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Crackpot Chronicles: Van Jones, Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, Rorschach, the Truthers, And Me – Part IV

October 7, 2009
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Conspiracy Nuts found their own superhero in Rorschach, from Alan Moore's graphic novel and the recent film adaptation "Watchmen."

We cannot confront the fallacies of conspiracy thinking in our political culture if we do not understand it. In recent weeks Van Jones, the President’s Green Jobs Czar, lost his job because of his embrace of conspiracy thinking. More recently popular talker Glenn Beck has been smeared by his opponents as a conspiracy nut. We can only decipher these issues and win these intellectual fights if we know just what kind of thinking needs to be isolated from political life.

I had not responded to the 9/11 Truther Crackpot’s last email but he felt inclined to email me again. He knew what buttons to push:

southpark-911truth-org

“How fortunate for governments, that people do not think”

A. Hitler

But, since there aren’t any conspiracies, some crazy moron probably made up that whole Nazi germany thing.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

E.V.

I never said there weren’t conspiracies. Conspiracists are absolutist in their thinking, unable to see nuance or ambiguity.

We further see a recurring motif in Conspiracist Crackpot thinking: an obsession with Nazism.

dave small

Comparing the United States to Nazi Germany is a common trope of whack-job conspiracy theorists. Everyone from Alex Jones to David Icke to Noam Chomsky does it. It only makes you look like more of an uneducated, conspiracy-indoctrinated moron by bringing it up. Try producing something original instead of just vomiting up garbage that’s been out circulating for decades.

-D

southpark-911truth-org

You merely prove the point. Do you really think that “human nature” has changed? Maybe instead of Nazi Germany, Communist Russia would be more understandable for you? How about N. Korea? Cuba? You Pick a government, now or in the past. What makes those people any different from you? “There are none so blind as those who “won’t” see”.

Probably the reason people keep bringing certain subjects up again and again is because “Those who forget the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them”.. What concept is it that you cannot grasp? Do you know what a sociopath is? This “is not” the best of all possible worlds Pangloss. A word of advice.

You should be very careful with respect to confidence games. You are a perfect mark.

E.V.

Have you noticed how frequently he’s resorted to quoting aphorisms?

Now he was starting to behave like a troll.

dave small

“You should be very careful with respect to confidence games. You are a perfect mark.”

Funny, looks like you’re the one who’s fallen for the conspiracists’ shell game.
-D

I’m a big fan of the phrase “shell game.” I almost like it as much as “crackpot.”

southpark-911truth-org

How so? Just saying so does not make it so.

E.V.

dave small

Read up a bit on conspiracy theory — from the theorists themselves, from those who study them, and those who refute them — and you’ll understand.

The more one knows about conspiracy theories the less one can believe in any of them as the absolute truth. And the more one will understand the logical fallacies that concpiracist thinkers make. Conspiracies emerge from what people either want to be true or what they fear is true.

In addition to Illuminatus!:

  1. The Biggest Secret by David Icke, a British conspiracy theorist who thinks that lizard creatures secretly control the world
  2. Maybe Logic: The Lives and Ideas of Robert Anton Wilson – the documentary that the previous clip is from
  3. Cosmic Trigger: The Final Secret of the Illuminati by Robert Anton Wilson – the first part of Wilson’s series of memoirs
  4. Them: Adventures With Extremists by Jon Ronson – A book by a British journalist about conspiracy theorists.
  5. Endgame – Just one of Alex Jones’ many crackpot conspiracy videos
  6. Rise of the Fourth Reich by Jim Marrs – One of the most popular conspiracy theorists. His book Crossfire was one of the inspirations for Oliver Stone’s JFK. See the Nazi fascination?
  7. Everything Is Under Control by Robert Anton Wilson – Wilson’s encyclopedia of conspiracy theories.

southpark-911truth-org

Attacking the messenger. Lazy. Foolish. A distraction. But very beneficial for those who wish to remain in the dark. It is said that the greatest accompilisment of the devil was to convince the world that “he” did not exist.

