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NewsReal Sunday: Michael Moore uses Democracy and Finds Jesus – for socialism propaganda.

September 27, 2009

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Michael Moore‘s new film, “Capitalism: A Love Story” is garnering  a lot of media attention and plenty of media praise.  In his interviews he reveals his strategy to destroy capitalism and insert socialism.  He uses techniques right out of the pages of  Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.  He takes the resentment of the corruption and failures related to Wall Street this past year as a platform to push for radical change.  As Alinsky wrote, the organizer

“must first rub raw the resentments of the people; fan the latent hostilities to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act.”

Moore takes this public anger at Wall Street corruption and jumps the shark to say that the culprit of this evil greed is capitalism itself.  For Moore capitalism = greed.  Here is one exchange he had on primetime television with Jay Leno:

LENO: Well, it’s interesting in the film. You say capitalism is evil. I think greed is evil, but I think capitalism is OK as long as you, I mean, moderation in all things. I mean, uh, explain.

MOORE: Yeah, well, capitalism, capitalism is actually legalized greed.

Michael Moore, like Alinsky taught, believes that the end goal is “the radicalization of the middle class”.  To get to that goal the organizer must learn “to talk the language of those with whom one is trying to converse.”  Use whatever language works and make sure it centers around morality.  Moore has chosen two ways of doing that.  Instead of calling for socialism by name, he calls for democracy.  And to convince people of the morality of it, Moore manipulates the teachings of Jesus in a way that makes Jesus sound like a socialist (without using that word of course).  So Moore’s plan of attack is to turn socialism into simply democracy and the values of Jesus.

Instead of Christianity being the enemy of the left — Alinsky understood that would turn people off as we see with Bill Maher’s work — Moore decides to pervert Christianity as a tool for socialistic propaganda.  It’s been tried many times before, but not so often with film.

Here is Moore on Larry King on Wednesday giving his not-so new economic theology:

In this clip notice how he calls capitalism a system that is both “anti-democracy” and also something Jesus would not approve of.  Moore says we aren’t a democracy, because we can vote.  We are only a democracy and a Judeo-Christian nation if “we come up with a new economic order that is fair”.  Of course, all this is a coded and homogenized way of slipping in socialism.

Here is Moore on Countdown with Keith Olbermann:

Notice on left-wing Olbermann he drops almost all pretense that he cares so much about democracy or Christianity (because the regular middle-class that he wishes to radicalize doesn’t watch Olbermann).  It’s all anti-Reagan, anti-Bush, anti-Republican, and anti-conservative courts.  He even says at the end of the interview that the goal is to see the “people revolting”!

Back on Leno, Moore was talking about democracy and morality:

MOORE: No, not right. It’s wrong. Some things are just wrong. And this capitalist economic system that we have, it might have been right at one point, it’s not right now. And I don’t think we’re ever gonna put the genie back in the bottle. So we need to come up with something new to replace it. And I’m not talking about… This isn’t a debate between capitalism versus socialism.

LENO: Right.

MOORE: I’m actually suggesting go back to our roots of this country, democracy. What if we had an economy that you and I had a say in? Right now, we all don’t have much of a say in this economy. What if we applied our democratic principles and said, ‘We, the people, have a right to determine how this economy is run.’

Leftist magazine The Nation (which has often been a proponent of communism) treats the interview on Leno as one of the greatest moments in television history.  They claim if you missed that interview you “missed one of those rare moments when the vast wasteland gives way to an oasis of realism.”

Friday on The View, while talking to middle America once again, Michael Moore actually paraphrased the teachings of Jesus multiple times to help make his case for socialism by another name.  He has relabeled an old (and false) economic system to look new.  How did he come up with it?  Does he have a degree in either economics or seminary?  No, Moore was a college drop out with no experience with economics, and his only seminary experience was to join a Catholic Seminary after 8th grade.  “He admired the Berrigan brothers [radical anti-Vietnam War Catholic priests Daniel Berrigan and Philip Berrigan] and thought that the priesthood was the way to effect social change,” wrote The New Yorker‘s Larissa MacFarquhar in February 2004. “This resolve lasted only through his first year, though, after the Detroit Tigers made it to the World Series for the first time in Moore’s life and the seminary wouldn’t allow him to watch the games.”

