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September 24, 2009

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  1. LanceThruster permalink
    September 24, 2009 3:33 pm

    Not a chance in hell. Not only was he a disaster as CinC but he made people equally incapable think they were some sort of vanguard for returning America to greatness.

    In reality, the exact opposite is true. I’m hoping their know-nothingness is in its death throes but the tenacity of ignorance can be quite astounding.

    • Swemson permalink
      September 24, 2009 8:22 pm

      What the the far left loons here don’t understand, is that the reason this is so funny (to me at least) is that Obama is such an UNMITIGATED DISASTER, that he even makes a PUTZ like “W” look good !

      One of the many differences I keep seeing between folks on the right and folks on the left, is that the folks on the right never seem to have any trouble with admitting that some of the politicians on the right have been, and continue to be (Mr. McCain) absolutely terrible leaders…

      The left can NEVER admit that any of their guys are less than perfect…

      Talk about a bunch of brain dead loons marching towards their own destruction in mindless lockstep…. Wowwwww !

      • LanceThruster permalink
        September 25, 2009 9:50 am


  2. James Smith permalink
    September 24, 2009 3:40 pm

    Great! Passing along to all my friends.

  3. pbrauer permalink
    September 24, 2009 3:53 pm

    No Way. George W. Bush is arguably the worst president in the last 100 years, maybe ever.

    • Cas Balicki permalink
      September 24, 2009 5:58 pm

      pbrauer, you must have slept aright through the Jimmy Carter years. But, maybe, you’re too young for Carter, so lets talk Bill Clinton. Now there was a wasted presidency from a Democrat point of view. Isn’t it ironic that Clinton’s greatest achievements were all foisted on him by the Republicans. Welfare reform anyone? I bet you’re still mad about that blown opportunity, eh, prauer. Imagine what would have happened had Bubba actually taken the opportunity to get it on with Osama as opposed to Monica? My guess is that’s why he bombed that asperin factory, he was getting too much not-tonight-I’ve-got-a-headache from the broads from whom he was copping feels. I’ll say this much for Clinton, he would have had something other than a blue dress and soggy cigar to remember from his days in the White House had he taken care of business while there. Hell! how about LBJ for worst president ever: Viet Nam + Great Society = Hyper-Inflation. Still, doofus Carter managed to top even that with stragflation while at the same time legislating the Community Improvement Act or whatever the lead in to the Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac fiasco is called these days. As for Obama, well he’s dropping his pants and grabbing his ankles for every tinpot dictator in the world, so I wouldn’t look for much from Mr. I-was-a-tight-end-but-now-I’m-a-wide-receiver if I were you. What I’m saying is, yes, I’ll take Bush over any of these Democrat fruitcakes anyday. Oh! and the only reason Kennedy is even remembered is because he was shot, so don’t even go there, pbrauer.

      • pbrauer permalink
        September 24, 2009 10:52 pm

        “Oh! and the only reason Kennedy is even remembered is because he was shot, so don’t even go there, pbrauer.”

        Sleep it off, Cas.

        • Cas Balicki permalink
          September 25, 2009 8:14 am

          Let’s see: the failed Bay of Pigs invasion that Kennedy neither supported whole heartedly nor stopped; the assassination of Diem that led to the escalation of involvement in Viet Nam–you remember Viet Nam don’t you, pbrauer, the war the Left thought was a criminal exercise; the joy of nepotism that had Bobby Kennedy appointed attorney general; the Vienna fiasco that led Khruschev to believe he could roll Kennedy, and which actually did precipitate the Cuban missile crisis; the whores in the White House that led Bill Clinton to believe he could get away with it and actually did.

          Pbrauer, I think it’s you who has got to sleep it off, the Kool-aide, I mean.

          • pbrauer permalink
            September 25, 2009 9:03 am

            LOL, I couldn’t care less what you think. Cas. End of Story.

            • Cas Balicki permalink
              September 25, 2009 3:49 pm

              And on that stunning comeback, Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

          • LanceThruster permalink
            September 25, 2009 4:20 pm

            Self importance much, Cas?

            • Cas Balicki permalink
              September 25, 2009 5:39 pm

              Lance, I didn’t know you cared, at least not enough to write. I’m all verklempt.

    • Larry D. Crumbley permalink
      September 25, 2009 7:46 am

      Somebody that goes by the name of “pbrauer” has the gall to say that President Bush is the worst President in the last 100 yrs. well then you must be very young then, or you must have slept through the Carter yrs. which is it. The worst President in the last 100+ yrs. will always be Carter, and there is no compromise on that. He is the biggest loser, no foreign affairs knowledge, and his people that he put into cabinet positions were the same way. Does that sound FAMILIAR to you. Does that sound a little like what is happening to “OUR” country today? Wake up. IT is becoming a lot more clearer to me right now.
      We have made the Presidency about a popularity thing, andf if that is the case then that is exactly why this loser is in the White-House right now.

