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Islam: Never an anti-Semitic Faith?

September 24, 2009

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Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, the renowned U.S. writer and broadcaster, was on Anderson Cooper 360 last night, discussing his noble and admirable activism against Ahmadinejad’s and Gadhafi’s visit to the United States.

The Rabbi was involved in demonstrations outside the U.N., and he also had helped to block plans for Gadhafi to set up a tent on the grounds of a Libyan compound next door to his home in Englewood, N.J.

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach’s pronouncements against Ahmadinejad on Cooper’s program were superb and to the point. He should be applauded and commended.

But the Rabbi made a curious comment while denouncing Ahmadinejad and calling for Muslims worldwide to shun him. He said: “Islam was never an anti-Semitic faith.”

Is this really so?

If Islam was never an anti-Semitic faith, I would like to ask the following:

Why was the Muslim Brotherhood’s founder, Hassan al-Banna, a devout admirer of Adolf Hitler? Why did the Nazis help create al-Banna’s organization? And why, by the end of World II, did the Muslim Brotherhood have a half million Arab Nazis as members?

Why did the grand mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, meet with Hitler on November 28, 1941 and request Nazi assistance in engineering a Middle Eastern Final Solution?

Why, for Sayyid Qutb, an Islamist Godfather, did the Jews represent the “eternal enemy” of Islam?

Why is Mein Kampf circulated so widely in the Muslim world? Why is it a bestseller among Palestinians?

Could the answer be connected to the Koran attributing many negative characteristics to Jews, especially falsehood and distortion (Suras 3:71 and 4:46), and teaching that Jews are cursed by Allah and are his enemies? (Suras 2:61–58 and 5:78–82)

Could it all have something to do with the Koran’s teaching that Allah was so disgusted with Jews that he transformed them into apes and pigs? (Suras 5:60–65, 2:65, and 7:166)

If Islam was never an anti-Semitic faith, why did the Prophet Mohammed teach Jew-hatred explicitly by example. He commanded his followers:

“Kill any Jew that falls into your power.” [Ibn Ishaq, Siratul Rasul, v. 553]

In his later years, Mohammed himself persecuted Jews and sanctioned the killing of the males of large Jewish tribes, notably in the brutal massacre of the Jewish tribe Banu Qurayza. Mohammed ratified a judgment that saw as many as nine hundred men from this tribe beheaded, their decapitated corpses buried in a pit while he looked on.

Scholar Andrew Bostom has thoroughly documented all of these realities in The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism: From Sacred Texts to Solemn History.

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, you are a man of great integrity and courage. We support and admire your valiant efforts and pronouncements against tyrants like Gadhafi and Ahmadinejad. But could you kindly answer these questions and explain your statement?

As the editor of Frontpage Magazine, I invite you to our magazine to have a dialogue on this issue. And I invite Muslim and non-Muslim scholars to join us. Reach me at jglazov@rogers.com.

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60 Comments
  1. th3cow permalink
    September 24, 2009 2:08 am

    I guess there is a need for a lot of dis-indoctrination work to be done on these clueless Jews who believe in the peaceful nature of Islam.

    Islam is inherently anti-semitic. It is plain and crystal clear to any one who bothers reading the Quran and other Islamic scriptures.

    In my book / blog (http://th3cow.wordpress.com), I only needed to review Sura 2 (The Cow), to demonstrate Islam ant-semitic nature.

    • Thomas Hibbard permalink
      September 24, 2009 9:09 am

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      • th3cow permalink
        October 2, 2009 3:38 am

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    • September 24, 2009 10:09 am

      There are also many clueless non Jews – everyone needs to learn the facts about Islam, whatever their own faith, or lack of it.

      It is true that Jews, because of our own experience in having our faith maligned, may be more reluctant than many to point the finger at another religion.

