compelling facts and research that Obama has done something impeachment-worthy or that any mainstream conservative has advocated this strategy for dealing with him. You’ve been unable to do so yet.

      And I don’t appreciate the somewhat ad hominem, condescending tone you’re taking as though I’m ignorant. Come on, we’re on the same side here. Do you want to influence me and the way I edit this blog or not? Because if you continue in this fashion then you’re heading toward the latter and I’ll just move on to more fruitful tasks and discussions.

      • Luis Vazquez permalink
        September 27, 2009 9:10 pm

        Mr Swindle: We all agree that you hold the “axes” and can chop anybody from this thread, but it doesn’t mean that you hold all “aces”.

        Chamberlain was a very intelligent politician with a very high intellect, but was wrong about Hitler, when he believed he could convince the Fhurer to come to terms with England.

        Just like Roosevelt and Churchill, two of the greatest men and politicians of the Twentieth Century, were wrong when they tried to convince Stalin to to treat the Eastern Europe countries with dignity, and gave him everything he wanted.

        To say that “YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE SOME THINGS” does not mean that you are “AN IGNORANT”, and by saying that OBAMA could be brought to the Center, you pass by what Mr. Horowitz and others have revealed about him.

        • September 27, 2009 9:57 pm

          You have not understood my comments.

  24. September 27, 2009 7:18 am

    David, you’re digging a deeper hole. And there are a number of members in Congress who ARE laying groundwork. Unless this blog post is wiped, it will stand to prove the points people are making about Obama. I gave you a very clear example and will not waste time providing more input unless there is more than rhetoric and personal b.s. from you. Truly, if you want to be considered as a serious peer here, you’ve got to present more than rhetoric or a wikipedia link. You sit and research all day? Show us what you’ve got….

    BTW, I’m not sure we are really on “the same side” as you word it. Anyone who believes that Obama can be nudged into a center-left position should be challenged. You have been, but I don’t see where you are up for that challenge. Give us your facts. If this is your hypothesis, prove it. You have not provided any compelling facts, either, just your opinion.

    Perhaps if the pissing contest were not the lead into your last response to me, there would have been a better response. The probability of many readers being well educated is high. The probability that many readers here are accomplished is also high. I guess in time you will learn these things but I think you are too green at this point. BTW, I have multiple science/math degrees and more than 30 years experience as a writer and analyst. And I know all-too-well how the US government works. I am ex-DHS.

    Sheesh, David, you remind me of my eldest son…I’m hearing argument and position, but nothing else. Show me your smarts, David.

    • September 27, 2009 8:25 am

      “Show me your smarts, David.”
      You’ve given me no motivation to. You’ve disrespected and insulted me. Compare and contrast the way Swemson — who’s demonstrated he’s a friend and can disagree without being disagreeable — engaged me on this point compared with the ad hominem you unleashed.

      I suggest you read the commenting guidelines which I wrote for this blog if you want to continue participating. (I am the blog’s editor you know, right?.) I’m withdrawing from this discussion.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 27, 2009 12:21 pm

      Lynn;

      Even though I agree with you that David’s idea of nudging Obama is silly and naive, David is right to be offended by your style…

      Waving your degrees around trying to add legitimacy to your argument is pretty pathetic, and only goes to show how arrogant and pompous some members of the intelligentsia can be…

      If I may take a little poetic license from an old saying….

      Those who can do, do. Those who can’t do, write about and analyze what the doers are doing.

      • September 27, 2009 12:37 pm

        Thanks.

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