Moore offers old wine in new wineskins.  There is nothing new in his attack on capitalism and perversion of New Testament scripture to support socialism.  It’s been done for decades.  Leftists, communists, socialists, and radicals have attempted to use Jesus as a god of their own socialist image.  The only thing new is that Moore is using film and popular television interview shows to push his drivel, and he is attaching it to a concept of “democracy” that sounds like good old fashioned socialism.

I would suggest anyone that starts to fall for Moore’s tactics read Poverty and Wealth: Why Socialism Doesn’t Work.  In that book, philosophy and theology professor Ronald Nash breaks down all the false arguments of socialism being the economic system of Jesus and the New Testament.  He writes,

“Unfortunately, many Christians act as though the only thing that counts is intention.  But when good intentions are not wedded to sound theory, especially sound economic theory, good intentions can result in actions that produce consequences directly opposite to those we planned.  This is precisely what has happened in the case of the social policies to help the poor adopted in the United States since 1965.”

Nash reveals in his books that people attempting to use Christ for leftist economics have no understanding of basic economics and “use the Bible as a weapon against capitalism.”  Some use it to push for a very liberal Democrat form of government, while others “use the Bible to show that God is a Marxist.”  And the result has been that such policies meant to help the poor have actually kept them in poverty.  Moore, for example, in his interviews uses the idea that our economy is a fixed pie.  And the rich take 9 slices and only leave us one.  He thinks that isn’t fair.  He has a false understanding of free enterprise.  In capitalism, that pie exists because of bold free marketeers.  And the pie size is not fixed.  In fact, the better the entrepreneurs do in creating wealth, the bigger the pie gets for everyone.  Moore would rather the government steal the whole pie and then hand it out evenly until there is no more pie left.

Jesus did condemn making wealth your God.  And many of the problems we saw in the economy this past year stem from that very problem.  However, it is error to then make a jump that Jesus condemned all wealth.  He never did.  Jesus had great friends and followers who were wealthy (Luke 14:1).  He stayed and ate with wealthy people (Luke 11:37).  He even was buried in the tomb of a rich  man.

Jesus also used parables that told his feelings on wealth.  Many of them centered on the call for Christians to use their privately owned wealth as stewards for good things (Luke 12 and 16).  He at no times suggests that we give our private wealth to the government, so that they can redistribute it.  To make that conclusion from the New Testament is a misrepresentation at best, and in the case of Moore, plain old manipulation.

Moore, we know your strategy.  We are calling you out.  Instead of making movies trying to convince us all to be radicals like you, why don’t you just share that $50 million plus personal empire you have with the poor of our society.  Set an example instead of shoving propaganda.

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28 Comments
  1. jbtrevor permalink
    September 27, 2009 7:10 am

    Well, what Moore also leaves out when applying Jesus to his “theory” is this.

    Jesus never said following him/his teachings was a multiple choice life journey; all or nothing so to speak. Many times He got irritated by people who attempted to become selective and he in particular loathed people who constantly pointed out the failings of others while ignoring their own shortcomings.

    And Jesus never said “take from others to meet the needs of the people”; he said give. There is a huge difference.

    Is Moore advocating forced giving? YES

    • MCHnDFW permalink
      September 27, 2009 9:00 am

      “Is Moore advocating forced giving? YES”

      I call it forced charity (same thing) but it is an absolute contradiction. In a moral and educated society it is more accurately defined as plain old armed robbery or legalized slavery… something that, in spite of stated intentions and goals, is still nothing but nasty immoral means to a supposed moral end.

      Neither Jesus nor the founders of this country would have been fooled by Michael Moore’s and the left’s tactics today; they would have recognized them in a split second as a snake oil salesmen and charlatans that they are.

      Another monomer is that Michael Moore and his ilk are in fact attacking capitalism. What they are mainly attacking is a mixed system of big government protectionism and then ironically they are prescribing even more of the same poison as the solution.

      The guy has absolutely no idea what he is talking about most of the time and his only advantage is that the majority of the public and the media today are even more poorly educated and clueless on the subject than he is.

    • Tom Trevor permalink
      September 27, 2009 7:54 pm

      Add Jesus to the very long list of thing Michael Moore knows nothing about.

  2. Cas Balicki permalink
    September 27, 2009 11:12 am

    Greed is one of the seven deadly sins, but then, so is envy. It is interesting that the left can see the mot in the other’s eye and yet miss the bough its own.

