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Artificial Sweetener: Maddow Gives ACORN Covering Fire

September 25, 2009

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Rachel Maddow’s dizzying intellect was on display Thursday night. By dizzying of course we mean “spinning so fast she can’t see straight.” Maddow has chosen defending ACORN as a perhaps-not-so-unlikely hill to die on. Thursday night, she vehemently defended ACORN, calling them a “trumped-up boogieman” and that ACORN “has been caricatured by people, like Congressman [Steve] King [R-IA], as a corrupt, criminal enterprise.” As you’ll see, “caricatured” in this case must mean “shown to be what is is.” Ah, the funny, funny dialect of Rachel Maddow.

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Actually, if you don’t think critically and tend to turn your brain off while watching television—which is the way we imagine most people can stand to watch Maddow for an hour—her segment laughably titled “The TRUTH about the LIES about ACORN”–was effective. If you weren’t paying close enough attention, she quite effortlessly shifted the debate away from the actual issues and into her specialty: shots at the right and character assassination. But if you care at all about facts and honest debate, it was more “dishonest and deceitful” than “effective.” Call it lies about the truth about ACORN, if you will.

In a twelve-minute segment where she proceed to call conservatives who’ve brought ACORN’s misdeeds to light every name in the book, she hardly bothered to mention the recent expose on ACORN at all. In fact, she claims that the story only “broke open” when Democrats (finally, after years of urging by Republicans) agreed to de-fund the radical organization. No, sorry Rachel, the story was actually “broken open” by a little thing like video evidence of ACORN supporting criminal activities. Not that you tune into Maddow for facts (if you tune in at all), but there they are.

Maddow worked herself up into one of her typical rants decrying attacks and misrepresentations about ACORN, and then proceeded to try and prove it by  ignoring the recent videos exposing ACORN’s willingness to support prostitution, tax evasion, and sex slavery. She couldn’t even be bothered to mention them except as a throw-away line blurted out at the very end of her segment where she of course called it an “entrapment video.” Wonder what she thought of Chris Hansen, hm?

Instead, she chose to focus on ACORN’s lobbying for a higher minimum wage. This is what we in the logical world refer to as a “red herring.” Or, put another way, the “Hitler was kind to his dogs” defense. These facts may be true, but are not in any way relevant to the actual charges, nor do they excuse the wrong done.

Advocating for a higher minimum wage—a position ACORN is welcome to take—has nothing to do with the serious issues that a twentysomething and his girlfriend managed to expose with nothing more than $3000 and a pair of cheesy outfits. Just because an organization does something ostensibly good does not excuse their reprehensible (and illegal) acts elsewhere. There’s a debate to be had about what the minimum wage should be or whether minimum wage laws are effective, but for Maddow to turn a blind eye to ACORN’s systemic and obvious corruption because they lobby for an issue she agrees with is patently foolish and blindly partisan. One would think that Maddow would know this, given her Ivy League background. If we, a couple of state-school kids, can point this out, surely she’s aware as well? We think she is, but she just doesn’t care. It’s not her job to be honest. It’s her job to promote Democratic and leftist boosterism at every turn.

The irony of Maddow’s position deepens in that ACORN—that supposed champion of minimum wage laws—itself fought to the point of going to court against paying its own employees minimum wage on the grounds that doing so would lead ACORN to be able to higher fewer workers. Which, oddly enough, is exactly the argument that opponents of minimum wage laws—the people ACORN has fought tooth-and-nail—have made for years. That’s ACORN’s version of practicing what they preach for you.

Also, unsurprisingly, MAddow tried to obscure President Obama’s well-documented ties to ACORN. She claimed it was “blatantly false” that Obama ever worked for ACORN. Well, we suppose that depends on what your definition of “worked for” is. If your definition includes “ performing services for,” then it’s Maddow who is clearly in the wrong here. Obama himself doesn’t even try to hide how closely he’s worked with ACORN. She also mocks Rep. Steve King of Iowa for pointing out that Obama actually did say to a group of ACORN workers “we’re going to be calling all of you in to help shape the agenda.” Maddow ignores Obama’s defending ACORN in court, running a get-out-the-vote effort by ACORN, and training ACORN staffers, among other things.

