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Slaughter At The Polls

November 3, 2009

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Virginia has spoken. Americans have had it up to the ears with the Obama juggernaut. As Karl Rove explained to O’Reilly, Obama hasn’t governed the way “he led us to expect he would.” Translation. The president is a liar — and not on trivial issues either. He led the electorate to believe he was a centrist — he has governed from the left. He led the electorate to believe he would watch the deficit — he is a deficit extremist. He led the electorate to believe he would surround himself with the Volkers and the Buffetts. He surround himself with the Van Jones and the Valerie Jarettes and the Anita Dunns. The 62-38 swing by 8:30PM EST  is a thirty point electoral swing since last November. And in a state whose northern heavily populated districts front on the White House lawn and whose news is national news. It’s early; New Jersey isn’t in. But the significance of this landslide cannot be understated. An electorally decisive part of the electorate who voted for Obama last November voted against him in Virginia today.

Which means: Obamacare is dead. For now.

Postscript: New Jersey, when you consider that Obama won the state by 15 points is also a landslide shift (20 points) — mainly among independents. By not governing as a centrist Obama has forfeited his margin of victory and doomed his health care reform. On CNN Carville said: If he doesn’t pass health care, the Democrats are going to get “slaughtered” because they will have shown that they can’t govern — they can’t get things done.

Now Obama faces a dilemma. If he moves right to retrieve the independents, he will lose his base. If he continues his leftward course, it is all over for him. He can’t win without the independents and they don’t like his spending  and will like the taxes that are coming even less. He is going to have have raise taxes to pay for his deficits; he has a war which he can’t prosecute without losing his base and can’t lose without losing the center. He is already losing his base. The practicalities of governing, the compromises he has had to make to keep his Democratic majority in Congress have washed away some of the fairy dust he sprinkled over the young who thought he walked on water. The options he now has will do more of the same.  The revolution is over. The reckoning is on the way. There is one caveat to keep in mind. It’s a two party system and Republicans are also capable of screwing up their opportunities.

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40 Comments
  1. Swemson permalink
    November 3, 2009 6:36 pm

    Could it be that “the worm has turned” ?

    My fingers are crossed !

  2. Kennon Bouldin permalink
    November 3, 2009 7:11 pm

    Go Virginia! I am proud of my fellow Virginian’s return to their senses.

  3. John Davidson permalink
    November 3, 2009 7:16 pm

    If they don’t cheat in New Jersey, things look good there, too.

  4. Marylou permalink
    November 3, 2009 7:25 pm

    This justifies my faith in the wonderful American spirit! We love our freedom (see David Swindle’s excellent article/s about Gen Y — they love it a lot!)

    I think back to when 9/11 had just happened. I was sitting alone at my desk in shock and horror at the enormity of what had just happened. Within about an hour and a half my heart rested in the belief that the American spirit would rise up and things would be OK!!

    Those who know me realize I am a big believer, optimist on purpose. Read some of our history, especially the War of 1812. So many times Providence gives us a miracle when all seems lost.

    We need to teach our children what we’ve got. Phooey on the govt schools and the phoney news outlets. We need to go to the trenches, one on one. Heart to heart.

    We can!! Yes.

  5. John Davidson permalink
    November 3, 2009 7:27 pm

    Bingo! New Jersey woke up and did the right thing for a whole lot of us.

  6. MarkR permalink
    November 3, 2009 8:32 pm

    Finally a glimmer of more than hope (tea parties and 9/12ers signified hope)as a real result or two are huge. Still I awaken each a.m. and cant believe what the American public wrought in ’08. All one needed to do was use logical investigative skills. I also still worry as I see the major premise being the “economy stupid”. I worry because if somehow Obama were to do a Clinton (highly unlikely as O is a true believer) would the public flock to a man who brought the unemployment rate down by whatever means? I do believe today is a day of rejoicing, but I still believe the dangers are extreme and if enough of the electorate is living freely off the rest of the electorate it could spell big trouble. Interesting times indeed.