You still cling to the fallacy that conspiracies do not exist.

E.V.

It’s not some coincidence that he’s talking in the same clipped fashion as Rorschach, the conspiracy nutjob from Watchmen.

Again, I didn’t respond. But he came back for more, knowing an even better line of argument to use to dry and draw my attention.

Come back tomorrow for the concluding installment of “Crackpot Chronicles: Van Jones, Glenn Beck,  Ron Paul, Rorschach, the Truthers, And Me” in which I finally lose my patience with the 9/11 Truther Crackpot.

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18 Comments
  1. Kevin permalink
    October 7, 2009 2:52 pm

    I love to hear u intellectuals talk. Ur smarter than everyone else, yet u can’t see what is staring u right in front of your face.

    • October 7, 2009 2:56 pm

      You do know that you might as well be speaking one of Rorschach’s lines from “Watchmen” don’t you? That’s exactly how he talks.

      • In the know permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:11 pm

        Of course you would say that David. “We” know your one of them. I talked to a guy who saw a post on wikipedia that linked to youtube that showed a arithmatical contabulation that PROVED you are funded by the Bilderbergers. How long has it been since the illuminati stole your soul? Hunh? *sarc*

        • Brent permalink
          October 7, 2009 3:39 pm

          David you know you really believe in conspiracy theories, but the lizard men t hat control the Earth are just making sure you keep quiet. ::rolls eyes::

          One point I wanted to touch on was these lunatics always referencing the Nazis. This is nothing but a cop out for the weak-minded who cannot sustain an argument by any other means. After all who could disagree with anything about the Nazis being bad???

  2. Mia permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:34 pm

    The thing about conspiracy theories is that they cannot be proven or disproven. That’s what makes them so much fun. So much to “what if.” The imagination can go wild.

    And that’s exactly why the Birthers are NOT conspiracists… this issue can be proven or disproven conclusively. But Obama refuses to do so. No conspiracy, just deception.

    • Brent permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:42 pm

      But here is the problem with that line of argument. All conspiracy nuts are the same when it comes to disproving a conspiracy. You show them the evidence that they are wrong that any reasonable person would understand, but a conspiracy nut will just come up with 8000 more reasons about why what you showed them was invalid no matter how concrete it was.

    • In the know permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:42 pm

      I will repost this here since it applies to your question. It’s food for thought for those who want to know why there is so much resistance to the “document”‘s release.

      In the know permalink

      Here’s what the birthers should really focus on. Did “O” ever rescind his US citizenship. He received financial aide during college as a foreign student. To do that, he could not have been a US citizen. It is a matter of law that one cannot be reinstated as a US citizen once citizenship has been voluntarily rescinded. If he did not, then he commited fraud. I think that is the reason he will not release the document. He will lose credibility with the moderate “head in the sand” crowd that refuses to accept the facts that have been unearthed regarding his administration. Once his “HOPE” slogan changes to “LOL” the mist will be removed from the majorities eyes.

      “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. ” Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
      16th president of US (1809 – 1865)

      One would think a president from Illinois would know that one by heart.

      • The Inquisitor permalink
        October 8, 2009 6:25 am

        “Here’s what the birthers should really focus on. ….”

        Good point, In the Know. But as far as I know they have been pushing those issues as well. Apparently those who criticize them aren’t sufficiently nuanced to get it. I read that the Supreme Court was going to hear the case.

        It puzzles me why people make such a fuss about birthers. It seems to be a manifestation of collectivist thinking. Birthers are against Obama. I am against Obama. Therefore, I am branded as a birther. An individualist would simply say, “I think birthers are mistaken, and their efforts are counterproductive.” End of story and leave it at that.

        In my view all the energy expended against birthers is counterproductive. Surely there are more important issues at hand.