Then she brought on Peter Dreier, who she introduced simply as a “professor at Occidental College” to discuss a report he wrote on how the media has supposedly gotten their ACORN stories wrong. What she neglected to inform her audience is that Dreier has worked with ACORN for years, partnering with them and funding them while working for the National Housing Initiative. The NHI has frequently defended ACORN and often turns over the pages of its magazine to ACORN to use for their propaganda. Dreier has a long history of writing pro-ACORN spin material. Hardly the impartial academic Maddow paints him as.

Maddow let him repeat the lie that ACORN was responsible for discovering all the voter fraud. As we said when ACORN’s Bertha Lewis made the same claim,  that is simply not true. He also claimed that all of the prosecution of ACORN was done by “Republican attorney generals” who were just out to get ACORN. Sorry, Professor, but that too is a lie if you look at the facts.

Taken all together, Thursday’s show was practically a textbook on dishonest debating tactics. Of course, Maddow is hardly the only one on the left trying to rewrite ACORN’s sordid history. There is a phrase the left loves – “how do you ask someone to be the last to die for a lie?” Well Rachel, do you want to be the last one to “die” for the lie that ACORN is anything but a corrupt, radical, and distinctly anti-democratic organization? Or will you wake up and realize how ridiculous a position you are taking? Her track record says she won’t. Those of us who cherish truth and sanity hope she might.

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56 Comments
  1. 6mmppc permalink
    September 25, 2009 2:02 pm

    Where does MSNBC get these people? What rocks do they turn over to find this type of slanted commentary?

    Before Glen Beck dug deep into the bowels of ACORN, the recent election convinced me how corrupt they are. To me, voter fraud is the worst of the worst. Here we have people actually disgracing the very thing that makes this Country great and stands it above all the rest. Free and open elections are kind of sacred here. Elections are supposed to be secure, private, and honest. Of course the honesty part is the challenge. There are always those that must resort to corrupt actions to get their agenda across. It’s like cheating at a card game. If you don’t get caught, you may win. What separates this type of scum from the American People, is the People can lay their head down and sleep well with a clear conscience, and this scum can’t. Where are the morals?

    ACORN was caught over and over again registering people many times instead of ONCE, and even registered deceased people just to “get their quota”. But, the main stream media suppressed this as much as possible, and not many of them were charged with fraud.

    I would bet we don’t know the extent ACORN reaches out into the public, we’ve only uncovered some. For anyone to support them is as corrupt as they are, even if it includes the residents at 16oo Penn. Ave!

  2. carterthewriter permalink
    September 25, 2009 2:25 pm

    “Where does MSNBC get these people?”

    MSNBC has a recruiting booth in the hall at Belleview, perhaps? They wouldn’t have to pay them too much with the help of a Gov. Grant to rehabilitate them into society.

    So far, if I am right, the project is not working,

  3. September 25, 2009 3:02 pm

    I saw the segment and thought it was an odd “defense,” as well. Essentially, it broke down to: There are corporations; therefore, ACORN is good.

