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Don’t Confuse Chris Matthews with the Facts, His “Mind” is Made Up: Conservatives are Racists

October 20, 2009

For Chris Matthews, it’s not progress to find out there is less racism in the country than he supposed.  THAT does not put the tingle in his leg, not one bit.

Last week, the Democrats’ top national pollster, Stan Greenberg, and his partner, James “The Snake” Carville put out a focus group report that essentially said race is “beside the point” for those who oppose Obama’s policies.

Chris was not happy.

Now this should be good news for the Left.  This means their opponents are not hardened by blind hatred or prejudice, and can be reached by reason, or won over by policies they agree with.   This should also be good news for any American of good will who should hate to think that our politics are based in race hatred.

But Chris is too invested In his opposition-to-Obama-is-racism narrative.  (Note in the video that he even has a logo for “ANGER on the RIGHT”  Please.  Even after the Seattle riots, or the burning of George W. Bush in effigy, we didn’t see an “Anger on the Left” graphic.)

Friday night, Matthews was so over-the-top on the topic, that even David Corn, whose career has been spent with Marxist rags like The Nation and Mother Jones, had to try to act as a voice of reason on the topic, as Matthews claimed that the Right wouldn’t even like a black conservative President!

MATTHEWS: We‘re going to the belly of the beast right now.

Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg and his partner, James “The Ragin‘ Cajun” Carville, put out a report today about a Republican focus group they held in the wake of Joe Wilson screaming “You lie” at President Obama during that joint session. Here‘s part of their conclusion, which may surprise you—quote—and you can with this.  We‘re going to do it—quote—

“We gave those groups of older white Republican base voters in Georgia a full opportunity to bring race into their discussion, but it did not ever become a central element, and, indeed, was almost beside the point.”

So, if race is beside the point, then what is the point?

David Corn is the Washington bureau chief for Mother Jones, and Ron Brownstein is the political director for Atlantic Media.   Gentlemen, before we go further than that—that bottom line, that race is not a factor in this right-wing thinking, let me show you something from a poll, a research poll, done by the Daily Kos this summer.  It talks about those who believe in this birther thing out there.  It was back in July.  And they sponsored this poll.

The Daily Kos?  Really?  Chris clings to his theory so desperately that he will take a suspect Daily Kos poll over Stan Greenberg now?  The Greenberg focus group was intended to HELP DEMOCRATS, not to exonerate Republicans.  The Democrats are in a hole right now, and Chris Matthews is emotionally invested in having them use his shovel to keep digging.

MATTHEWS: …The highest percentage of people who believe that Obama wasn‘t born in the country was down in the South.  Only 23 percent say he was born in America — 47 percent—only 47 percent say he was born in the United States.  The rest either don‘t know or thought he was born somewhere else.

Up North, the more liberal Northeast, which is attacked by the right, 93 percent say he was born in the United States.  So, the birther direction has radically different answers depending where you ask it in the country.  Ron Brownstein, you do a lot of number-crunching.  What do you make of that?  Is that, in fact, a counterpoint to the argument that there is not a race element to the right?

RON BROWNSTEIN, POLITICAL DIRECTOR, ATLANTIC MEDIA:  Well, there is obviously a racial element to our politics.  About 90 percent of John McCain‘s vote came from whites…

The fact that Barack Obama got at least a 95% vote from blacks, and despite slipping poll numbers still gets approval ratings from black Americans in the 90s  is NOT “racial,” apparently.

BROWNSTEIN: …But I agree with Stan Greenberg, who really is as sharp as they come in American politics, that the principal engine of the reaction we are seeing to Obama is not race.  It is part of it, this kind of a sense of cultural alienation from the new America that he represents, the multicultural America that he represents.  But the principal force that we‘re seeing here is an ideological recoil from the conservative Republican base on the broad sweep of his agenda.

MATTHEWS:  So, Lyndon Johnson you was wrong, you‘re saying, Ron, back when he said, when he signed the civil rights bill, he wrote off the South for decades to come?  He was wrong, you‘re saying.

Lyndon Johnson?  Why not Andrew Johnson?  Why do liberals go back 2 generations whenever the topic of race comes up?