    What the left sees is only the corporate profits that conceivably accrue year after year in some capitalist’s pocket. They never look at the structure of dependency that accompanies the pursuit of profit. That the middle-class, that tranche of the population Moore would like to enlist in his war against capitalism, is that portion of the population that owes its very existence to capitalism seems to go unnoticed by him. If we compare profits earned against wages paid there is simply no comparison, the far greater portion of corporate revenues go to wages. Wages in turn go to paying for silly things like food, clothing, and, yes, taxes to support the anti-capitalist mostly unemployed socialists of this world. Other balance sheet entries, such as interest and dividends, both vital elements in the capitalist system, also go unnoticed by Moore. Yet it can be safely said that these also serve as life-blood in the maintenance of a healthy and prosperous middle class, for the rich are not alone in their dependence on the capitalist’s prosperity.

    Let us set aside Moore’s predilection for propaganda, as there is no point dwelling on the obvious, and move to the nature of his argument. By casting greed as evil, he has taken to argument by caricature. A caricature is for the most part an exaggeration of small characteristics to make a point. The best caricatures are powerful stimulants to argument while the worst are lies that hide truth. The truth hidden by Michael Moore in his characterisation of greed is the plain fact that greed is a destructive force that does not cease to exist when the political winds change. No matter what Ayn Rand might have written greed is not in and of itself a good. Ambition, talent, and delayed consumption are all very good and generally things greed contradicts in favour of immediate gratification. None of Rand’s books focus on immediate self-gratification. Indeed, one of the major problems with corporations in this results oriented age is the pressure for immediate rewards to the prejudice of investment in long term capital intensive project. But this is not one of Moore’s criticisms, so I’ll let it pass for now.

    The reason that greed is such a destructive force is that accumulation for its own sake in counter-productive to the very nature of capitalism. A capitalist does not profit by locking up his fortune. What real capitalism does is transfer money from savers to investors so that a finite resource, capital, can be amassed and transferred to its users. The users in turn take that capital and reinvest it. The greedy do not reinvest, they hold for their fear losing capital outweighs their desire for potential profit. Now I didn’t bring up Jesus, but now that his teachings are thrust into the debate, one of His parables focuses on this very issue. Could it be that Jesus was really an investor at heart?

  3. Elaine permalink
    September 27, 2009 3:10 pm

    Simply put, when a majority of people are unable to sort the garbage from the good stuff, how in the world can we expect to survive?

  4. September 27, 2009 4:52 pm

    Why anyone would attend a Michael Moore film other than for a coupla corny guffaws is way beyond my grasp. He alledges to be a documentary filmmaker and he unspools his latest stream of rants at capitalism, per se. Yet there’s great irony here: Moore is to documentary films what Enron’s Andrew Fastow etal were to financial reporting. So we should drink deep from someone who plays fast-and-loose with rules of filmmaking in a film about someone who play fast-and-loose with rules about moneymaking? I love it!

  5. September 27, 2009 6:16 pm

    he-who makes huge money from a public that is so foolish they think he is telling the truth-its so bas here that Haitians who try to escape bypass Cuba(his idea of paradise) which is 53 miles from Haiti-and risk there life to get here which is 523 miles to Florida-Why?-because they know that so far they have a shot at a good life-(I”m not for ileagal aliens) what does the fat rat have to say about that-

    • September 28, 2009 3:04 am

      A recent factoid about Cuba escaped widespread notice. Seems there’s a shortage of toilet paper on the island and Cubans are forced to wipe clean with whatever’s close at hand – palm leaves, carpet scraps, or – yech – one’s own hand. The New York Times is a hot ticket item. No wonder Haitians by-pass Cuba.

      • Steve R permalink
        September 28, 2009 11:45 am

        The NYTimes is being used as a substitute for toilet tissue in Cuba? Wow — they do something right there, at least.

  6. September 27, 2009 6:18 pm

    I would not watch him if he set himself on fire

    • Tom Trevor permalink
      September 27, 2009 7:56 pm

      That I would watch.

      • Steve R permalink
        September 28, 2009 11:46 am

        Ditto!

  7. paul w jackson permalink
    September 28, 2009 2:12 am

    It’s been a long day and I am worn out,reading what Michael Moore writes just wears me out even more. The man has not one ounce of logic in his head!

  8. rosine ghawji permalink
    September 28, 2009 5:26 am

    “Unfortunately, many Christians act as though the only thing that counts is intention. ”

    Michael Moore should learn more about Christianity because this statement is false/
    “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”

  9. Joseph White permalink
    September 28, 2009 5:38 am

    It doesn’t surprise me that Michael Moore has never read the founding documents, or bothered to study what the founding fathers thought about free trade and business practices.