  4. politicalmoxie permalink
    September 25, 2009 3:09 pm

    I SAW THE DREIER INTERVIEW ON THE MADDOW SHOW LAST NIGHT. I CAN ONLY TAKE HER IN SHORT BURSTS, BUT OCCASIONALLY I TUNE IN HOPING SHE’S FOUND HER BRAIN.
    THIS MAY BE TOO SIMPLISTIC, BUT I NOW THINK IT’S POSSIBLE THE FINGE MEDIA SUFFERS FROM THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS AS THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE STAFF EITHER THEY THINK WE ARE SO STUPID WE BELIEVE THEIR CRAP, OR THERE’S NO VETTING. HOW DUMB IS MADDOW? NO ONE HAS TAUGHT HER HOW TO DO A INTERNET NAME SEARCH?
    A COURSE DREIER WAS TEACHING AT OCCIDENTAL,”MOVEMENTS IN SOCIAL JUSTICE”, WAS NAMED THE 2ND MOST DANGEROUS COLLEGE COURSE BEING TAUGHT IN 2007/2008 BY CAMPUS WATCH. NOT ALL COURSES ON THE LIST WERE FROM OCCIDENTAL, BUT THE ONE DREIER WAS TEACHING HAD BEEN TAKEN BY THE AUTHOR,JASON RANTZ(DON’T YOU LOVE THAT NAME). ACCORDING TO RANTZ, DREIER DOESN’T TEACH, HE INDOCTRINATES. HE HAS A COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST AGENDA & HE INFLICTS IT ON HIS CLASSES. DO A SEARCH, AN IN DEPTH DESCRIPTION IS ALL THERE.
    I ALSO VISITED DREIERS’ OCCIDENTAL BIO PAGE. IMPRESSIVE, BUT STRANGELY THERE IS NO MENTION OF HIS MEMBERSHIP IN A RELATIVELY NEW GROUP, PROGRESSIVES FOR OBAMA. ONE OF THE FOUNDERS IS TOM HAYDEN, WHO ALSO TEACHES AT OCCIDENTAL. FIND A LIST OF OTHER MEMBERS, SOME NAMES YOU WILL RECOGNIZE. I FOUND IT ALL QUITE SCARY. I DID NOT SEARCH ANY OF THE NAMES I DIDN’T KNOW, I’LL SAVE THAT FOR A RAINY AFTERNOON WHEN I AM SUFFERING “BOREDOM”.
    LET ME NOT FORGET THIS LITTLE GEM…
    THIS AM ON TWITTER, I FOUND AN ARTICLE BY ALLISON KILKENNY OF TRUE SLANTS. SHE SLOBBERS OVER MADDOWS’ OPINIONS AND DISCOVERY THAT ACORN IS SO MISUNDERSTAND. MS. KILKENNY ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO THE HUFF POST & SOURCE WATCH. AMAZINGLY, PROFESSOR DREIER HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE HUFF POST. MS. KILKENNY SPELLS THE PROFESSORS’ NAME “DRLIER” IN HER ENTIRE ARTICLE & IT IS SPELLED “DREIER”.
    MY EYES GLAZE OVER, AS I SIT BACK ON MY COUCH, AND WONDER WHAT HER EXCUSE IS.
    I ASK ALL OF YOU WITH CHILDREN, NO MATTER THEIR AGE OR GRADE LEVEL…
    IT’S 8:00AM, SCHOOL IS IN SESSION, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR CHILDREN ARE BEING TAUGHT? Mmmmmmm!

    • theblanque permalink
      September 25, 2009 7:47 pm

      Dude–capslock, to the off position, please!!

  5. jbtrevor permalink
    September 25, 2009 3:27 pm

    Tim and Alissa Birkel,
    Something tells me you don’t like Rachel Maddow…LOL

    Neither to I…I can’t even bring myself to watch the clip you embedded.
    Julie

  6. pbrauer permalink
    September 25, 2009 3:28 pm

    Tim and Alissa,

    Rachel Maddow piece was well research and presented. Your response is nothing but links to right wing OPINION pieces, not actual reporting. Not at all impressive., You wouldn’t know journalism if it was staring you in the face.

    Some day I would love to see you challenge her on her show, but I realize you would never do that because she would bury you.

    • Tim and Alissa Birkel permalink
      September 25, 2009 6:01 pm

      Wow, that reply was nearly as fact-free as a Maddow episode. Either you didn’t bother to read the links, or you don’t understand them.

      If you think Maddow and her ilk are “journalism” then you are speaking an entirely foreign dialect.

      We will never be on Maddow because she refuses to have anyone on her show who does not agree lockstep with her.

      To all the other commenters: thank you. We know, we shouldn’t feed the trolls. 🙂

      • pbrauer permalink
        September 25, 2009 6:40 pm

        I know that basing your conclusions on other people”s OPINION, like John Fund, pajamasmedia is not journalism. I am pretty certain that you have never asked to be on her show, just your assumption. I don’t purport to be a journalist, but apparently you folks do.

        • September 25, 2009 7:31 pm

          What do you purport to be?
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

        • Tim and Alissa Birkel permalink
          September 25, 2009 9:34 pm

          If by “opinion” you mean “pointing out facts and stories that the left would rather ignore the MSM refuses to cover” perhaps.

          Maybe you read Stanley Kurtz, who despite relentless mob-like attacks on him in Chicago did the heavy lifting in finding the Obama-ACORN ties. That’s real journalism.

          Maddow is on record as saying she won’t have conservative guests on. She claims elected Republicans aren’t “engaged with the debate” – a laughable claim at best — and that the others who would come on “don’t have jobs.” Funny, they have the same job she does. Wonder if Maddow receives unemployment?

          http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2009/06/09/rachel-maddow-reveals-flimsy-rationale-excluding-republican-guests

          Maybe have some facts next time, little trolly troll.

