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October 17, 2009

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Representative Luis V. Gutierrez (D-Illinois), who made a name for himself back in 1999 by pressuring former President Bill Clinton into freeing 16 convicted FALN terrorists, is back in the news. As Amy Goodman’s Democracy Now! program reports, Gutierrez, a vociferous advocate of blanket amnesty for the estimated 12 million illegal aliens currently in the country, led a rally on immigration reform on Capital Hill Wednesday before “thousands of people,” calling immigration reform “the civil rights struggle of our time.”

Rep. Luis Gutierrez: Justice for immigrants is today’s civil rights struggle, and it’s too important to lose. And that’s why we won’t stop. That’s why we won’t stop, and that’s why we cannot wait. We have work to do, and we cannot wait. We have families to save. We have mothers and children to keep together. We have a Congress to persuade. We have a president to convince. And we have justice to deliver, and we have laws to change, and we will not rest until that is accomplished.

Gutierrez, the Chair of the Immigration Task Force, has introduced an immigration reform bill, which, he claims, will:

Promote fair immigration proceedings, humane treatment of immigration detainees, and policies that respect the tenet of community policing.

America’s current immigration policies have been deemed unacceptable to Gutierrez, and he makes it quite clear who is to blame for the current state of affairs:

We are here to say that we will not rest until the raids stop and our brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers are no longer torn apart by the government of the United States of America.

Let’s play a hypothetical game.

Let us assume that Gutierrez’s bill passes, and he achieves his major goal of a general amnesty. The 12 million aliens currently residing in the country illegally suddenly find themselves free to stay, become card-carrying members of the Democratic Party, and live happily ever after.

What happens to the next person who steals across the border?

History has shown us that, after an amnesty, the rate of illegal border crossings increases. After the last amnesty bill in 1986, the US experienced a flood of new illegal aliens crossing the border. In the twenty-year period between 1985 and 2005, the number of illegal residents soared from an estimated 2-3 million to about 11 million. It is only human nature that, upon hearing of an amnesty, people would, predictably, risk all to come to the US by any means and simply wait out their chance in the hopes of catching the next one.

The question then arises: are we really solving the problem by granting another amnesty only to find ourselves in the same situation twenty years from now?

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31 Comments
  1. Julie Trevor permalink
    October 17, 2009 5:48 am

    It won’t take 20 years…

  2. Sam Deakins permalink
    October 17, 2009 6:17 am

    “the civil rights struggle of our time”? I thought Kevin Jennings, NAMBLA and GLSEN were “the civil rights struggle of our time”? Seems like you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a “the civil rights struggle of our time” group.

  3. October 17, 2009 6:29 am

    Representative Gutierrez’s bad mouthing of America, sounds quite similar to what Obama has been saying about America as he tramped accross the globe apologizing for everything and anything that most americans would consider the things that are good about america. I ask Rep Gutierrez, “Who is breaking the laws here?” When Illegals break into america and take away jobs from american citizens, its us americans that suffer. Legalizing the 12 to 15 million Illegals here will only bring on another influx of Illegals who will again want the same amnesty as the past Illegals received.

    Obamacare is another example of pandering to Illegals. If Obamacare is passed, Illegals will be included in the program. Will Illegals be fined if they don’t buy insurance. We all know that answer already. No they won’t be fined. Us law obiding citizens will end up paying for Illegals healthcare. We already pay for Illegals children who receive free education and free welfare and so many other programs that are ment for americans and not for anyone who happens to be here simply because they broke the law.

    Don’t let Obama and his Socialist friends like Gutierrez lead you into thinking there is something evil about wanting our immigration laws inforced. I continues to say close the boarders, inforce the laws, deport Illegals. Say no to Amnesty.

    Foxmuldar

  4. Jeff permalink
    October 17, 2009 9:57 am

    Wouldn’t it be cheaper to round them all up and send them home, and when I mean home, in their respective country as far from the United States border as we can get them.

    Next Barry will tell us that we need to give them a place to live and pay reparations because we’ve treated them so badly.

    GO Sheriff JOE! Keep up the good fight!

  5. SanePerson permalink
    October 17, 2009 10:20 am

    I’ve seen Gutierrez on Lou Dobbs and he’s an idiot. He could not answer a question about future illegals once his obviously self-serving amnesty takes place. Of course, he’s thinking solely of Hispanic illegals, not all the others.