    Even though it isn’t in the constitution, per say, the founding fathers very much believed in free enterprise and in capitalism. If you have any doubts, read the 5000 year leap. It’s excellent reading.

    It’s also not surprising that Michael Moore doesn’t seem to realize that it’s Captialism that allows him to make movies and sell them, even though people might not want to watch them. If this were his beloved socialist state, he’d be broke, since the department of propaganda would be making films and he’d be lined up against the wall.

    When will people realize that for all our faults, this really is the best country to live in?

  10. The Inquisitor permalink
    September 28, 2009 6:30 am

    Wages are not paid out of profits. They are paid out of capital. Modern day Luddites like Moore want nothing less than to destroy wages.

  11. Riven permalink
    September 28, 2009 8:52 am

    Ok. few things.
    1. None of you have seen the movie. So until you do, you do not have the whole message of the film.
    2. Mike is on the left wing. Much like many of you are on the right wing. So some of his views are more extreme, then this liberal. However, his views are not completely getting rid of capitalism, he believes that over the last 30 years the system has been taken over by greed. From the 1980’s you have CEO’s laying off people by the thousands, sending labor overseas, stagnating wages, an influx of illegal immigrants reducing wages, not because the company was going broke, but to make more money for their profits. And many of you will have to work for a year to make as much money as the CEO will make today. Is this democratic or even fair. He knows about human nature. We need to set up systems that keep our human nature of self interest from negatively impacting the rest of the population. The CEO who laid off thousands of people did not think we was doing anything wrong. even though many lost their home, retirement and healthcare because of it.
    3. He also talks about our political system is no longer democratic. Companies are spending millions lobbying to get rid of regulation and to keep new ones that might help the people. A majority of Americans want a public option for healthcare, but the Senate says it may not pass. A majority of Americans wanted caps on interest rates that credit cards could charge, they did not get that either. Also why is it illegal for you to go to Canada and re-import drugs back to the US, pharma. (who also gave us the doughnut hole in the drug bill under Bush and gave the congressmen who was the main person leading it a 2 million dollar a year job after he left congress) Is this democracy where the majority rules. No this is corporate interest buying their way at the expense of the rest of us.
    4. He was also talking about his views on the teachings of Jesus. Is this system Christian, no. Why are so many Christian against helping the sick, or regulating the rich from taking advantage of the poor. Jesus or Michael do not have a problem with people making money. We all hope that we no longer have to worry about an income. But those that do it by robbing from the poor and taking advantage of the sick (according to Christian teaching) will be forced to pay for their sins.
    5. You want socialism, talk to the bankers who lost all your 401k money and got a bailout from the government.
    Part of the reason that we are where we are is that the middle class has been hit from all angles, rising energy cost, rising healthcare (4x rate of wages and 11x rate of inflation) credit cards that charge 30 percent, college prices going up. What is your solution. Mike gives his.

    • The Inquisitor permalink
      September 28, 2009 9:47 am

      “And many of you will have to work for a year to make as much money as the CEO will make today. Is this democratic or even fair.”

      What is unfair about it? Some movie stars and athletes make as much in a day as I do in a year. So what? I never thought that was unfair. Do you?

    • jbtrevor permalink
      September 28, 2009 2:38 pm

      Riven, in response to some of what you said (simply):

      1. “CEO’s laying off people by the thousands” – yes sometimes CEO’s lay off people. Unlike the Government, they can’t simply print money to meet expenses. What you fail to mention is CEO’s also hire thousands of people, provide jobs, training, opportunites, etc

      2. “Sending labor overseas” Yes, when Government interference/regulation in business, markets, interstate + international commerce, etc coupled with the stranglehold employee unions have on business decisions make it impossible to do business here, businesses leave. Want that to change? Get your Senator + Representative to get out of micromanaging US companies.

      3. “have stagnating wages” Ditto the above answer and get rid of mandatory minimum wage. When a company has to start people out at a higher wage it means they have less money to pay people who have been there longer.

      4. ” an influx of illegal immigrants reducing wages” All due to the Goverment regulations and controls listed above not to mention lack of enforcement of immigration laws.

      5. ” not because the company was going broke, but to make more money for their profits.” Would you prefer the company go broke? Then there would be no jobs, no wages. It is the job of the company and it’s CEO to make money. In order to grow a business and employ more people, profits are need to make that investment.