      That said, I’m Jewish, and I have no problem in recognising Islam as a racist, sexist, supremacist ideology.

      http://www.ajewwithaview.com/?page_id=14

  2. learnquranonline1 permalink
    September 24, 2009 5:03 am

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    Islam is the religion of peace and The word “Islam” itself means “Submission to Allah.” The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of “Christianity” which was named after Jesus Christ, “Buddhism” after Gutama Buddha , “Marxism” after Karl Marx, and “Confucianism” after Confucius.
    Similarly, Islam is not named after a tribe like “Judaism” after the tribe of Judah and “Hinduism” after the Hindus. The Arabic word “Islam” means the submission or surrender of one’s will to the will of the only true god worthy of worship, “Allah” (known as God “the Father” in Christianity).
    And Mosks are the place where we do our prayers
    “Whoever builds a Masjid, seeking Allah’s pleasure; Allah will build for him a similar place in Paradise.” (Al-Bukhari)
    “Do you know who will go first on the Day of Resurrection to the shade of Allah? Those who when given what is right accept it, when asked for something give freely and who judge in favour of others as they do for themselves.” (Tirmidhi)

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    • September 24, 2009 7:42 am

      Of all the religions you mention – “Christianity” which was named after Jesus Christ, “Buddhism” after Gutama Buddha , “Marxism” after Karl Marx, and “Confucianism” after Confucius” – only Christianity worships Jesus Christ, after whom it is founded. The statement of faith by Mohammedans, however, is that “God is god and Mohammed is his prophet.” A difference from the Nicene Creed, but not a lot.
      No Buddhist says that “Buddha is the prophet” – Buddhism, in any case, is agnostic or atheist. Marxism is not a religion and there are no prayers of Marxists which mention Marx; nor is Confucianism a religion.

    • gsw permalink
      September 24, 2009 8:06 am

      @learnquranonline1 Re: “Islam is the religion of peace and The word “Islam” itself means “Submission to Allah.”

      Have read the book. It clearly states that Islam is the religion of truce – not peace. As, for example, in the invasion of Mecca.

      For male muslims, it means submission to allah.
      For female muslims, it means submission to men.
      For the rest of us – who do not believe that allah even exists – let alone actually worship him – it means submission to a corrupt ideology based on apartheid and fascism.

      No thank you. I prefer my independence and submission only to my own conscience.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 24, 2009 11:02 am

      Islam doesn’t just hate the jews… it hates everyone who doesn’t bow down to their brutal & ignorant 7th century code of laws & behavior…

      They hate jews a bit more because it was the jews who have humiliated and embarrassed them so completely in the last 60 years…

      Even if they were not violent to non-believers, they would still be pariahs because of their treatment of their own women…

      Islam is no longer a religion, it’s a mental disease

    • Leonardo permalink
      September 24, 2009 7:58 pm

      If Allah is the same God worshiped by the Christians (“the Father”) myself being one of them, why is He never referred to by muslims or the Koran as the God of Israel which is one of God’s major titles in the Old Testament of the Holy Bible? Muslims worship the God of Israel? Why is it that God loves the Jews and has promised them their land (the land of Israel) for eternity but the muslims are so hostile and violent towards them? Why is it that God in the Holy Bible loves the world but love is a concept that is absent in the Koran’s Allah? Allah is a false, fraudulent god, is another personification of Satan whose mission is to steal, kill and destroy (doesn’t that sound a lot like Islam’s goals?). If Allah and God the Father are one and the same why are former muslims sentenced to death if they dare leave Islam to follow Jesus, the son of God (also the Koran says that God/Allah has no son). For Allah and God to be the same, they sure sound diametrically opposed to me.

      • Eva permalink
        September 25, 2009 6:07 am

        I couldn’t agree more. That is exactly what I thought when I read that God and Allah were the same. You are right on the mark.

    • ronald simon permalink
      September 25, 2009 4:05 am

      I can’t believe This is in this newsletter. O son’t know to much about confusius,but I know confusius is not a religion. Now lets take Buddaism, is not names Gatama name, budda means enlighen one,it is not a proper name. Now jesus christ. Christ is not may I repeat IS NOT Jesuses last name. Christ is a title meaning messiah or annointed one. and again Hinduism is not names of any indiviuals or tribe. In the time of the romans the gentiles called the people jews and thir religion really didn’t have a name,for the jews worshipped the God who had no name, the jewish God was so enourmist they couldn’t speak his name not like allah that makes allah a limited god and a god made up by one mans imagination.