  6. October 17, 2009 12:00 pm

    The solution is simple and isn’t even a little bit racist. First, as part of the amnesty bill, a law which makes jail time manditory for anyone hiring an illegal alien. This would include large company CEOs down to individual homeowners who hire illegal nannies.

    This would go into effect two years prior to the amnesty. Second, requiring valid ID for all voters.

    Problem solved. Boo yah.

    • October 31, 2009 10:20 pm

      So, we are going to imprison all the Celebrities in Hollywood, Beverly Hills, and Malibu that are the largest contributers of hiring Illegal Aliens, and they got the whole hiring of Illegal Aliens thing started?
      Won’t work then. There’s no way, Odingo will have his Celebrity Money Contributors arrested.
      DEPORT THEM, or you will NEVER get any other Politician but a DEMOCRAT one in Congress or the White House ever again.
      After a Shamnesty, 99.9% of them will be FAST TRACK legalized so the Liberal-Leftist-Socialists can get them REGISTERED TO VOTE, for them, DEMOCRATS, BEFORE 2010 or 2012!
      You will never have anyone running this Country ever again after that but Democrats.
      They will win by having to massive of a Constituenty then.
      There would be only 1-Way to get rid of Criminal Liberal-Leftist-Socialist-Democrat Politicians then, CIVIL WAR II/REVOLUTION II.
      If we allow this Shamnesty, forget any New 3rd Party, Independent, GOP-Republican, Green Party, ANY OTHER PARTY WILL NOT HAVE ANY CHANCE OF EVER WINNING ENOUGH ELECTORAL VOTES or Popular Votes ever again.
      Do the numbers, you will see, that with the existing Illegals here already and their Extended-Chain-Migration Family Members, plus MORE Illegals crossing into the U.S., and the Democrats will welcome them as they too will become Democrat Voters, you will never have anything but a DEMOCRAT MAJORITY of Registered Voters.

  7. Joseph White permalink
    October 17, 2009 4:42 pm

    So, let’s look at this. We give another 12million people instant citizenship, and what do we get? Another damned 12 million people who will apply for the new obama healthcare plan and social security, and every other government program, and we’ll be even more broke and more people will be out of work.

    These people will soon find themselves out of work, because once they are citizens, they have to be paid 7.50 an hour, by federal law, and soon they’ll be on the welfare rolls, soaking up more money, or they’ll be in prison after having killed someone to get money for drugs or alcohol.

    If these people want good jobs so much, and want freedom, why don’t they stick around Mexico and fight for their own freaking country?

  8. swemson permalink
    October 17, 2009 9:12 pm

    TANSTAAFL
    ( There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch )

  9. Brad Lytle permalink
    October 18, 2009 5:20 am

    Wow! It’s terrible the way “Illegal” aliens are treated in the US. One wonders why they come???

  10. shane comeback permalink
    October 18, 2009 8:26 am

    The good Representative from the state of Chihuahua,er, mean Illinois,shows where his sympathies lay,and they ain’t with the US of A.

  11. LibertarianHomo permalink
    October 18, 2009 8:54 am

    Nancy Pelosi was spouting the same rhetoric at some meetings here in California. Struck me as funny/odd that she would say that enforcing the laws that her House had passed is “un-American.”

    I do think our immigration system needs reform. We need to start with tightly securing our borders so that our immigration laws aren’t a joke. The Israeli approach to the fence seems better – if expensive – than the ‘high-tech’ segments planned for our border stretches. As “K” suggests, putting teeth in the penalties for hiring illegal aliens would be a good deterrent for those who abet illegals.

    That said, “Joseph White”… the Mexican Government was even talking about an election district for the US 🙂 One real problem is the identity as Mexicans is easier to keep when”home” is just a hop away. Less of a break from it. It’s funny, however, that the Mexican government decries ‘abuses’ of Mexicans here, but offers harsher policies toward even legal immigrants there…

  12. MaryAnn permalink
    October 18, 2009 9:17 am

    Where will the poor, the destitute and others seeking freedom go when America has been reduced to 3rd world status because of our welfare mindset?