  7. politicalmoxie permalink
    September 25, 2009 3:42 pm

    At P Brauer…BRING IT ON!! To use your words,carefully researched…I don’t think so! This is not the first time either her stupidity or her laziness, pick one, has shown itself in her reporting. Again…BRING IT ON!

    • pbrauer permalink
      September 25, 2009 4:00 pm

      “BRING IT ON!”

      Isn’t that what Bush said that got more of our troops killed in Iraq?

      • carterthewriter permalink
        September 25, 2009 6:09 pm

        You’ve become a silly idiot, sir.

        • pbrauer permalink
          September 25, 2009 6:43 pm

          #1

          • September 25, 2009 7:10 pm

            Sorry Carter, going to have to side with Pbrauer on this one. He’s right in his estimation of your comment.

            • Swemson permalink
              September 25, 2009 7:48 pm

              David…

              This is getting pretty twisted… fiftyfifty’s comment was the equivalent of saying , “someday, you’re going to get yours”.. and then the troll accuses him of making threats… Then he implies that BUSH said something that got our troops killed… More of the same idiotic & baseless nonsense that he assaults our intelligence with EVERY DAY.. !

              Then, after Carter, in a rather gentlemanly way, points out what’s obviously true, the troll’s next comment was “#1″…

              WTF does that even mean ?……. And pray tell what are you agreeing with ?

              I don’t think that this kind of talk even remotely resembles the intelligent discussion of the issues that drew the vast majority of us to this site… All too often, it turns into a school lunchroom where all the nice kids are constantly getting heckled and insulted by one obnoxious moron & bully, and then, when they get so pissed off at all of the BS, they occasionally lash out at him….

              Allowing for a free exchange of ideas, from ALL different angles, is great David, & I admire your tolerance… But anything can be taken too far, and this troll has been heckling our forum and insulting us since he got here and he contributes nothing but distasteful noise… One reasonable comment surrounded by 100 insults, does not = constructive dialogue…

            • September 25, 2009 8:19 pm

              Carter violated the first rule of our commenting guidelines with his “silly idiot” remark. Pbrauer was right about that. That’s all I’m agreeing with him on.

            • Swemson permalink
              September 25, 2009 9:21 pm

              The troll was right about what ? All he said was “#1” Am I missing something here… ?

              As far as Carter violating the rules goes… you have to admit he did so with grace and style …

            • September 26, 2009 7:02 am

              It was a hyperlink to the commenting guidelines.

  8. pbrauer permalink
    September 25, 2009 3:58 pm

    That sounds like a THREAT to me.

  9. LanceThruster permalink
    September 25, 2009 4:16 pm

    The professor from Occidental College was able to support all his contentions. He’s got a book out showing how Reich Wing propaganda has unfairly villified this group.

  10. pbrauer permalink
    September 25, 2009 6:59 pm

    Here is the real reason conservatives go after ACORN.

  11. theblanque permalink
    September 25, 2009 7:50 pm

    Paul Weyrich was “the founder of the conservative movement”?!?!

    I’m sorry–I think I ruptured my spleen laughing at that…

  12. theblanque permalink
    September 25, 2009 7:53 pm

    Hey, pbrauer;

    This one’s for you!

    • pbrauer permalink
      September 26, 2009 9:01 am

      Cool, I watched and enjoyed the whole video. Thanks.

  13. Marsan permalink
    September 26, 2009 2:15 am

    The topic was Maddow, not Pbrauer.

    Am starting to feel sorry for the obnoxious Troll; he lurks in the shadows, doesn’t miss a beat, always ready to argue, for the sake of arguing. Guess the poor lonely Troll gets more attention here than anywhere else. Strangely, even if attention is negative, he loves it here.

    Need say more…and about Rachel Maddow, um, well….she’s a lot like Pbrauer Troll, overreaches!!

  14. carterthewriter permalink
    September 26, 2009 5:27 am

    I am sorry if I offended anyone and shall move on. I tried this forum twice and seemed to have lost my way and upset the moderator.

    Pbrauer, you succeeded, sir. Have a nice day, sir.

    • September 26, 2009 6:42 am

      Oh you didn’t upset me, my friend. Just be careful. The trolls will try and provoke you into insulting them. That’s what they live for.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

      • Swemson permalink
        September 26, 2009 12:33 pm

        Well said my friend…

    • Marsan permalink
      September 26, 2009 1:34 pm

      Carterthewriter, get back here! The troll wins nothing! The attention-seeking Pbrauer bullies his way like a bully on a school playground taking kid’s lunch money!