      Whoever is the person who said this really needs to learn more about these other religion before he espouse Islam means submission to allah and allah says kill jews and infediels. This person needs to learn his religions before he critizes others religion. God I hate stupid people and the muslim who made this comment is truly ignorant and stands on the edge of stupitity

    • Walt permalink
      October 8, 2009 9:54 pm

      Sorry, try spreading that elsewhere. Many of us have read that book, as well as the hadiths, etc. Also, you might ask yourself what “submission” means. It does not have pleasant connotations. In addition, Allah thought so little of Mohammed that he would not even address him directly, but only through an angel. Islam in the end is a product of recycling, and the best parts of Judaism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and even Paganism were lost in the process. lslam is what Spam is to a Honey Baked Ham, namely a poorly adulterated copy of something much better

  3. Cynic permalink
    September 24, 2009 5:26 am

    In reacting against Ahmadinejad or Gadhafi while seemingly denying the involvement of the Islamic culture is it possible that he has entrenched himself so deeply in the PC multiculti diversity culture of the entertainment world that he cannot bring himself to accept facts that go against their dogma?
    While dispensing psychotherapy to all and sundry it appears that he needs some help getting out of his cognitive dissonance hole.

  4. Bear permalink
    September 24, 2009 6:35 am

    If you bother to study the history of Islam, you would know that the hatred of Jews predates the creation of Islam by thousands of years. This hatred goes back to Ishmael and the founding of Mecca as a trading/religious center. Jews were never allowed to enter Mecca! The hatred of Jews by the Arabic people is almost genetic because it has existed for such a long time. Since the center of Islamic life was and still is the Arabian Penninsula, that hatred naturally attached itself to the founder of Islam. It is ironic that Muhammed and his followers owed their lives to the Jewish tribes that controlled Medina. He was offered protection by those Jewish tribes when he was forced out of Mecca. He rewarded their generosity by slaughtering them!

  5. jbtrevor permalink
    September 24, 2009 6:48 am

    Jaime, make sure we get a heads up if he responds – I’d be interested in hearing what he has to say on the matter. I’m assuming you are contacting him directly.
    Julie

  6. BIG IRISH permalink
    September 24, 2009 6:58 am

    ISLAM not anti-semitic????…and ISLAM does not create suicide bombers – murders -liars – terrorists – slaughter – rapists – thieves…..oh yes the “religion of peace”…ISLAM=EVIL

  7. carterthewriter permalink
    September 24, 2009 7:20 am

    One can use religion to support a cause by taken its teaching out of context to satify a narcissitic desire to gain power and become the chosen one.

    It is only the direction you take and at who’s expenditure that is a concern for the rest of us.

    • September 24, 2009 10:06 am

      To ‘carterthewriter’:

      But nobody is taking Islamic hatred of Jews ‘out of context’. The hatred is there, in the Quran, in black and white.

      Here in the UK, we’ve also had numerous examples of Imams preaching hatred towards ALL non Muslims, in London mosques.

      Islam teaches hatred for non Muslims. It’s as simple as that.

      • carterthewriter permalink
        September 24, 2009 10:42 am

        Sorry, I meant leaders such as Irans who use religion to maintain power and credibility. They portray themselves humble, peaceloving under an umbrella, so to speak.

        This explains cults; such as the Jamestown one that used religion to enslave a group of lost souls. Eventually, they end tragically, but take innocent lives with them along the way.

      • Walt permalink
        October 8, 2009 9:59 pm

        The problem is that it is not out of context or limited to certain times and places. Anti-semtism and the loathing of unbelievers in general pervades Islam’s ideology.

  8. sorry to scared permalink
    September 24, 2009 8:05 am

    Islam–the religion of peace will kill you if you leave the religion of peace. period.

    Mohammed—the pedophile (married aisha at 6 years and had her at 9years)

    Mohammed– INCEST (married his adopted son’s wife) Really F–Ked up

    Mohammed– Sex Slave–had sex with this slave girl the same day he had her father and brother beheaded

    Mohammed–Sent his goons to kill the women poet who dared to critique her, his followers tore her from limb to limb while she was breasting feeding her baby

    This is the man muslims uphold to their highest moral value. Something is terribly wrong with the muslim mind.

    http://www.faithfreedom.org
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
    http://www.thethirdjihad.com

  9. Paul Cooper permalink
    September 24, 2009 8:20 am

    To add to your argument:
    In some Muslim countries where they ban Christian material – the film The Passion of the Christ was widely shown and promoted. Why? They believed the US media that the film was anti-Jewish.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 24, 2009 8:07 pm

      Interesting point !

  10. September 24, 2009 8:56 am

    Boteach is a charming careerist, nothing more. After he ingratiated himself with Michael Jackson I stopped taking him seriously.

  11. September 24, 2009 10:04 am

    Superb post.