  13. Judy permalink
    October 18, 2009 10:43 am

    Folks,
    I reside in California. If you want a peek at whats in store for the nation as a whole, just look at the condition of this state. California is beyond broke. We don’t even qualify for ACORN assistance. All of this due to the hyper-liberal, give-it-all-away, we owe it to you mentality of the elected in their attempt to pander to the immigrant, Hollywood elite, Homosexual and special interest groups in order to change the political landscape and rake in the big bucks to assure their election and then re-election. We are taxed to death and have absolutely nothing to show for it. They have shut the water off to the farmers/growers in the Central Valley for the sake of a “bait fish” ( my term). This has destroyed 12.5% of the nation’s food supply, eliminated the monetary benefit to the state, and caused a 30-50% unemployment in some cities. Is this logical? Who does this benefit? There is absolutely no attempt to hide the benefits to special interests at this point. The past laws and regulations have forced business out of the state never to return. So, which state is next in the attempt to control the population and ration benefits, jobs and food? We are being “nudged” (Cass Sunstein) in a great social experiment, and I believe that everyone will suffer and lose our freedoms and way of life.

    • swemson permalink
      October 18, 2009 2:41 pm

      Judy;

      Well put….

      You hit the nail on the head when you said that the true goal of our leftist politicians is: to change the political landscape and rake in the big bucks to assure their election and then re-election.

      We’re seeing the essence of pure evil in our government today.. and if a whole lot of us don’t wake up and realize the TRUE danger we’re in right now, than we can kiss this country away….

  14. October 18, 2009 11:59 am

    Keep in mind we still have the Family Reunification Program in place. That means that millions of extended family of the newly legalized immigrants will be allowed to come here too. We know the cost to insure the millions of illegal aliens here now is tremendous so we can add billions more to our debt when their family members arrive. Our government cries about our diminishing natural resources and global warming yet they plan to flood this nation with millions more people who will continue to drain our resources. Does any of this make sense? We talk of over population and overflowing schools, prisons and bankrupt hospitals but don’t seem to make the connection between illegal as well as legal immigration and the many problems we face day after day in this country. This amnesty is coming UNLESS WE STOP IT! The time is NOW!

  15. levotb permalink
    October 18, 2009 12:28 pm

    Ms. Cartaginese clearly hasn’t studied the issue thoroughly. She throws around a figure from the CENSUS and the left-wing, pro-illegal alien Pew Study (still used by the worthless suits at CIS) from 5 years ago that undercounted the number of illegals by 50%! Heck, we have over 11 million illegals in CA alone! It’s time for writers like this to “get with it”. They can do so by looking at two reports from 2005–the January report from Bear Stearns which quoted 20 million and the TIME Magazine front page story which stated that 4 million broke in during 2005. Then she should turn her attention to a rarely-mentioned but thorough panel study on numbers in October 2007 by CAPS. That panel, with one exception, found the number to be 38 million.

    Here are the links:

    http://www.bearstearns.com/bscportal/pdfs/underground.pdf

    http://www.capsweb.org/content.php?id=57&menu_id=8

  16. Bobby permalink
    October 18, 2009 12:56 pm

    America is faced with fifth columnist traitors like Gutierrez, operating throughout this country. Why can’t the public see what they are about? When will Americans wake up and understand the Gutierrez and his counterparts, in so many of our States are intransigent and lawless people who WANT THINGS THEIR WAY, and they are more than willing to cause strife and chaos in this country to GET THEIR WAY. Stop them now, or when they get totally out of control and Americans try to act, the worthless Main Stream Media, will then blame the AMerican citizen instead of Gutierrez and the “Immigrants”.(People in this country illegally, A.K.A. illegal aliens)

