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Comment of the Day: How Many Bodies Do We Need to Pile to Climb to Heaven?

October 31, 2009

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From one of NewsReal’s most astute commenters, on today’s David Horowitz quote of the day:

2009 October 31
Cas Balicki permalinkQuantcast

Much more interesting here, at least to me, is the utopian mindset on which this post touches. The reason I find the mind set so interesting is that utopian thoughts run in direct contrast to a world that runs on anything but dreams. This sharp divide between reality and desire causes me to ask, how do humans actually think? The thoughts of the relatively powerless almost always turn to organizational structures—unions, political parties–to enhance a personal lack of power. In contrast, the thoughts of those confident in their ability to impact their world tend in general to take an individualistic approach. There are exceptions to be sure, as the world is not a one size fits all place, but in general we can divide humans into the two camps of individualists and socialisers.

The challenge for the socialisers is that they must oftentimes group huge numbers of diverse persons into a union, a party, or a people. This is not easily done at the best of times, let alone during times of strife or economic uncertainty. It would seem obvious that the only way to do this uniting of persons into movements is to present individuals with a utopian vision: a heaven on earth. If we take hope as the goal–utopia/heaven, and faith as the path–religious/political dogma, we start to unravel the legerdemain that keeps individuals in thrall. It is at this juncture that the religious language breaks down or at least separates from the political. Religions focus on the individual, or more particularly the individual soul, which is to be saved with the help of the community as contrasted with the political man, who can only be saved if his community is saved. This in my view is not a subtle difference.

When it comes to utopian visions, whether religious of political, individuals looking in from the outside seemingly ask only one question when in fact they should ask two: The first is do I believe, and the second more rarely asked is do my leaders believe? The latter question is far more important than the former for one reason: an individual needs not justify motive or sincerity to self especially in the presence of imposed doctrine. Individuals have and often do justify the most immoral of positions solely by a personal inability to influence. Leaders do not have that luxury. In addition leaders by nature of their elevated positions supposedly see the complete picture so they must know the ill or good they order done. Did Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, to cite but three examples, see utopia when ordering the deaths of millions? Being the practical men they were I doubt it.

The moral of the story is clear: Heaven should never be so real that we trample over the unbeliever to get there.

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6 Comments
  1. jimdouthit permalink
    November 1, 2009 7:58 am

    Balicki’s comments are quite thought-provoking. I continue to be mystified by the mind-set of “socialisers” who see the horrors that the Pol Pot’s, Mao’s, and others have inflicted on mankind (e.g., remember Anita Dunn praising Mao) and simply blank them out of their minds. In my lifetime, I have never heard “socialisers” (socialists/leftists/communists/Democrats…) condemn Stalin, Mao, or Castro, yet they denounced ferociously the Apartheid system in So. Africa, Pinchonet in Chile, Franco in Spain–none of whom remotely approached the level of evil of the Stalins and Mao’s.

    A few months back, members of the Congressional Black Caucus visited Castro in Cuba and brought back glowing tributes to him and to Che Guevara. –I’ll jump to another point: the “socialisers” (socialists and collectivists) in the past 100 years have seen the complete failure of socialism both in theory and in practice. To continue to hold to that philosophy, they must live in a state of denial and pretense. They must also live with contradictions.
    Thus we see them deny all the horrors we have spoken about above. We see in the Obama Administration, for example, how they wallow in contradictions: they say they will balance the Federal budget while putting the country into greater debt by the trillions of dollars; the say they believe in freedom of speech while they try to silence opponents in the news-media or on talk radio, and while the FCC chairman not-so-secretly works to put into effect the “Fairness Doctrine”; they say they believe in free enterprise while they take over banking, the housing industry, part of the auto industry, transportation, education.. –and on and on.
    Perhaps it’s this: when your philosophy is a failure, and when you know it is a failure, you simply forget morality and work feverishly to acquire POWER. jd

    • Cas Balicki permalink
      November 1, 2009 9:20 am

      Jimdouthit, your entire post is testament to the power of the utopian myth. For the socialist/communist the fault is always with those opposed to the dream and never with the dream itself or with those striving to make the dream reality. That is why creeps such as Mao, Stalin, and Castro, even in light of their atrocities, are viewed by the left as heroes while Hitler is not. Hitler and Stalin, the fascist and the socialist, only differed in that communism internationalized its perverted political ambitions while the fascists remained nationalists (Nazi = National Socialist). This petty difference is a significant enough distinction in the left’s mind to render fascism and socialism opposites. Excerpt the anti-Semitic planks of the Nazi party platform and the remainder of that platform can easily be supported and advocated by any socialist party in the world. Nazism and Socialism may be estranged by internationalism, but there is no getting around the fact that they are a pair of twisted sisters.