    Islam is inherently an anti Jewish ideology. There can be no doubt over this. In the Quran, Jews are described repeatedly in the most insulting terms. Terrorist group Hamas cites the Quran in its Charter when it declares that the hour will come when all Muslims must ‘kill all Jews’. It’s no coincidence that Islamic terrorist groups whose aim is to destroy Israel, cite the Islamic holy text!

    One massive problem is that Israel has such dire PR:
    http://www.ajewwithaview.com/?p=720

  12. Lily of France permalink
    September 24, 2009 1:43 pm

    I’m a Roman Catholic from the island of Samoa located in the South Pacific. My people descend from the tribe of Joseph. Christianity is the major religion there. I have met some peaceful and loving muslims and the same with other cultures and religions. My point is simple: There is one author of evil and that is the Father of Lies: Lucifer/Satan himself. He has veiled himself behind every religion, culture, human race – some more so than others. We are in a sad state of confusion, no doubt. For men/women of good will, pray incessantly that peace will be restored and reigned throughout the land. Pray to bind Satan and all his evil cohorts. May the Olive Branch be Bestowed upon the race of humanity!

    • Swemson permalink
      September 24, 2009 3:40 pm

      Oy !…. Not again..

      Will SOMEBODY please go upstairs and close the window in the attic ….

      • jbtrevor permalink
        September 24, 2009 4:57 pm

        Swemson, didn’t know our tent had an attic (or stairs) – LOL
        Julie

  13. September 24, 2009 2:19 pm

    Muslims do not know how to keep a promise to anyone but another muslim.
    For example, they sent a letter in which they promised not to deface the Tomb of Joseph. They have continuously defaced the Tomb of Joseph. Muslims are very brave people. In another example, the capture of East Jerusalem in 1967 revealed that they used the headstones from Jewish graves as paving for latrines. Again, another sign of Muslim bravery – defacing the dead.

    They do not deserve a separate country carved from Israel. Carve it from Syria, Saudi Arabia, Libya, etc.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 24, 2009 3:41 pm

      Yeah…

      Send them anywhere…..

      BUT NOT HERE BARRY !!!!

    • Walt permalink
      October 8, 2009 10:03 pm

      If you go back to the partition of Mandatory Palestine, one could say that Jordan was the designated homeland for the Arabs. Iam reluctant to use the term Palestinian, since it really did not come into use until the 60’s.

  14. LanceThruster permalink
    September 24, 2009 3:40 pm

    As far as religious dogma goes, you might as well argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

    Judaism has a prayer at the beginning of the day stating essentially, “Thank you God for not having me be born a woman.”

    Xians have rules about the stoning to death of unruly children.

    …a God who could make good children as easily a bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave is angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell–mouths mercy, and invented hell–mouths Golden Rules and foregiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man’s acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him!
    ~ Mark Twain – No. 44, The Mysterious Stranger

    • jbtrevor permalink
      September 24, 2009 5:02 pm

      Lance, and somewhere in the Bible it says eye for eye, tooth for tooth…and many other such proclaimations that have given believers license to cause great harm to each other…
      However, the “main stream” religions have “seen” the error of their fundamental interpretaion and reformed themselves; NOT so with Islam…

      • LanceThruster permalink
        September 25, 2009 9:49 am

        If you are a xian, you still buy into the primitive notion of blood sacrifice.

        That is, god says, “I’d like to forgive you, but first I have to kill my kid.”

        I describe it thusly, “God sent god to die for god so that god could forgive god’s creations according to god’s unbending rules.” ~ LT

        Too Rube Goldberg for me.

        And as far as seeing the error of their fundamentalist ways; there is still a tremendous amount of hatred whipped up by many, many mainstream xian sects over homosexuality. Yet divorce is also seen as an abomination in the bible, but that would not do to make that an issue because far too many “true believers” accept the right to dissolve a failed marriage.

        • Alan permalink
          November 13, 2009 5:16 am

          Hey “LanceThruster” (what is in a name: are you referring to a certain Spear of Longinus?)

          are you too lazy or just unwilling to spell Christian? maybe the very name of Jesus Christ causes you anguish, does it really cause you such a problem to write the word Christ? Does it cause you to wince like some hollywood vampire confronted with a Crucifix? You seem to have so much anger against Christianity (maybe you are an ex alter boy or something)

          No other religion specifically targets other religious group for hatred and demonisation in the same way as Islam does in the Koran. Also, you do realise that there were two convenant agreements as mentioned by other posters here, one under the law and one under grace? Since Christ, we are under a new covenant.