BROWNSTEIN:  No, that was the initial impetus.  But we have moved way past that, Chris.

I mean, certainly, in the ‘60s and ‘70s, the initial wave of realignment of white Southerners from the Democratic to Republican Party was overwhelmingly driven by race.  But now it is—the attachment to the Republican Party goes way beyond that.

You‘re talking about cultural values, evangelical Christians overwhelmingly Republican, especially in the South, views on national security, views on the role of government.  Race is no longer, I believe, the principal reason why conservative Southerners identify with the Republican Party.  If you had to pick one reason, I would say it is religious values and cultural values, rooted in Evangelical Christianity, far more than race.

Matthews can’t let this go.  He was sure he could get David Corn, who only writes for ultra-left wing publications to jump in on his side.

MATTHEWS:  I‘m not sure.  David Corn, I want to ask you this question:  Why is it that all the liberals we know, every liberal we know was thrilled that this country was capable of electing an African American president?  And you did not hear that thrill exciting the body or the soul of conservatives.  They were not thrilled by the idea that this country was capable getting beyond its race past—it‘s racial past, not racist, but racial past.

Why is it that liberals liked that idea and conservatives didn‘t like were not thrilled by it?  They just didn‘t have the same reaction.

CORN:  You could say because, in fact, they liked Barack Obama.  If it had been Michael Steele being elected president, god forbid, there might have been a different reaction.

MATTHEWS:  Do you think so?  I disagree with you… David, you‘re wrong.  Let me tell you, David—let me tell you, David, if Colin Powell were the Republican nominee for president in any one of the last cycles, a hell of a lot of Democrats you know would have voted for him.  A hell of a lot.  They would been thrilled if he had beaten their candidate.  That‘s how they‘re different.

Yes, Chris, conservatives hate blacks so much that they wouldn’t love a President Sowell, or a Supreme Court Justice… never mind.  And Democrats are so excited by the success of blacks, regardless of party.  They were SO happy to see Ken Blackwell elected to statewide office in Ohio, they welcomed J.C. Watts into the Congressional Black Caucus with open arms.  That’s why they celebrated the prominence of Condoleezza Rice.  Let’s ask Clarence Thomas how much he enjoyed his gracious reception by those tolerant liberals on the Hill:

Who are you trying to kid, Chris?

Good liberals would NEVER use “Uncle Tom” or “house negro” to describe these people, and Lord knows they could NEVER employ crude racial stereotypes about their sexual or intellectual proclivities. Oh no!

Corn and Brownstein both gave lip service to the idea that Carville and Greenberg underestimated the race element to mollify Chris, but then Brownstein brought up more actual DATA:

BROWNSTEIN: You know, Gallop polling, last month, 57 percent of Americans say that government is trying to do too much.  That is the same level that we had in October of 1994.  It is over 60 percent of independents agree with that sentiment.  So while the conservative Republican base is among most agitated, they are not alone in having this kind of reaction that maybe perhaps we are going too far too fast.  Obama does have to deal with it.  He is never going to mollify the conservatives, but he does have to find a way to reassure those independents who have been moving Democratic, especially those upper middle class, college educated voters.

So, Chris decided data means nothing, HE knows better… so he fell back on, “Do either of you guys believe that you get an honest answer on race from anybody in America?” and brought up O.J.  Once again, Ron Brownstein brought up the stubborn data.

BROWNSTEIN: On the other hand, Chris, Obama‘s approval rating among white voters at this point in his presidency is probably higher than Bill Clinton‘s was at the same point in his presidency.  The fact is that his share of votes among whites was really within the band that Democrats have experienced for the last 30 years.  You know, the share of the Democratic vote among non-college whites has only varied between 38 and 44 percent.  He got 40.

So I have a hard time seeing race—sure, there are voters who will not be for him because he is black.  But many of those voters are the same voters who would not be for almost any Democrat.  The principal problem he faces now, I believe, is not a racial reaction, as it is an ideological backlash that is most fierce in the Republican base, but does extend beyond that to some independents that Democrats have been winning.

Sorry, Chris, I bet this spoiled your weekend.  Funny thing,  You started this discussion by touting the good will of the Left and liberals on racial matters.  Shouldn’t part of all that sunny racial optimism you claim also include hoping that nearly half the country is NOT a bunch of bigots?

