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Neo-Communist Left (Michael Moore) Debates Neo-Socialist Left (Bill Maher) on Real Time, Part 1

October 6, 2009


Neo-Communist propaganda artist Michael Moore‘s new film Capitalism: A Love Story officially bombed in its opening weekend. It made a scant $4,447,378. Why is this after the comparative successes of Fahrenheit 9/11 and Sicko?

The answer is quite simple: the focus of his previous films was hardly so fringe. Fahrenheit 9/11 critiqued the Bush administration, the War on Terror, and the Iraq War. Sicko attacked America’s crappy health care system. (Note: One can still oppose Obamacare while acknowledging the health care status quo in our country sucks.) These were issues that could resonate with more than just the Leftist True Believers. Centrists and independents could often be engaged as well.

Not so much with this new work. In Capitalism: A Love Story Moore lets his red freak flag fly in an all out assault on the capitalist system. In an interview with fellow leftist comedian Bill Maher on HBO’s “Real Time” we see just how radical Moore really is. Even Maher (who we’ve critiqued continually here at NewsReal) isn’t buying his propaganda:

Maher: I still don’t understand what direction we are supposed to move in. I mean capitalism I agree with you has gone off the rails, it’s become cronyism, it’s become corporate welfare. But in my way of thinking, the opposite of capitalism is communism. Which was trying to make the river flow in the wrong direction. At least capitalism is using what’s in human nature, which is greed. I agree that river needs a lot of dams and locks on it, it needs a lot of regulation – wouldn’t that be better than scraping the system?

Moore: We’ve heard that now for about a year since the crash. All we need are to get those regulations. How many regulations have been passed? Zero… He [Obama] has a choice to make now. Is he going to side with the people or is he going to side with Wall Street? I’m counting on him siding with the people. I believe that’s what he’s going to do and that’s what we expect him to do.

There could not be a clearer illustration of why Moore is a Neo-Communist.

Let’s break this down nice and simply because the use of “Neo-Communist,” as confrontational as it might be, is not some slur. It’s an accurate, well-thought-out descriptor of Moore’s ideology.

One of the cornerstones of Marxist thought is the division of the world into two conflicting classes: the noble proletariat workers and the malevolent bourgeoisie owners. In the Marxist schema the bourgeoisie are perpetually exploiting the proletariat. The politically ideology then flows from this basic assumption that those with less money are being screwed by those with more money.

Does this sound familiar?

All Moore — and many other so-called “progressives” — have done is replace proletariat with “the people” and bourgeoisie with “Wall Street.” My “populist progressive” friend Pat (who recently started his own blog) does this too. It’s a kitsch Marxism that is blind to the reality perceived by the vast majority of Americans: the fates of Wall Street and Main Street are intimately linked. Those that live on Main Street work for corporations that are listed on Wall Street. One cannot succeed for long at the expense of the other. This distinction between the “haves” and the “have nots” as two separate, warring entities has been demonstrated to be a lie.

But that’s not all Moore is up to. And there’s more to understand about his fringe ideology. Come back tomorrow evening as I continue the dissection of this encounter. In the mean time, check out NewsReal’s previous refutations of Moore:

David Horowitz: “Creators and Destroyers”

Michael van der Galien: “Morning Joe Pimps Michael Moore’s New Propaganda”

Paul Cooper: NewsReal Sunday: Michael Moore uses Democracy and Finds Jesus – for socialism propaganda

  1. jbtrevor permalink
    October 6, 2009 6:02 pm

    I think you implied it without saying… Moore did not challenge Maher when he said the opposite of capitalism is communism…he articulated his own case for it. And despite Maher’s apparent dislike of communism as described by him…he didn’t seem to mind that it is what Moore is advocating…hmmmm

    • October 6, 2009 6:50 pm

      See part 2 tomorrow and part 3 on Thursday.

  2. Jack Hampton permalink
    October 7, 2009 6:03 am

    I know this is probably not the best forum to ask this question but my eye sight is not what it used to be at my age. But does Moore appear to be grossley obese? If I am seeing him properly I think we could feed the nation of Kenya on what he consumes? How does he reconcile his excessive consumption with his share it all idealogy? Mr. Swindle If this is unworthy I understand.