          I follow Christ but I don’t hate homosexuals or call for them to be thrown off buildings like certain other religious groups. In fact I think homophobia is SO gay!

          You are invited to become a christian, not forced, you can choose to be a bhuddist, bahai, sikh, daoist, hindu, wiccan or pagan and no one requires you to pay a jizya tax and be humiliated if you don’t so choose. In Islam there are only three choices – convert – submit in humiliation (and be taxed) – or die. No other religion makes whole areas, cities and countries off limits to one particular religious group (jews) I do admit there are fanatical followers in all religions that are an embarrassment in the 21st century, but at least Christians don’t kill apostates or homosexuals, we just make them Bishops!

          There is another none islamic way however – resist. I have put my life on the line for seventeen years so that you can have the freedom to say what you feel, whether I agree with it or not, I would hate to see that freedom thrown away by the West’s creeping acceptance of Islamic rule and Sharia.

      • alimasoudabbasi permalink
        October 1, 2009 2:52 am

        Other main religons were reformed, will continue being reformed, just because it has been deformed in the first place, NOT Islam, it is as it was – divine.

        • Swemson permalink
          October 3, 2009 1:01 pm

          Fine;

          So why don’t you go back to wherever TF you came from..

          I’m sure you and your goat will be very happy there.

    • Leonardo permalink
      September 24, 2009 8:09 pm

      Hey, Lance,

      When was the last time a Christian stoned their child to death, unruly or otherwise? I believe you’re referring to something from the Old Testament (the Law) which was explicitly to the Jews at the time. They were (and still are) God’s chosen people and He had the right to tell them to live how He wanted them to. When Jesus came the Law was no longer necessary as Jesus fulfilled the Law. Thus began an age of grace. Do you care about understanding the explanation or are you happier to be able to criticize other religions because it makes you feel superior? I’m pretty sure Jews don’t stone their unruly children anymore either. What’s changed in Islam in the last 1400 years?

      • LanceThruster permalink
        September 25, 2009 9:41 am

        If xianity (or any other religion) was truly “revealed knowledge” they should have avoided these “growing pains.” Xians were killing each other off in droves over who was Invisible Sky Daddy’s favorite. There are Xian denominations today that want to enforce OT punishments (Dominionism) that still run in mainstream Xian cirlces. Xians should not consider themselves superior just because their period of questioning and biblical scholarship and apologetics started earlier then it has for Islam.

        Murdering or torturing ANYONE for “heresy” is stupid, vile, and obscene no matter who is doing it or when. It’s an admission that their god is impotent and requires them to act as proxies.

        ALL assertions that someone most correctly knows the mind of god and is compelled to act in said god’s behalf are DELUSIONAL!

        —-

        See: Did Jesus Abolish the Old Testament? ( http://www.atheistrev.com/2009/06/did-jesus-abolish-old-testament.html )

        First and most challenging, there are passages in the New Testament where statements attributed to Jesus seem to make it clear that he was NOT coming to change anything about the old laws (e.g., John 14:15 says, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”). So the first line of response might be to point the Christian to such statements. The problem with this and the reason I described this route as most challenging is that the Christian bible can be used to support virtually anything. There are so many inconsistencies that it is difficult to come away without concluding that it is utter gibberish.

        Some will argue that Jesus only abolished certain rules while endorsing others. Thus, I believe that Matthew 5-7 is often used to support the notion that Jesus came to fulfill prior law so that continued observance was no longer necessary. Of course, nobody seems to agree on what was supposedly abolished and what was supposedly retained. In fact, interpreting the meaning of “fulfill” is a massive controversy (Matthew 5:17 says, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill”). Spend a little time on Google, and you’ll get a sense for just how contentious this issue remains.

        A second response, and the one which I tend to prefer takes the Christian’s claim at face value and probes the implications. I might remind them that their Ten Commandments are found in the Old Testament. I might remind them that the biblical basis for anti-gay bigotry is found there as well. If this does not get me where I want to go, I might present them with some of the more atrocious parts of their New Testament and see how they excuse those. I might share some of the many contradictions of the New Testament. And then, the character of this supposed Jesus figure could be addressed too. Finally, I might demonstrate how the New Testament is cherry-picked as well.

      • September 26, 2009 8:35 am

        LEONARDO:

        No one person can ‘fulfill’ G-d’s laws.