      Larry D. Crumbley
      P.S. You see I am not afraid to use my real name. Because I believe in what I say, and do not have to hide behind some fake name or anything like that. Thank

      • DonB permalink
        September 26, 2009 11:58 am

        Larry, did you forget about “the messiah”?

        • Larry D. Crumbley permalink
          September 27, 2009 12:51 pm

          Hello DonB,
          Are you referring to the man that sits in the White-House as of right now? How can you forget about him. But to me he is no messiah, and I
          am so sick of the people that think that he is. There is but One God, and
          One Lord Jesus Christ, and there is but one way to get to the Father of
          this universe, and that is through Jesus Christ, and not the man that
          sits in the White-House, or anybody that Oprah Winfrey might know.
          Jesus Christ is the only Messiah that I know, and I Praise his DEAR name
          only. Thanks for the come-back DonB.

          God Bless,
          Larry D. Crumbley

          • Swemson permalink
            September 27, 2009 2:09 pm

            OY !

            Another bat in the attic…

            Don’t you see the common thread here folks… ?

            “There is only one god, allah, praised be his name!”

            “There is but One God, and One Lord Jesus Christ”

            You’re right when you says Obummer is no messiah…. because the very idea of a messiah is a silly fairy tale…

            You can’t fight Bulls*~t with more Bulls*~t…

            Grow up already, & join the real world…

            You just might find it to be….. awe inspiring !

  4. Brent permalink
    September 24, 2009 4:01 pm

    Every day. Every day.

  5. September 25, 2009 1:39 am


    I was felt safer, freer and I was employed when you were President.

    I would rather have the government know what videos I rent and books I check out than my health records.

    • LanceThruster permalink
      September 25, 2009 9:52 am

      Yet the Bill of Rights says you cannot choose to forfeit the rights of another.

      So your “druthers” don’t mean squat.

  6. pbrauer permalink
    September 25, 2009 8:48 am

    “Somebody that goes by the name of “pbrauer” has the gall to say that President Bush is the worst President in the last 100 yrs. well then you must be very young”

    I wish you were correct, but I remember that the economy and high inflation rates started with Gerald Ford, not Jimmy Carter. The economy was so bad during Ford he offered a 5% tax rebate on new house construction which we took advantage of in 1975.

    As for Carter, lookup the Camp David accords.

    Bush started two wars which are still in progress. He borrowed the money for the wars for China and Japan. He increased the debt from $5 trillion to $10 trillion. And he left President Obama with a $1.2 trillion deficit. Bush presided over one of the biggest financial disasters in U.S. history. Which was cause by the lack and/or enforcement of regulations and low interest rates. Remember when Bush touted his ownership society? It was a bust.

  7. Christy permalink
    September 25, 2009 9:21 am

    George Bush may be in the top 5, with the spending, bailouts and amnesty attempt, but certainly not the worst by a long shot, unfortunately….But B.O. is coming up fast, and in only 8 months in office! He will be a record breaker for the ‘Worst President of all Time List’!!

    I guess it will take another disaster like 9/11 before the lefties get what this jack*** is doing to our security, and continued record unemployment and unbelievable debt to see what he is doing to our economy and way of life. His ‘transparent’ administration is turning out to be the most corrupt in history (gee, was ACORN getting money from the government?? Jones a communist? Really? I was just a bad student THATS why you can’t see my school records…I WAS born in the U.S. thats why I’ve spent over 1.5 million to keep my real birth records secret…I’m NOT a socialist, I just want to take over all U.S. businesses and control the entire economy…)

    The rest of the world might have hated our arrogance, but they new they could count on us, now they are just laughing at our stupidity and blindness and know that if disaster strikes, B.O. will do to them what he did to the protesters in Iran, and the people of Poland, and Czechoslovakia and Honduras and….who will we turn our backs on next?? Maybe we could start a pool….I think someone already started one on when they will bailout the News Papers…

    • LanceThruster permalink
      September 25, 2009 9:53 am

      The new rules meant to rein in groups like ACORN has caught many military contractors in its net, including the horribly corrupt Halliburton.


  8. LanceThruster permalink
    September 25, 2009 10:54 am


    Bush leaves in his wake a divided GOP, reduced to summoning up the corpse of Ronald Reagan about whom his party will tell you the same old lies, the same old GOP propaganda. This is to be expected from a party that regurgitates the same failed policies, the same old formulae. Whomever gets the GOP nod will use Reagan’s name a lot. Short on results, short on heroes, short on truth, the GOP noise and propaganda machine can be counted to invoke Reagan’s ghost as Giuliani summoned up the specter of 911. Give these poor schmucks a break! A glossed-over, revisionist memory of Reagan is all this miserable, morally bankrupt party has left.