      You’re the quarter-back, everyone’s favorite, defending the kid losing his lunch money. So, make my day!

      Like I said, the blog was about Maddow…yet, David’s comment shifted the attention on the Troll…It’s Swindle’s blog rules, and about ‘semantics.’

      ie. Pbrauer is mentally challenged, lacking in critical thinking and analytical skills! There, Mr. Troll, are you looking around for your lieutenant’s to defend you? Go visit Maddow, and if she creates value in you, then you would have been right.

      Meantime, why don’t you abide by the rules? Are you allowed to call someone a Pinhead around here?

      .

      • Marsan permalink
        September 26, 2009 1:42 pm

        Carter, am rewriting the following; it is meant for the Troll…

        ie. Pbrauer is mentally challenged, lacking in critical thinking and analytical skills! There, Mr. Troll, are you looking around for your lieutenant’s to defend you? (Troll) Go visit Maddow, and if she creates value in you, then you would have been right.

        Meantime, Mr. Troll, why don’t you abide by the rules?

        Are we allowed to call someone a Pinhead around here?

        .

      • pbrauer permalink
        September 26, 2009 9:17 pm

        Marsan,

        It’s very puzzling to me why I would care what you call me. Name callers are just schoolyard bullies. I am an adult and I don’t care what obstinate children call me.

  15. September 26, 2009 5:51 am

    Rachel who? Never heard of her.

    • Marsan permalink
      September 26, 2009 1:39 pm

      LOL, I don’t doubt you’ve never heard of Rachel Maddow; MSNBC has the lowest ratings in the ethers!

      She’s the one with the boyish look and the snide grin as she looks at the camera in disbelief that anyone would dare think for themselves.

  16. pbrauer permalink
    September 26, 2009 9:03 am

    Tim and Alissa :If by “opinion” you mean “pointing out facts and stories that the left would rather ignore the MSM refuses to cover” perhaps.

    The story is that conservatives have been after the civil right group ACORN because they seek to register poor people to vote. And they will likely vote for the Democratic Party candidate. ACORN is not a criminal enterprise as conservatives suggest, sure they have had some ‘bad apples’ who have turned in bogus registration forms, but as Rachel said the other evening ACORN has caught 80% of those themselves. She also correctly said the fact that because the U.S. Military has some ‘bad apples’ doesn’t make them a criminal enterprise either. She also correctly said the firing of some the U.S. Attorneys by the Bush administration is involved here. Please show an instance where illegal votes were cast through the efforts of ACORN. Ironically, Ann Coulter was guilty of vote fraud.

    Tim and Alissa :Maybe you read Stanley Kurtz, who despite relentless mob-like attacks on him in Chicago did the heavy lifting in finding the Obama-ACORN ties. That’s real journalism.
    Obviously as hit job. George W. Bush has strong links to Jack Abramoff, ‘Kenny Boy’ Lay. Jack Abramoff is in prison and before Lay died he was convicted of conspiracy and fraud. Did Stanley cover these real criminals? Of course not

    Tim and Alissa: Maddow is on record as saying she won’t have conservative guests on. She claims elected Republicans aren’t “engaged with the debate” – a laughable claim at best — and that the others who would come on “don’t have jobs.” Funny, they have the same job she does. Wonder if Maddow receives unemployment?

    You know darn well that Rachel has had conservatives on her show. Mark McKinnon, Go. Mark Stanford, Pat Buchanan, Mike Huckabee to name a few.

    The text in the Newsbusters post appears to be edited, ellipses always bring up red flags to me.
    =====================================
    As Rachel says: ‘One more thing’

    It appears as though, the effort to defund ACORN is unconstitutional, as a watcher of Maddow’s show, you know why.

    • September 26, 2009 9:45 am

      This whole argument is an ad hominem smear. Pbrauer is saying that the only reason conservatives are being critical of ACORN is because ACORN registers poor people to vote and conservatives don’t want poor people to vote because if they do then they’ll vote Democrat.

      It’s conspiracy theory and it’s ad hominem. It fits into Pbrauer’s only argument he ever articulates here: CONSERVATIVES ARE HORRIBLE, EVIL PEOPLE WHO LIE ABOUT WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO. Coincidentally that is the principle message of Rachel Maddow.

      So here’s the question for Pbrauer: do you respect us, sir?