        Jews are only ‘chosen’ to do certain things – and Judaism says that other faiths are ‘chosen’ for their own, unique tasks. All humans are EQUALLY G-d’s children.

        I agree with you about Islam.

    • September 26, 2009 8:33 am

      LANCETHRUSTER:

      Before attempting to discuss Judaism, you should get the basic facts *right*.

      1 – there was no ‘old testament’ during the lifetime of Jesus. The OT is a Church-created text that was not compiled until long after his death. During his lifetime there was only ONE text: the Tanakh, the original Jewish scriptures. Jesus would have known the Tanakh, of which the Torah is the holy part.

      2 – Jesus did not get to ‘abolish’ ANYTHING. Judaism still exists, Jews still exist. Jesus did not represent Judaism then and he does not represent it now. He did not have the power nor authority to ‘abolish’ the Tanakh or anything else to do with Judaism.

      3 – When G-d says that his promise is ‘eternal’, he means ETERNAL. He never told Moses and the Jews that his word was ‘only gonna last until this bloke Jesus arrives’! The covenant between G-d and the Jews is ETERNAL. You don’t like that? TOUGH.

      4 – Men thank G-d they are not women, in Judaism, because it is recognised that the woman’s role is far more complex and harder than that of men.

      5 – ‘an eye for an eye’ NEVER referred to violence or revenge being permissable. It only EVER referred to the fact that back then, if someone injured another person, they then had to offer some form of material compensation and it had to be fair.

      Please stop MISinterpreting Judaism through Christian views.

      • Swemson permalink
        September 26, 2009 2:59 pm

        Booballa;

        Why are you trying to use rational arguments with such a bigot ?

      • jbtrevor permalink
        September 26, 2009 3:05 pm

        Jew with a view,
        Thank you for your response to Lancethruster…it was surely welcomed!

        Having been raised in the Catholic-Christian Tradition, it’s difficult to not see things through that lens and I always appreciate it when people in the know provide us with clarity.

        I always wanted to be Jewish and still feel more at home when I immerse myself in reading the works of Jewish Scholars and Mystics.

        Julie
        PS I confess that I too have misused the “eye for an eye” phrase.

        • September 27, 2009 1:23 pm

          JB TREVOR –

          Thank you so much for your kind comments 🙂

          I have had some wonderful conversations with Catholic friends and online contacts, and although Judaism and Catholicism are very different, I also find some similarities in the ‘feel’ of them both, if that makes any sense? 🙂 Strangely, most of the mixed-faith couples that I’ve come across have involved Jews and Catholics!

          And yes, I can appreciate that it must be really hard for Christians to start looking at Judaism and discover that, maybe, *some* of what they’ve learned about it needs revising.

          Sounds like you are very open-minded though 🙂

          If you haven’t come across these sites, you might find them interesting; lots of info about Jewish theology/history etc:
          http://www.virtualjewishlibrary.org/
          http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/

          From what I see on some internet forums that discuss religion, Christianity also gets misunderstood a great deal of the time, just as Judaism does. I only really learned about Christian theology over the past year or two, and have found it really interesting 🙂

          All best wishes 🙂

          • jbtrevor permalink
            September 27, 2009 2:04 pm

            Jew with a view,

            Those links were great. Thanks I laughed out loud when I opened up the “whatjewsbelieve” site.
            The first statement was:

            “Jews believe that one person cannot die for the sins of another person. ”

            So do I…I never got that part of Christ died for out sins…especially since he died about 2000 years before I started sinning 🙂
            Julie

            • September 29, 2009 3:19 am

              JULIE –

              LOL LOL LOL LOL 🙂

              Love your response 🙂

              Thanks for making me laugh, what a lovely start to the day!

              Tabatha

      • LanceThruster permalink
        October 2, 2009 1:35 pm

        re; #4 – do they then have a prayer asking divine assistance in avoiding difficult and complex tasks? Would seem appropriate if that is their relief over not being born women. For some people there is great satisfaction in being triumphant in the face of obstacles and adversity, and putting forth the uncommon effort required to succeed.

        But instead, they are thankful that they have been spared this particular set of challenges (that of being a woman and all that entails) and no other? You’ll excuse me if I think this is just cover for their patriarchy; the same patriarchy most religions rdisplay .

        The OT ref wasn’t ignoring its origins, just touching on some of the disagreements xians have over what rules must be followed.

        Will write more when I’m able on the various views of sacred Jewish texts by the Jews themselves. As they have often observed; two Jews, three opinions.