    The truth is Reagan failed this nation in three significant areas –the economy, the prospects for world peace, and a case of treason: Iran-Contra.

    The origins of the biggest myth about Ronald Reagan are most certainly found in Reagan’s words when he accepted the party’s nomination in 1980.

    “We need rebirth of the American tradition of leadership at every level of government and in private life as well. The United States of America is unique in world history because it has a genius for leaders — many leaders — on many levels. But, back in 1976, Mr. Carter said, “Trust me.” And a lot of people did. Now, many of those people are out of work.”

    –Ronald Reagan, Acceptance Speech at the 1980 Republican Convention

    A promise never kept. Here’s the truth from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

    Job Growth Per Year Under Most Recent Presidents

    Johnson 3.8%
    Carter 3.1
    Clinton 2.4
    Kennedy 2.3
    Nixon 2.3
    Reagan 2.1
    Bush 0.6

    –Steve Kangas, quoting Bureau of Labor Statistics, Current Employment Statistics Survey

    The Reagan economy never equaled the Carter economy. The job creation rate under Reagan never equaled that of the GOPs demon du jour –Jimmy Carter. Carter is still unfairly libeled and reviled by the extremists and liars of the GOP mainstream.

    In the following chart, notice that the 1979 unemployment rate was not recovered until 1988.

    Unemployment Rate

    1960 5.5%
    1965 4.5
    1970 5.0
    1975 8.5
    1976 7.7
    1977 7.1
    1978 6.1
    1979 5.9
    1980 7.2
    1981 7.6
    1982 9.7
    1983 9.6
    1984 7.5
    1985 7.2
    1986 7.0
    1987 6.2
    1988 5.5
    1989 5.3
    1990 5.5
    1991 6.7
    1992 7.4

    In fairness, it must be pointed out that many Reagan policies originated with the Carter administration; notably, Carter actually increased defense spending. If the policies worked, Reagan could take credit for them. If they didn’t work, Reagan and the GOP noise machine always had Carter to blame! The GOP still bad-mouths Carter though there is not a Republican who can carry Carter’s water.

    When I talk of tax cuts, I am reminded that every major tax cut in this century has strengthened the economy, generated renewed productivity and ended up yielding new revenues for the government by creating new investment, new jobs and more commerce among our people.
    –Ronald Reagan, Acceptance Speech at the 1980 Republican Convention

    That’s a famous Reagan half-truth. Keynesian, Democratic tax cuts, indeed, stimulate economies but only under Democratic regimes –not under GOP regimes. The reason: Democratic tax cuts are egalitarian, benefiting all income groups and classes. GOP tax cuts, by contrast, are deliberately inequitable, benefiting only rich cronies, the corporate establishment, the Military/Industrial complex and other corporate supporters of the GOP establishment. GOP tax cuts are a payoff, just as were the no-bid contracts to Halliburton, Blackwater et al! I’ve got the stats from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Census Bureau, and the BEA to prove it.

    Despite his over-blown, high sounding rhetoric, Reagan’s “trickle down” tax cut of 1982 was quickly followed by a depression lasting some two years –the longest and deepest depression since Herbert Hoover’s “Great Depression”.

    At the end of two years of hardship, Americans were no better off. The GDP growth rate of some three percent was no better at the end of two years of hardship than it had been before the Reagan crash. Nothing had been gained.

    The Reagan years can be summed up briefly. He doubled the size of the Federal Bureaucracy and tripled the national deficit. The most pernicious effect of GOP economic policy is the effect of declining opportunity, a corollary of decline in wealth among all but the very rich.

    It is merely rhetorical to ask: why does the GOP seem to repeat ad nauseum utterly failed strategies that have never been shown to work? Reagan’s Budget Director, David Stockman called Reaganomics a ‘Trojan Horse’. He understood that the purpose of the tax was not really intended to trickle down. Rather, the tax cuts always do precisely what the GOP insiders know they will do: they enrich the GOP base! Here is how someone who lived through the Reagan nightmare remembers it:

    I was in the automotive field at the time, and dozens and dozens of established tool manufacturers, unionized shops, producing high quality tools, small companies with deep roots and real a commitment to the towns they were in all across the Midwest and the local communities, went out of business.

    Why? Because with deregulation any hustler could get virtually unlimited financing and set up manufacturing plants overseas producing exact copies of American made tools and flood the US market with them with no fear of the Reagan administration enforcing any laws against them. It also became easier, and far less risky, to get financing to set up a thousand junky identical chain outlets than it did for small local businesses to get credit or tax relief – restaurants, auto parts stores, hardware stores, grocery stores, florists – thousands and thousands of small businesses chewed up and destroyed.