    • October 31, 2009 10:47 pm

      The country cannot SEE what they are about because of the Media.
      The Jewish owned and controlled Media/Hollywood is 98% DEMOCRAT and loves Democratism and Odingo more than Israel. Just look at how the Jewish people side more with Obama demanding that the Israeli’s stop building and living in the West Bank!
      So, since the Jewish Controlled Media, FLOODS television, Newspapers both in print and online, Magazines, books, school books of EVERY KIND in every school, art, theatre, dance, music, the recording industry, all controlled by Jews that are overwhelmingly far-left-liberal-DEMOCRATS, peoples senses are innundated with nothing but Liberalism and Socialism.
      Therefore, people have been being indoctrinated and brainwashed by this Democratic way of thinking and being for several Decades now.
      Only the INTELLIGENT person can SEE the reality. Can still use their strong mind to discern what is good and what is pure evil.
      The Illegals are Zombie-Obamabots, they follow, not lead.
      Same goes for most people that live hand to mouth off Social ‘Entitlement’ Programs.
      Many people follow whatever Political Party their families have been with, they don’t think for themselves, just march behind the leader, follow-the-leader has been a popular game for a very long time.
      Young college students have been brainwashed for so long it’s no wonder they believe the Socialist Indoctrination they have been getting all their lives.
      Some people that attended Home School or Religious Private Schools can SEE the truth.
      But, the Celebrities are the BIGGEST Obamabots of all. Them and their Jewish Hollywood Moguls.
      They have the Nation by the ball*.
      Clooney and Winfrey are at the White House tonight playing with Odingo and his ugly wife at their Happy WH Halloween Party, just laughin’ it up at the American people that can SEE right thru their Socialism, it’s so very funny to see us squire with nothing we can do about it except: CIVIL WAR II/REVOLUTION II, then they would NOT be laughin’ at us!

  17. bartlebee permalink
    October 18, 2009 1:32 pm

    Luis Gutierrez is without a doubt the most racist member of Congress. All he cares about is helping his fellow Latinos.

  18. October 18, 2009 1:42 pm

    I would like to add to the above comments this little tidbit. If an amnesty is granted, the number will be much higher then 11 million people. Like the 86 amnesty thousands will flock to this country and provide fraudulent documentation so as to be included. Then all of these newly legalized criminals will be able to chain migrate their relatives. For every person that is amnestied, you can bet that there will be at least 4 or 5 new legal immigrants because of family migration. So even if the 11 million number (very suspect) is correct, the total amount of people added to this country legally could be as high as 70 million or more. Another point is the 11 million figure itself. The feds and other groups have been touting that number for more then a few years. In 2004 US Border Patrol estimated 4 million people crossed the border illegally. Also in 2004 CNN documentary “Immigrant Nation – Divided Country ” it was estimated 7-20 million illegal aliens in this country. Time article “Who Left the Door Open” (2004) estimated the number at 15 million. Bear Stearns (2005) estimated the number at 18-20 million. The US border Patrol estimates that only 1 out of 4 or 5 are apprehended!The American Resistance web site using all the data available and accounting for apprehensions, repeat offenders and other critical inputs estimate the number of illegal aliens at over 41 million! If the highest figure is even close to being correct, the resulting avalanche of people could total 100 million or more. Now then start factoring into the equation the children born of these newly legalized people. First generation immigrants generally have 3 or more children during their lifetimes. Now ask yourself how many people should this country have?

    No amnesty again, ever! Make illegal immigration as difficult/costly as possible for both those that choose to come and those who hire them.

  19. francis permalink
    October 18, 2009 1:50 pm

    Yes, California is a good example that illegal immigration does not work. We have to enforce current immigration laws. You might say I am rude or I do not care for the situation of each illegal alien. That is not the point. The point is that in the United States we have immigration laws. If a person does not obey those laws, they have to pay. How do they pay? They have to be deported. We cannot create new laws (amnesty) every ten years when illegal aliens decide to remain here. The problem is the Federal government. They do not want to enforce current immigration laws. They are being pressure to give amnesty to illegal aliens. And who want amnesty? La Raza, Mr. Gutierrez, etc, all the people who support illegal aliens. Mr. Gutierrez should help US citizens instead of illegal aliens.

    We must not provide amnesty to illegal aliens. Too many people live in the United States. Thousands of legal immigrants come to this country each year. We do not need more people. We must reduce legal immigration and stop illegal immigrations.

    • swemson permalink
      October 18, 2009 2:48 pm

      That’s right…

      And I also think it demonstrates a serious lack of respect for the millions of legal immigrants who came here since the late 19th century, who built this country with their hands, and defended this country with their lives… Nobody ever gave them one damned thing….

  20. victor permalink
    October 18, 2009 3:30 pm

    Whose number is the 12 million. My honestly held belief is that there are more than 12 million in Calif., Arizona and Texas alone. The number is probably closer to 20 million as implicitly recognized in the 47 million alleged uninsured.