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  1. Tom Trevor permalink
    October 20, 2009 9:10 pm

    Again I have to ask, who is this Chris Mathews person and what is this MSNBC thing he is on? Is it a web broadcast? It can’t be a real TV network. If it was it would have some viewers.
    As for this obscure person’s point, since when is Colin Powell a conservative? He endorsed Obama for heaven sakes.

    • Jack Hampton permalink
      October 21, 2009 6:27 am

      I never considered Powell a conservative either. I also never trusted the man even when he was a General officer I felt he was a politician. How could a conservative vote for Barrack Obama? He was about as conservative as Oprah. Many people gave him credit for the victory in the first Gulf War which he opposed tooth and nail. It was Swartzkoff that was the strategist behind that victory and Powell was a thorn in his side. Swartzkoff had studied and planned for just such a war for years.

      • jac mills permalink
        October 21, 2009 6:41 am

        It was the media that pushed Powell to prominence, Jack. Our biased and unbelievable media.

        • David Forsmark permalink
          October 21, 2009 6:47 am

          Powell was also pushed to the public by Republicans, who counter to what Chris hysterically alleges above, were thrilled to have an accomplished black man on their side.

          One thing that must be said about Powell. Al Santoli, a very conservative military analyst and Vietnam vet, gave Powell a lot of the credit in his excellent book, “Leading the Way,” for being one of the men who rebuilt a shattered military after the Vietnam debacle. Powell and a handful of others, helped clear the military of dead weight and restored discipline once the draftees were gone, and reprofessionalized the armed forces to an extent that had never been seen before in the American military.

  2. Sam Beltran permalink
    October 21, 2009 4:37 am

    I guess that the slaughter of over three million unborn, the majority black and/or in legal poverty, is not a form of racism the obamination cares to discuss. When they indenture medical professionals that they need to commit the crime, then the circle will be unbroken and the enemies of the people can be hospitalized for any number of computer generated illnesses. The National Socialist Party of America will be able to select their friends and supporters just like the remaining GM dealers bought their safety from the current organization. They peddle the concept that only the rich can buy healthcare, but who wants to buy protection from the fascists.

  3. curiouser49 permalink
    October 21, 2009 5:52 am

    I used to listen to Chris Matthews a long while back, well before I switched to FOX. He’s a flake. Chris, I am so sick and tired of you spoiled brat limosene liberals accusing everyone of being a racist because others have a brain and choose to THINK. I work with young Black kids, I support one in Africa through my church so he can get a good BRITISH school system education, and I socialize with several Black people. Some of them don’t like Obama either! If your argument is that everyone who disgrees with this Socialist, Fascist government is a racist, they you’d better wake up. You’re not a real journalist anyway, you’re just another groupie. If you were a real journalist, you would be doing investigative work which you are not. You’re a FOLLOWER!

  4. Jack Hampton permalink
    October 21, 2009 6:18 am

    I have watched some of Chris Matthews’s program on several occasions when I do the word bellicose jumps into my mind I wonder why? Chris never will understand that he is the primary racist in the deck of cards he seeks out every opportunity to deal it to any guest no matter the topic. Just notice the discussion can be in regard to health care, cap & trade or education and the race card will pop out of his hip holster he pulls it like a damn gun.
    There are still a few backward people that hate Obama because of his color but they are alone and marginalized as they should be. The people that oppose Obama disagree with the radical change he wants to bring the nation to which many and I am one believe is Marxism. But when they haul Chris away to the home he will still be mumbling it’s those southern racist all those crackers are racist. He is no longer even amusing to watch as his poll numbers deflate like a tire hit with a twelve gauge shotgun he is just a bellicose caricature of someone that at one time held some promise and lost it.