      6. “He also talks about our political system is no longer democratic”

      Our political system was never democratic…we have always been a Republic. Unfortunately you suffer from Leftist indoctrination whereby the Government is the answer to all human conditions, regulates all life, and where only a few control the rest of us.

      Most Americans want individual freedom and not have every aspect of their life controlled by the Government. That’s not the America Michael Moore sees. He sees an American revised to his (Leftist/neo-Communist) ideals where there are no individuals…everything is everybody’s, everybody is equal in outcome regardless of input/effort. That exists in China, Cuba, etc where economic + social outcome of everyone is equal…equally poor {except of course those in control}.

      7. “Why are so many Christian against helping the sick”

      No one is against helping the sick…we (Christian or not) are against taking every last dime we have and pouring it into a system that will fail + eventually not be able to take care of anybody (rationing). And a system that will succeed in making sure we are all enslaved to it.

      8. “or regulating the rich from taking advantage of the poor.” What in the heck are you talking about, really I want to know?

      Julie

      • Joseph White permalink
        September 28, 2009 10:56 pm

        Julie, you mentioned, “Our political system was never democratic…we have always been a Republic.”

        You are right and you are wrong. Our political system is democratic, because we all get to vote on our representatives (Congress,) and our president. We are also a Republic, in that our democraticly elected are supposed to represent us. However, in recent years, they represent the people who have more cash than us, namely lobbyist and big business.

        • Joseph White permalink
          September 28, 2009 11:01 pm

          I should have done all this at one time…lol.

          Julie again said, “7. “Why are so many Christian against helping the sick”

          No one is against helping the sick…we (Christian or not) are against taking every last dime we have and pouring it into a system that will fail + eventually not be able to take care of anybody (rationing). And a system that will succeed in making sure we are all enslaved to it.”

          I have to agree with Julie here, namely in that Christ said that it was up to the church to take care of people, it’s not the job of government. Also, Just today, they tried to slip in the old, “We are going to let the illegal immigrant on to the health care insurance roles,” and people wonder why we don’t want any part of this nonsense.

        • jbtrevor permalink
          September 29, 2009 5:44 am

          Joseph,
          the term I should have used was “representative” republic and been more clear on the workings of government, not elections.
          I think Moore was referring to how our government works rather than how they get elected.
          Thanks,
          Julie
          PS, do I get the “flying fickle finger of fate” award for by keyboarding faster than my brain? LOL

  12. MMM permalink
    September 28, 2009 8:52 am

    micheal moore has missed it: THE middle class is in the act of rebelling — against Obama’s socialist agenda. Moore is so out of touch he doesn’t realize it.

  13. Winnie Hines permalink
    September 28, 2009 9:50 am

    If it weren’t for capitalism, Mr Moore wouldn’t have an venue for what he does, if it weren’t already a democracy, again he wouldn’t have that same venue to put out the rot that he puts out.

    Mr. Moore, you are making big bucks with your garbage….and socialism is your game, are you willing to share all the big bucks with the less monitarily enriched people of this country???? I DOUBT IT VERY MUCH!!! But you continually denigrate the very country with it’s capitalism/democracy that brings you such wealth… YOU ARE A RAGING HYPOCRITE!!!!!

  14. September 28, 2009 10:17 am

    It is amazing that the the rich who have it all ridicule their nation and govrenment which made it possible. No sense of thanksgiving, gratitude and concern for their nation nor for the good of others. If and when calamity should strike or health fails them, it will be a far differerent cry. Who will listen then?
    Stanford Linzey

  15. MaryAnn permalink
    September 28, 2009 10:31 am

    It is truly sad that there is such widespread misunderstanding about what Jesus taught. I think this misunderstanding is at the root of what ails our economy and our country. If people spent as much time reading and praying about what Jesus taught as they do talking about Him, most of our problems would be solved. Truth and reason, faith and logic, capitalism and charity (true charity, not government theft). It starts with God and the individual, entities that governments work overtime to destroy.

  16. October 2, 2009 11:32 am

    Speaking of Democracy! Can anyone tell me how many times the word ‘Democracy’ appears in the Declaration of Independence, The Bill of Rights, or The Constitution?

    If so please site the reference, because I cannot find it anywhere and neither will you. The word ‘Democracy’ was a bane to the founders because they knew from past history that Democracies turn into oligarchies by the wealthy almost over nite, i.e. the Roman Empire!

    Now it’s the USA! We are a Federated Republic under law, NOT a socialist demoncracy, as portrayed and promoted by the Michael Moores of the world!

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