  2. Fred Alexander permalink
    November 1, 2009 8:21 am

    “Heaven should never be so real that we trample over the unbeliever to get there.” Tell that to the Islamic Fundamentalists who kill others in the imaginary belief that their god friend (Allah) is more imaginarily powerful than the imaginary god friend of the person they kill. These brainwashed nut cases follow the hate teachings of some deranged cleric lost in ancient surreal times.

  3. Kenneth Hall permalink
    November 1, 2009 5:52 pm

    God’s plan from the beginning was allow men to choose whether they would become like Him or go their own way and become self serving!

    You know it was that tree we weren’t supposed to eat from!
    The tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil!
    In the original context the word knowledge mean’s knowledge that can only be gained by experience!

    Men chose to experience Good and Evil for them selves instead of taking God’s word for it!
    To try if for them selves instead of walking with God and allowing Him to explain it to them!

    And so even though we joke about Adam and Eve saying why did they eat it we must ask ourselves why do we!
    Every time we chose to do evil when we know better we become them don’t we?

    I made a case in another post that this life is a training ground, and a test for us to choose who’s image we will be made into!
    God’s or Satan’s?

    One gives men freedom to choose to do evil even knowing others will suffer as a result!
    The other demands complete and immediate obedience and exacts severe punishment for the transgressors!
    You could make a case that Satan’s method is more effective at restraining men’s
    passions and evil!

    And you would be right temporarily but they will revert back to their nature at their soon opportunity!

    God’s way however exposes the true nature of a person, be He meek or a predator, which is why He calls His disciples to be sheep! They are bait to bring the predator in those around them into the light for all to see!
    He does however have shepherds to make sure all the sheep don’t get eaten before the project is over!

    What’s wrong with what the liberals and any other control freak want to do to create their utopia?

    It is subverting God’s plan!

    Not to mention they are capable of being sheep! They are by nature predators and in the end will only be eliminating the shepherds so they can eat the sheep at will!

    The utopia the bible promises is in the next life not this one!
    This life is just to see if you qualify for it!
    Because God will not be allowing any one who is by nature a predator no matter how well He disguises Himself!
    Because forever is a really long time!

  4. Steve R permalink
    November 1, 2009 7:35 pm

    My faith teaches me that Satan is already lost. It’s only a question of how many he takes with him. Others will disagree. That’s fine. If I’m wrong, I’ve lost nothing. If they’re wrong, they’ve lost everything.

    • Kenneth Hall permalink
      November 1, 2009 8:41 pm

      I would agree in principle as Jesus’s plan has been declared the winner and He has been elevated to the judge of all mankind!.

      However Satan is taken into custody and thrown down out of heaven by Michael the Arch angel in the book of revelation!
      Which declares it is the book of things to come. Also in
      Isaiah 14
      4. That (thou shalt) take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say , How hath the oppressor ceased ! the golden city ceased !

      * 5. The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers .

      * 6. He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth .

      * 7. The whole earth is at rest , and is quiet : they break forth into singing.

      * 8. Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down , no feller is come up against us.

      * 9. Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming : it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

      * 10. All (they shall speak) and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

      * 11.
      * Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
      12.
      * How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

      * 13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

      * 14.
      * I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

      * 15.
      * Yet (thou shalt) be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

      * 16.
      * They that see thee (shall narrowly look upon thee), and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble , that did shake kingdoms;

      * 17.
      * That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

      * 18.
      * All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

      * 19.
      * But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain , thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet .

      * 20.
      * (Thou shalt not) be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned .

      * 21.
      * Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise , nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities .

      * 22.
      * (For I will) rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.

      * 23.
      * (I will) also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and (I will) sweep it with the besom of destruction , saith the LORD of hosts.

      * 24.
      * The LORD of hosts hath sworn , saying , Surely as I have thought , (so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed) , so shall it stand :

      * 25.
      * That (I will break the Assyrian) in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot : then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

      * 26.
      * This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.

      * 27.
      * For the LORD of hosts hath purposed , and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out , and (who shall turn it back) ?

      * 28.
      * In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.

      * 29.
      * Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken : for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

      * 30.
      * And the firstborn of the poor shall feed , and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.

      * 31.
      * Howl , O gate; cry , O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved : for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

      * 32.
      * What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

      Notice all references here are future tense not past!

      In Ezekiel the context of the comments like here are from the perspective of the millineum reign of Christ!
      Again foretelling a future event not past!

      So while I agree His demise is written in stone and can not be avoided He is still the accuser of the brotheren and still hasn’t been thrown down yet!

      And as such He is still causing untold misery on men!

      When He is cast to the earth He will poor out His fury and bitterness on those who He feels responsible for His fall!

      The faithful remnant who have been Jesus’s evidence for the justification of God’s plan!

      Those who feel emboldened to sling stones at the church, and Christians in general should remember you don’t create counterfeits unless there is a genuine!

      You will be judged by the same standard by which you judge others!
      SO make sure your judgment is just or keep your mouth shut for your own sake and leave the judging to Jesus!

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