      If the answer is “yes” then please stop smearing our character by saying we want to keep poor people from voting and we’re lying about our reasons for going after ACORN. Start showing that you respect us by treating us as equals instead of sticking yourself on a moral pedestal

      If the answer is “no” then you can find somewhere else to troll.

      • Marsan permalink
        September 26, 2009 1:53 pm

        Finally…Mr. Troll, did you get that?

        I find it difficult for a Carttheright to feel admonished when the likes of a person like Pbrauer, who lacks comprehension skills of an article, appearing here just to debate (according to him) pushing defense triggers and then cries “wolf.” I just realized he’s so much like Rachel Maddow!

        Pbrauer scores no points with anyone. In spite of the blog rules, I was not offended by him being called an idiot; Troll needs to stop doing “idiotic” posts. If anything, I did not find it offensive that Carttheright cut thru the chase on this one!

        • September 26, 2009 3:10 pm

          If you’re in a bar fight and someone says something disrespectful to provoke you and you rightfully punch them in the face then you’re the one that goes to jail. Rule of Law sucks sometimes doesn’t it? Not that I’m doing anything to Carter other than encouraging him not to let the trolls get the best of him.

          • Marsan permalink
            September 26, 2009 4:03 pm

            David,

            I don’t discount your No. 1 Rule. Analogies tend to fall short; in this case, simply because this scenario is not even remotely similar to a bar. Do people go to a bar to have intelligent discussions of current events? Everything is relative; the subject matter would differ and smacking people comes with the territory in an unruly bar full of mouthy, out of control inebriated people. And, yes, to the guy “at a bar” taking the first punch going to jail . I find the content of PBrauer’s posts is insulting, translating into a description of dumb liars and ignorant ranting bloggers. He even labeled himself No. 1 – very subtle of him to get away with it.

            However, this is a pretty safe thought provoking environment and can hardly be compared to antagonism of the 3rd kind in a social setting. I still say the content blog went south when the Troll felt recognition from the moderator. Thank you for bringing the discussion back on track and firmly addressing the Troll.

            My take here is “agree to disagree.” There’s no need to “win” the argument. It’s not right, it’s not wrong. It is what it is: a point of view disagreement. As long as Troll appears here to apply his no. 1 rule (to be obnoxious), we can expect more of the same.

            It will be interesting to see how we finally conclude the Rachel Maddow discussion.

      • jbtrevor permalink
        September 26, 2009 3:06 pm

        Bravo David!

      • pbrauer permalink
        September 26, 2009 6:01 pm

        David:This whole argument is an ad hominem smear. Pbrauer is saying that the only reason conservatives are being critical of ACORN is because ACORN registers poor people to vote and conservatives don’t want poor people to vote because if they do then they’ll vote Democrat.

        Let me clarify, I didn’t mean to smear conservatives. You believe what you believe, that doesn’t mean you are lying or dishonest or don’t want poor people to vote. I do believe that’s the motive of the people who concoct stories about ACORN. I’ve followed this story for a couple of years now. Have you followed the U.S. Attournys scandal where 9 will let go by Bush. Many were presured to push the voter fraud angle even though it didn’t exist. You believe ACORN is a corrupt organization and I’m here to tell you they are not corrupt. Do they have some problem? Sure they do, the U.S. military has a few bad apples that doesn’t mean they are corrupt, does it?

        The charge from the right has been that they have been participanting in voter fraud (somebody illegally voting), but nobody connected to ACORN has been convicted of voter fraud. How come?

        Has a few ACORN workers turned in false registerations. Yup, they sure have. But in 80% of the cases have been caught by ACORN management. In New Mexico some registration forms had the names of Mickey Mouse and the Dallas Cowboys. Do you seriously believe they voted?

        David:It’s conspiracy theory and it’s ad hominem. It fits into Pbrauer’s only argument he ever articulates here: CONSERVATIVES ARE HORRIBLE, EVIL PEOPLE WHO LIE ABOUT WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO. Coincidentally that is the principle message of Rachel Maddow.

        I don’t believe conservatives are horrible, evil people. However, I’ll tell you it’s been my esperience that many of today’s conservatives believe those things about liberals.

        David:So here’s the question for Pbrauer: do you respect us, sir?

        If the answer is “yes” then please stop smearing our character by saying we want to keep poor people from voting and we’re lying about our reasons for going after ACORN. Start showing that you respect us by treating us as equals instead of sticking yourself on a moral pedestal

        If the answer is “no” then you can find somewhere else to troll.
        I do respect you. Do you respect me? Where have I indicated that I am on some moral pedestal? I don’t feel I fit the definition of troll as you suggest. Maybe some specifics?