        My point was that clearly the hateful actions by anyone resulting in violence and death are abhorrent but to claim that other culture’s sacred texts are without these barbaric views as well is not accurate.

        Thank goodness reform theology brought about many positive changes but much of the theological introspection was not voluntary but rather required by the fact that the different sects did not wield the power they once had. I am proud to be part of the fight holding the line against their irrationalism.

        There are xian factions in the US calling for the preeminence of biblical law over secular law as there were rabbis in Israel justifying the complete domination and destruction of the people of Gaza because as “the enemy”, they were required by G_d to deal with them in the harshest terms.

        see: http://forward.com/articles/107112/

        Like the best Chabad-Lubavitch rabbis, Manis Friedman has won the hearts of many unaffiliated Jews with his charismatic talks about love and God; it was Friedman who helped lead Bob Dylan into a relationship with Chabad.

        But Friedman, who today travels the country as a Chabad speaker, showed a less warm and cuddly side when he was asked how he thinks Jews should treat their Arab neighbors.

        “The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle),” Friedman wrote in response to the question posed by Moment Magazine for its “Ask the Rabbis” feature.

        Friedman argued that if Israel followed this wisdom, there would be “no civilian casualties, no children in the line of fire, no false sense of righteousness, in fact, no war.”

        “I don’t believe in Western morality,” he wrote. “Living by Torah values will make us a light unto the nations who suffer defeat because of a disastrous morality of human invention.”

        —-

        I read that last part as both a dig at a secularism, and the assertion that since everyone else’s god is not real, it has to be by definition, a product of “human invention.”

        That, at its core, is no different from any other fundamentalism certain in their conviction that they are carrying out god’s will.

      • Walt permalink
        October 8, 2009 10:14 pm

        You are dealing with a rather dense Atheist. He seems to be unable to distinguish between Judaism and Christianity. It is rather like lumping Hinduism with Buddhism. As with Judaism and Christianity, one came from the other, but they became quite separate and different very early on.

  15. gsw permalink
    September 24, 2009 11:22 pm

    @LanceThruster
    Which is exactly why I do not believe that Jesus – should he actually have walked this beautiful plant – could be either the son of jahwe or jahwe in the flesh.

    After all, he followed the golden rule:
    Mathew 7:12.
    “Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.”

  16. telson permalink
    September 25, 2009 6:29 am

    Antisemitism is wrong and we should bless the nation of Israel. More info in this article:

    http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/antisemitismiswrong.html

  17. Michaelle Maloney permalink
    September 25, 2009 6:51 am

    I agree Big Irish; they are antijew. The jews always have to defend themselves against their dangerous neighbors when they are always the first to throw bombs at them in Israel. Oh yeah, they arn’t antijew-only a drug addict and drunk would say such a thing. In addition, if your not muslim you are an infidel and the jews and christians are hated the most. Just read the Quran. Again, this is the radical muslims trying to act goody goody to the world in spite of their actions being just the opposite.

  18. Michaelle Maloney permalink
    September 25, 2009 6:58 am

    Exactly, Telson; The holocaust makes that real obvious in history.

  19. Judy permalink
    September 25, 2009 11:14 am

    learnqurononline1,
    Did not Mohammed declare that Allah (the pagan Babelonian moon god) was “a demon” multiple times, and that worship of the demon would grant individuals through him (Mohammed) riches and power??????? Your argument that Allah and Jehovah are the same G_d is insulting and blasphemous. In order to accept this you must declare that G_d’s words in the Bible are no longer true either because G_d lied or changed His mind. This is absurd on it’s face. I have studied the Koran at length with an ex-Muslim scholar as the instructor. The Koran compilation began 30-50 years after the death of Mohammed and was compiled (the first edition) from bits and pieces of “thoughts” written down by those that could actually read and write.Mohammed was illiterate and had absolutely no input into the Koran’s maufacture. At the beginning of Mohammedism, there was the original and 2 copies that were later destroyed and the Koran “re-written”. If you believe that Allah is not a demon as declared by Mohammed, is Mohammed a liar? Those that are the enemies of the Jews are the enemies of Jehovah. Therefore, if Allah is Jehovah, then the books would be identical since G_d is not a liar and not whimsical in His word. Also,at that time, the term Christian was a slur used to denegrate and ridicule followers of Christ. It was not a complement. Because of their willingness to follow Jesus to their death, they took on the insulting name as a badge of honor. “To be like Christ”.