  21. Judy permalink
    October 18, 2009 3:48 pm

    Bobby, they are already out of control and see their goals within reach. By dividing the population into essentially two camps, they can limit the true power that a united population holds. I do believe that much of this chaos and crisis is generated drectly out of the offices of Dunn, Jarret, Axelrod and Emmanuel. Divide and conquer. I am afraid that so many have invested their hope, and reputation in Obama that they are prohibited from seeing the real, big picture. I have also spoken with those that cannot conceive of a movement to enact a communist government as it seems so farfetched to them. The belief that everything is chugging along just fine with the exception of a few bumps in the road but, everything will right itself and everything will return to normal. This attitude of complacency and pro-hand outs will destroy this country. I recall watching a woman at an Obama election rally exclaim with joy that now she does not have to worry about her car or mortgage payments now that Obama is president. We certainly have lost our way. Self-reliance, self-determination, independent thought, accountability, family, patriotism, loyalty, truthfullness and honesty have become dirty, antiquated words and been substituted with the surrender of the mind and soul to the all powerful paternalistic government. This aligns the two camps now in America. Growing further and further apart, without the ability to meet and join forces unless the scales are removed from those that have chosen to ignore the fall of our Republic.The illegal immigration problem is part of the general chaos, and will never be addressed by this administration, other than to welcome all those new, grateful democratic voters into the mix and change the voting blocks in this country.The cost of this is not a consideration to Obama. The end result of voting numbers is.

  22. Laszlo Vegvari permalink
    October 18, 2009 5:11 pm

    Immigrants? What immigrants? They are INVADERS. Immigrant is the one who passed the very strict health screening and had to provide a sponsor to be even considered, spent years in fluchtling lager (refugie camp), was grilled by the Interpol, CIA and FBI, his/her profession was needed at the time, have not received financial or any other support from the US Government, learned English, adopted to his/her new home, thanked God every night to be fortunate enough to be here, had to proof 3 yeras of temporary residency (white card) to be able to apply for permanent residency (green card)which after 5 years gave him/her the possibility to take a citizenship exam.

    Immigrants? What immigrants?

  23. ApostateDemocrat permalink
    October 18, 2009 6:38 pm

    You ain’t all Californians yet. But if Gutierrez get his amnesty you soon will be. If you want to see what the end game for the United States of America looks like, come to California.

  24. October 18, 2009 7:02 pm

    Call Congress @ 866-220-0044 and Demand our Immigration Laws be Enforced.
    E-Verify and 287g for All jobs and gov’t programs.
    Mandatory 287g Nationwide to find and Deport ALL illegal ALIENS.
    Check out Blue Servo and become an on-line Texas Border Deputy.
    Send faxes thru NumbersUSA and capsweb.org
    Visit theterryandersonshow.com to hear the impact of the illegal invasion on L.A. and our once great state of Calif.
    No Feinstein AgSlaves. No Cap & Scam. No Amnesty.
    Vote them out 2010-12. God bless the U.S.

  25. Soylent Green permalink
    October 18, 2009 9:12 pm

    Well, I WAS going to comment on the bogus 12 million immigrant figure but I see that has already been addressed. But I WOULD like to point out that if our government doesn’t know or even care how many Hispanics, from not just Mexico but all over South America, are in our country, then how is it possible to know how many people from ANY country are in our country illegally? How many Somalis? How many Saudis? How many gay French men!!!

    • Joseph White permalink
      October 18, 2009 10:00 pm

      If we aren’t very careful, here is what could happen: Instead of Old Glory flying at the White House, it’ll be the Mexican Flag, we’ll all be forced to worship Allah, our women will be forced to wear those god awful burqas, we’ll be speaking spanish, and taking siestas every afternoon, or praying 5 times a day, all the GLBT’s will be in mass graves with their heads adorning pikes, and every church will be smoldering wreck. As for the people of European descent, there won’t be any, because we could either be dead or in Ecuador or Costa Rica.

      Why would all this happen? Because the DC Crowd will pander to anyone for votes, except the legitimate citizens of this country.

      This is what happens when people stay in DC for too long, they start to think of how they’ll get elected next, and don’t worry about the real reason they are there, to serve their constituents.

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