    • October 7, 2009 6:24 am

      I’ll tolerate this one Jack. Just remember there are plenty of fat guys on the Right too.

  3. Jack Hampton permalink
    October 7, 2009 6:38 am

    Okay Okay they can feed smaller countries.

  4. Fritz Becker permalink
    October 7, 2009 6:57 pm

    Seeing a Hollywood Marxist Millionaire is very amusing. How much is Micheal Moore worth, $56,000,000? Considering that I have never earned six figures in my entire life Moore’s ramblings about “The People” ring rather hollow to me. Do these fools like Moore realize what would happen to them if they actually got their way? Dear Mikey would be one of the first ones stripped of his property, hauled away, beaten, and shot in a basement somewhere. Since individuals do not matter, and profit is evil, the only motivation a communist regime can offer to get things done is clubs, guns, and terror.

  5. cee permalink
    October 8, 2009 9:28 am

    What Moores’ premise has that you consistently fail to understand is that it is not socialism or communism that he wants, but for the disparity of income between the rich, haves, top 1%, and the middle class not to be so great. And if the country keeps on the way it is headed one of several things might occur, the working poor will become so dispirited as they work them selves to death trying to stay alive; the underclass will become so large, ill-educated, and dispirited that they will fall prey to a leader who can formant revolt which will cause the breakup of the US much like the SovietUnion; or we will continue in our downward spiral leading us into being a 4th world country, one which has been great but is sinking into 3rd world status. the main thing is not that capitalism is bad. but that there must be a balance between classes, The ultra rich in our country are into the “let them eat cake” attitude that was the downfall of the French, or an English civil war which let to the Magna Carta followed by many years of minor revolutions based on both class and religion,

    I am not a support of an equalization of the classes where we all have nothing. but to turn away from another era of Robber Barons.

    • October 8, 2009 9:33 am

      I see you ignored my argument about how Moore’s vision of “wall street” and “the people” is no different than Marxism’s “bourgeoisie” and “proletariat.”

      I think I understand his premise, perhaps you just don’t understand mine because you do not have the same education in the nature of the Left that I do.

    • Jack Hampton permalink
      October 8, 2009 1:00 pm

      Moore is a hippocrit. He is with out doubt at the least a socialist when applied to others rather than himself. We have the richest poor in the world. The constitution just provides for equal oppertunity not equal outcome. What about that is so difficult to understand. Also what do you think the current so called leader is formenting? This is a very dangerous time and he is not helping.

    • Julie Trevor permalink
      October 8, 2009 6:46 pm


      I also would like to see the middle class and poor become wealthier, but I do not want them taking their “unearned success” from someone who earned it.

      You mention one of the things that “might” occur is the poor will become dis-spirited. I suggest there is not better way to dispirit anyone than to reward them for failure and ensure their dependence on other to perpetuate their status; which as long as we continue to reward their failure, they will ALWAYS be poor.


  6. November 25, 2009 7:04 pm

    Ideology is for the weak minded. Extreme left or right name calling is the best ideologues can come up with because they can’t understand the complexity of the topic and want to feel smart and have an opinion. But if you can’t understand the problem in a world that is so extreme, then you probably don’t have any real problems and politics is just a hobby to you. One that you’re really bad. You might as well pick something else, like golf. At least you’ll know that you suck at it.

    Power begets power. Government, business, whatever. There’s a revolving door in washington between the business world and government. When government and business are the same people it’s called fascism. So why does 1% of the world’s population have all the power and money? Because we give it to them. Nobody cares as long as they have 500 tv channels and a cell phone that makes waffles. 530 billion dollar a year bloated military industrial complex stealing the resources of the world and we still have a crumbling economy.

    Stop complaining, stop typing and DO something. Because if you give your power away there’s 100 lobbyists waiting in line that have already filled out and submitted their grant proposal waiting for some DUMB politician to give it away to them.

    The evolution is NOW.


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