    • alimasoudabbasi permalink
      October 3, 2009 4:31 am

      Have I ever heard such an absolutely confused drivel. No wonder some people would never take off their spectacles to enjoy the good of other faiths. When did they invented the English word “Dogmatic”?

  20. Judy permalink
    September 25, 2009 12:29 pm

    Sura 109: “Recite:O Unbelievers, I worship not what you worship, and you do not worship what I worship. i shall never worship what you worship. neither will you worship what I worship. to you and your religion, to me my religion”. Obviously not the same G_d.
    47.4 “When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”. Kill them everywhere you find them.
    5.63 Jews had been changed into apes and swine as a punishment
    9.29,30: “Declare war upon those to whom the Scriptures were revealed but believe neither in god nor the last day, and who do not forbid that which god and his apostle have forbidden, and who refuse to acknowledge the true religion (Islam) until they pay the poll-tax withour reservation and are totally subjugated”.
    9.39 “If you do not fight, He will punish you severely, and put another in your place”. Muslims are not exempt from killing.
    25.5f It becomes obvious in these passages that Mohammed spent much of his time learning Jewish literature, worship, lore, scripture, from Rabbi’s in Hijaz. Mohammed declared that all that he taught was from humans, but that the direction to consult and learn from them was devine.
    Jerusalem was the original direction for prayer (kiblah). It was then changed to Medina Frustrated by the Jews not converting to Islam he changed the kiblah to Medina and then set about to conquer and take it over. In 6 A.H. Mohammed and his followers tried to enter Medina and failed. In A.H.8 Mohammed was able to take Medina and the pagan rites of the hajj (that had been practiced for hundreds of years before the birth of Mohammed) were continued with a different emphasis. However, the pagan rites at the dry well Zam Zam.
    The covering of the back of a Muslims head has to do with the fact that islam believes that the demons enter man from that area of the head. Muslim men are instructed to blow each nostril several times each morning upon rising to dislodge the devil who sleeps in the nose each night, The purpose of the headscarf on women is not for piety. It is so that Allah does not have to look upon them, as they are demonic.As you can see, many do study the Koran.

  21. September 26, 2009 12:35 am

    Someone should confront the Rabbi and ask him why he made that “curious” remark. It was the most curious of the curious–!

    Could be he is one of those “performers” who loves to be on Television, and he wanted to say something that would really get him attention.

    One example of that type of celebrity would be Depok Chopra – the guy is another performer and claimed a special relationship with Michael Jackson . I like him , but he’s so full of bull***t it’s hard to take him seriously .

  22. gsw permalink
    October 8, 2009 10:04 pm

    TO be absolutely precise:
    Islam was never (whisper solely) an anti-semetic faith.
    It was. and still is, an anti -everybody-else political system that uses any tools it can get away with. For a used-car/sorry used-camel salesman, he was pretty clever. He knew that if he preached his doctrine as an alternative to the government, he would be clobbered. However, preaching it as a revelation from god gave him lots of elbowroom.
    And by reinventing the god he didn’t get killed for blasphemy either.

  23. Jenn permalink
    October 18, 2009 6:45 am

    Just exactly who was it that Mohammed saw in a “vison” in a cave all those centuries ago? He said that it was the Angel Gabriel who announced to him that he was to be the Great Prophet. It is unlikely that God would send St Gabriel the Archangel to the Blessed Mother 8 centuries before to announce that she would become the Mother of Christ, then turn around 800 years later and say, “No wait. Gabriel, go down there again and this time go to Mohammed.”

    Mohammed was an epilectic. Perhaps he was having a seizure, perhaps he was delusional. Whatever he was doing at the time, it’s a certainty that who he saw was not St Gabriel the Archangel. More likely it was satan appearing as Gabriel. Face it. There are a lot of good Muslim people as there are good people everywhere, but the basic tenets of Isalm are attributes of evil.

    The evil is covered by layers of “nice beliefs” so as to hide the core.

    • LanceThruster permalink
      October 19, 2009 11:24 am

      It’s always interesting to view debates about whose god can beat up whose.

      “Theologian: An uncommon individual who, though possessing finite abilities, has been called by God himself who, though possessing infinite abilities, requires the assistance of the former in explaining Himself to the rest of us.”
      [Translation: if God existed, theologians would be out of work.]”

      — “Rev.” Donald Morgan

      —–

      “I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
      — Stephen F Roberts

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