  3. FelixPrismus permalink
    October 7, 2009 4:56 pm

    David, you are showing what real frauds these people are, and that’s great.

    But you have to hammer one thing, the one undeniable thing that will slit the throat of the 9/11 Truth Movement: Watergate.

    If Nixon’s quasi-dictatorship (by that I mean his attempts to control the media, threatening of individuals with the power of the president, and covering up the authorization of a federal crime) shortly after the revelation of Watergate couldn’t cover up the break in of a building, what makes anyone with a brain think the government of 2001 could cover up the deaths of over 3000 people, and the destruction of two major buildings of global significance?

    If you could, David, please tell him this, I would enjoy watching his response (or maybe more accurately dribble)

    • Brent permalink
      October 7, 2009 5:17 pm

      Felix you’re right about Watergate. However what I mentioned earlier would hold true. You say “If Nixon couldn’t get away with Watergate then how do explain how people could cover up a much bigger conspiracy?” They say, “Everyone in the government and the press are all in on it and they are all complicit.” or “Well the alien praying mantises that run the new world order didn’t like Nixon so they let him get caught.” etc etc etc. Nothing is good enough for these jigsaw puzzles with a couple of pieces missing (thanks Jim Croce).

      • FelixPrismus permalink
        October 7, 2009 5:26 pm

        You’re right too, Brent, but you forgot one thing.

        Usually conspiracy theorists tie themselves in with Anti-Semitism, and although the stereotype is that Nixon was an anti-semite, there is no denying that he saved the Jewish state during the Yom Kippur War in 1973.

        (sarcasm) How could such an evil jew loving New world order puppet like Nixon be tossed aside so eagerly by the lizard dictators?

    • October 7, 2009 6:21 pm

      Thanks Felix. I have an idea to get your idea out there…

      • FelixPrismus permalink
        October 7, 2009 6:22 pm

        Wow, thanks David.

  4. October 7, 2009 5:28 pm

    Every conspiracy theorist I know seems to have a cult-like mindset that’s impervious to reason. They all claim to have similar credentials–an ability to “see” the real truth of which the rest of us are unaware. And they can get quite evangelical about it. I think these people simply get off on the notion that they possess special, arcane knowledge that makes them wiser in their own minds. I suggest that the 911 Truther Movement would be more aptly labeled the 911 Truther Cult.

  5. Judy permalink
    October 8, 2009 12:17 pm

    David S,
    I was able to take a few of the grainey, shakey, blurred and distant polaroid photos that clearly show you emerging from the flying saucer last night. It is definitely proof that you are being mind controlled by the Federation of engineering, physicist, mathematican, building inspector, demolition, airplane pilot, nazi green lizards. This should help E.V.
    However the funds provided by the Bilderbergs and Illuminati is great and may continue to suppress the minds of billions through invisible mind-controllong rays. There are fortunately a few like E.V. that have discovered their one true calling in exposing the massive world conspiracy covering up Lincoln’s assassination, the Hindenberg disaster, Archduke Ferdinand’s death, Hitler’s escape and life in up-state New York, Area 51, the hundreds of tons of explosives that were placed in the Twin Towers by black helicopters at night that also had the ability to bend light so they were invisible, and that it is actually a government built weather machine that is causing earthquakes, hurricanes, tornados, and other destructive weather. Tar and Feathers is correct when he states that they possess a special ability to see the real truth that you and I are either oblivious to or too stupid to understand. I hear that Oliver Stone may be weighing in on this with another fantasical extravaganza labeled as an expose courageously uncovering the “cover-up”. I felt that the subject deserved a bit of whimsy and laughter is always good.

    • In the know permalink
      October 8, 2009 12:28 pm

      One thing you forgot. Who the man behind the curtain is. The puppet master of it all. Elvis!

  6. Judy permalink
    October 8, 2009 5:46 pm

    In The Know,
    My mistake. Elvis may be the brains behind it, but, you and I know that Dorothy and the wizard of Oz crew are the organizers.

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