    We have a younger generation of people who have no personal experience with so many things – local businesses and tight knit communities, affordable, convenient and efficient public transportation, wages that allowed one person in a household enough income to support the family, homes that were homes, not investments, easy access to public recreation, confidence in the safety of food and other consumer items, all regulated and inspected for the public welfare, freedom from the relentless intrusion of corporations into our lives, and on and on and on.

    Reagan destroyed the country, and if we try to gloss over that (which at the very least Obama’s remarks have done) or if we buy into the dishonest rationales and excuses and obfuscations that the Reagan administration used to disguise their agenda and to sell it to the public, we surrender any chance at real change, we bury the coffin forever into which the right wingers have put the left – and by extension, the majority of the American people, and we condemn ourselves to living in this ongoing nightmare of destruction and human suffering.

    It is not time to make nice with the Reagan legacy propagandists, even by implication or omission. It is time to relentlessly and fearlessly point out that the crisis the country is in is best described and analyzed as the chickens coming home to roost from the Reagan era.

    It is time to fight. It is not time to heal or move on—no matter how attractive and appealing this may be—it is not time to paper over the profound divide in the country, it is not time to accommodate or apologize for
    –Found on the Democratic Underground

    Let’s take a look at the history before it gets re-written:

    •Any Democratic President has presided over greater economic growth and job creation than any Republican President since World War II.
    •When Bush Jr took office, job creation was worst under a Republican, Bush Sr, at 0.6% per year; best under a Democrat, Johnson, at 3.8% per year.
    •Economic growth under President Carter was far greater than under Reagan or Bush Sr. In fact, economic growth in general was greater under Johnson, Kennedy, Carter, and Clinton than under Reagan or Bush.
    •The job creation rate under Clinton was 2.4% significantly higher Ronald Reagan’s 2.1% per year.
    •The “top performing Presidents” by this standard, in order from best down, were Johnson, Carter, Clinton, and Kennedy. The “worst” were Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush being worst with Reagan in the middle.
    •Half of jobs created under Reagan were in the public sector–some 2 million jobs added to the Federal Bureaucracy. Hadn’t he promised to reduce that bureaucracy?
    •Reagan, though promising to reduce government and spending, tripled the national debt and left huge deficits to his successor.
    •By contrast, most of the jobs created on Clinton’s watch were in the private sector.
    •Put another way: Any Democratic President beats any Republican President since World War II.

    • In the know permalink
      September 25, 2009 3:22 pm

      You are mental if you beleive those unemployment #’s. You are either naive or a liar. Oops, you do beleive them “–Found on the Democratic Underground”. That says it all.

      • LanceThruster permalink
        September 25, 2009 3:52 pm

        As usual your reading comprehension is lacking. The numbers quoted are from Bureau of Labor Statistics, Current Employment Statistics Survey.

        If you have another source with different figures, feel free to provide them. Otherwise, you can just STFU.

  9. Richard Sievert permalink
    September 25, 2009 10:55 am

    I wanna see the face of bush when his shelter cracks open and a monster the size of a mountain reaches in to grab him not hurting him then swallows him whole witch is where hell will be inside of Satan’s belly’ And this earth will be a fire that will burn forever once all planets join it that are in our solar system’ there’s a cracker for you idiots ‘;) A special fiew will be able to watch and I am one of them.

  10. Judy permalink
    September 25, 2009 2:17 pm

    Everyone, stand back, Thruster is having a brain fart.Too late, it sprayed onto Richard S., and pbrauer. The countdown has begun. Let’s hear from them over the next year as bad goes to worse and there will no more excuses for Obama. Obama owns everything since he is president. He is totally responsible as commander in chief for any and all goof-ups, ACORN, the Black panthers behavior,corruption, mistakes, crime, the price of tea in China and RiceARoni. Is this not the belief of the Progressives towards Conservatives??? Buckle up everyone, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

    • LanceThruster permalink
      September 25, 2009 2:31 pm

      I think to characterize your warblings as a “brain fart’ would be generous. If your point is what the CinC is responsible for on his or her watch, it is true that, much as with the military chain of command, they are answerable for what their subordinates do.

      Goopers are masters of “plausible deniability” which resulted in Ollie North being branded a “loose cannon” even though he is lauded to this day as a patriot for violating the Constitution (and don’t forget though convicted he got off on a legal technicality – something conservotards claim to abhor). Cheney is directly connected to Halliburton yet can somehow distance himself from their fraudulent actions and theft; some of which resulted in the tragic and unecessary deaths of US service personnel – by electrocution from improperly run electrical wiring.

      I will gladly return from time to time to check in on you all and make sure the rubber room padding is holding up.

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