  5. Judy permalink
    October 21, 2009 12:06 pm

    I hated to burst the bubble that supplies Chris Matthews with his tingles, but I have many black friends and none of them voted for Obama.Could it be that they were non-informed, ignorant racists?? Or informed thinkers that saw Obama for the arrogant,non-experienced, master manipulator that he is? Conservatives will never hold a positive light in Matthews eyes. To acknowledge diversity and a difference of opinion is not in Chris Matthews’ future. He has invested his soul in promoting and defending Obama and will go down with the ship if need be. Olbermann and Maddow are also of the same cloth and have such an investment in Obama that they are blinded by their desire for social and economic justice. They are in a constant defensive posture and feel responsible for being attack dogs against conservatives and those of different opinions. The vitriol will continue to ramp up as increasing numbers of Americans become disenchanted with Obama. The honeymoon is over.

  6. BillSoCAl permalink
    October 21, 2009 1:10 pm

    Maybe Chris Matthews needs to read The Democartic Party’s Buried Past by Bruce Bartlett.
    The Democrats still want to kept the Blacks and other minorities down. All you have to do is look at the inter Cities of the Cities run by Democratic mayors and parties to see what is happening. Just look at Oakland, CA and Chicago, IL. The trouble is that the Communie Black radicals hve lied to the black community over and over for the last 70 to 80 years. Nothing is ever said about President Woodrow Wilson being a Grand Wizard in the KKK and ordering the federal office buildings in DC and the US Military in WWI to be segarated, or that JFK voted against a civil rights bill 1950s. The Minorities and the Blacks are now the lap dogs of the liberal communist.

  7. Keith permalink
    October 21, 2009 2:50 pm

    I don’t trust the democrats or the republicans, both parties are corrupted,the elites nominated(super delegates) and put Obama in the white house, not because he’s black ,it’s because of what they can get away with. He’s a very likable president around the world, which means the elites could use him to bring in this new world order they have been talking about. Internationally John McCain wasn’t popular enough to do it.
    I remember Henry Kissinger admitting it on record, that Obama could bring in a new world order.The mainstream media that they own and control, are used as a tool to divide, conquer and control us.
    Healthcare is a good example,look at how they deliberately injected misinformation to cofuse and divide the people, and now the bill they’re introducing will cause healthcare to rise even higher than it would if they did nothing at all.
    Racism is still relevant in our country,but the elites use it to their own advantage.
    Like the story about the guy that owned a small cable company down south,who hung a noose in his warehouse, and said he can’t be racist for doing it, because he was married to a black woman.
    The ideology is to create an elusion of a post racial society, so they can use all races of people, to make money for them, like Obama and his banker friends that raped us and our economic system.

  8. Judy permalink
    October 21, 2009 7:27 pm

    Are you familiar with Dr. Sowell? His knowledge of economics and it relationship to populations is unparalled. He is an outstanding teacher and is able to communicate even the most complex ideas along those lines. He has multiple books, etc. An excellent read.

  9. BillSoCAl permalink
    October 21, 2009 10:04 pm


    Yes I am well aware of Dr Sowell, and also Dr Walter Williams. I have several of Dr Sowell’s books and enhoyed them. Are you aware of the late Antony Sutton, who was at the Hoover Insitue before he upset the liberals and some big money people. His triology on Wall Street and the Rise of the Bolsheviks, Wall Street and the Rise of FDR, and Wall Street and the Rise of the Nazi are excellent books to read and find out how evil some of our big corporation and Wall Street bankers and money men are. His book on Wall Street and FDR led me to Clinton Roosevelt and how evil he was. Clinton Roosevelt was a distance cousin to both Teddie Roosevelt and FDR. He was a follower of the Illumnati and help financied the Communist League in London so Karl Marx could write his Communist Manifesto. Marx freely stole is ideas from Clinton’s booklet the Science of Government Founded in Natural Law. Both Teddie and FDR used ideas from his booklet for the New Deal and the New Nationalism speech. I see things that Comrade Obama is doing that come straight from the booklet like his Czars and his quest for a One World Government or Community. This Global warming conference in December can be very dangerous for country with this idiot in the White House with his radical beliefs. There is a video that every one should see . Everyone needs to see this video it is very enlighting and issues a warning to our country.

  10. David Forsmark permalink
    October 21, 2009 10:13 pm

    Bill, David Horowitz linked to this video the other day, too.

    You should check out Thomas Fleming’s The New Dealer’s War and The Illusion of Victory, on FDR and Woodrow Wilson and the side agendas pursued during the world wars.

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