        • Swemson permalink
          September 26, 2009 6:08 pm

          David… be careful..

          He’s talking about himself in the third person now, and that’s a pretty damn good indication that he’s stopped taking his meds..

          Remember Rommel ?

        • September 27, 2009 10:10 am

          Your response on Tim and Alissa’s most recent Rachel Maddow post proves your troll-like nature and your reliance on ad hominem argumentation.

          http://newsrealblog.com/2009/09/26/artificial-sweetener-a-second-round-of-acorn-covering-fire-a-defense-from-our-childhood/#comment-10037

          You don’t address the arguments that we make here at NewsReal. Your objective is not to engage us in intellectual discussion. Your objective is to undermine and to sabotage. And to do that you throw out crap that has little or nothing to do with the point that the article is trying to make.

          Your further objective is to provoke and harass. You do this in your most recent comment by mocking Tim and Alissa for their degree in English (creative writing emphasis.) You routinely violate points 1, 5 and 11 of our commenting guidelines and I’m done tolerating it.

        • Tom Trevor permalink
          September 27, 2009 8:21 pm

          You just have to be kidding. Comparing teaching apparent prostitutes how to avoid taxes and voter fraud to Bush firing A.G.s, who everyone agrees serve at the pleasure of the President. You clearly do not want to be taken seriously.

  17. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 27, 2009 3:32 am

    politicalmoxie
    I was just wondering is there some reason you type in all caps. It is like being yelled at? Just curious.

  18. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 27, 2009 3:42 am

    carterthewriter
    I hate to inform you but he was born a silly idiot. He obviously cannot stomach Madcow or his own kind because he spends so much time haunting this format. However he does serve a purpose to remind everyone of the kind of people Madcow, Olbie and Sergeant Schultz attract. As long as pbrain is attacking us we know we are on target and on the right and honerable path.

  19. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 27, 2009 4:22 am

    pbrauer
    I cannot answer for David but let me make my self clear I have no respect for you period. You intenionally mislead or lie to effect your own purpose. The coruption in Acorn is well documented it is not just a few isolated cases they have people under indictment in more than 15 states and growing every day. The management of Acorn run there operation no differently than any other organized crime organization that is they have layer upon layer of subordinates that must be peeled away a layer at a time to get to the boss or the head that peeling is what is occurring now thanks to Beck and some others like him who I do not really watch that much. Now they have peeled of another layer and found that taxpayers money went for political purposes. The rabbit hole on this will go very deep and some titans will fall. I really do not know the rules that well but to avoid calling you an idiot let me just say you are corupt of mind and an affront to decent people of good will that seek honesty and responsibility of those that represent us or so called news reporters like Rachel Madcow and I honestly did not know we could not call you an idiot. So if I pointed out in the past that you are an idiot I did not realize I was breaking a rule and hope you understand that my pointing out your idiocy was done so in the fervent hope you would realize your condition and take the necessary steps to correct said condition. But I have given up on that approach and understand that you will remain so afflicted the rest of your life. I will try to refrain from pointing out the obvious in regard to Mr.pbrauer in the future and throw my self on the mercy of the court while hoping the subject of this ill timed discussion throws himself under one of Obama’s buses.

  20. Theresa permalink
    September 27, 2009 12:03 pm

    Yikes. i can’t take two seconds of her. Who can? What are her ratings, And, on a serparte but realted query I though Matthews got canned. Why is he still on TV. Racheal needs to GO, but then again they woudl just replace her with another White House mook.

    • September 27, 2009 1:01 pm

      The Birkels have a strong stomach. And since they are new parents with a toddler in the house they also have a great deal of patience. They handle Maddow so you don’t have to.

  21. Jack Hampton permalink
    September 28, 2009 3:08 am

    God Bless them for there good work but I would have to keep replacing TV sets or remove any objects that can be thrown.

  22. LanceThruster permalink
    September 28, 2009 9:33 am

    How vocal are you all about Diebold election tampering? They’ve been caught multiple times falsefying their testing and validation documents. They should be banned from government contracts as well, no?

    Thank goodness for the whistleblower (Stephen Heller) who was willing to do time (and lose his right to vote) rather than allow Diebold to perpetrate criminal fraud.

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