    • betty boop permalink
      November 4, 2009 4:14 am

      I agree, MarkR, Bravo, NJ & VA! Not time to throw in the towel, but a welcome win in a long fight. Let’s keep up the resistance!

    • November 4, 2009 9:53 am

      Mark,

      While I too, am happy to see the victories in VA and NJ, I share your misgivings. Had Hoffman been able to pull it off in NY, I don’t think I’d feel that way. His election would have been a clearer message to BOTH parties that yes, the American people want change–but change that is based on shared values and principles of a free society. As it stands it will be too easy for the GOP for the rallying cry in 2010 to be the economy and “jobs” so let’s cut taxes (which I AM for, by the way) without getting it through their heads that their behavior for the past 9 years is what brought us to this point. Not to mention how their constituents have grown tired of their sheer arrogance and inabilty to understand WE sign their paychecks. And until they do, all we will be doing in the next election is more of the same, just with an “R” in front of it.

  7. November 4, 2009 6:01 am

    I can now picture a BUNCH of people needing to buy razor blades to scratch off the Obama bumper stickers they were once SO proud of. Anyone want to have an Obama T-Shirt burn night too?

    I always wanted to walk up to those that voted for him and ask, “Hows that working out for you so far?” HA!

  8. Janet permalink
    November 4, 2009 6:32 am

    For the first time in many months, I’ve woken with a hopeful feeling.
    But, as written above, there’s a long road ahead ’til the crisis is over. I want to publicly thank people like you, Mr. Horowitz, and for sure Glen Beck and most of the commentators on Fox News, and for those who have played major roles in exposing Acorn, the sleazy czars, etal, because surely a large majority of yesterday’s voters in Virginia and New Jersey were inluenced by all of you.

  9. Janet permalink
    November 4, 2009 6:33 am

    “influenced”, that is

  10. Guido permalink
    November 4, 2009 8:24 am

    “Which means: Obamacare is dead. For now”

    How does this possibly influence Obamacare? These are state elections not federal and last I checked, the health care proposal is being debated in the House and Senate of the United States, not Virginia or New Jersey. You Republicans are really grasping at straws here.

    As far as your comments that Obama is governing from the left, I believe you are mistaken. Anyone slightly left of center is shocked that he is even attempting to get Republican’s support on anything. Frankly I think he should use his majority to fix what eight years of Chimpy McFlightsuit destroyed. The majority of the American public support universal health care and I only hope Obama will listen to that majority and leave the Republicans out of the process entirely. That’s what the Republicans did with their majority. Payback is a B**ch. Suck it Republicans!

    • Steve R permalink
      November 4, 2009 9:37 am

      Guido, baby — I love your post because it just confirms to me the lack of reality most of you progressives have when it comes to what’s happening out there. First of all, if you were looking at facts instead of party apparatchik talking points, you’d know most Americans do NOT want Obamacare. They want the system fixed incrementally, not destroyed for some utopian vision.

      Second — the lesson of NJ and VA will not be lost on 435 members of Congress who must answer to their constituents next year. If you had a single clue as to the makeup and political realities in the two states, you’d understand the message being sent. You can bet the MC’s get it. They’ll be much more reluctnant to take one for the team, when it’s clear Obama ain’t gonna be able to give them cover at home.

      Keep posting, Guido, you think you’re trolling, but you’re actually giving us a useful window into what we laughingly refer to here as “liberal thought.”

    • Steve R permalink
      November 4, 2009 9:48 am

      Hey Guido — Just for grins.

      http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Lessons-from-the-2009-election-results-69054827.html

    • November 4, 2009 10:52 am

      Guido, your analysis shows a complete lack of political aptitude. But that’s a good sign. If there are Dem strategists who share your talent for misconception, then the bleeding has only begun for the Dem party. Let it flow.

  11. Steve R permalink
    November 4, 2009 9:26 am

    Just some thoughts on last night, in no particular order…

    I think Obama will double down on his agenda. He has said, or supposed to have said, he really doesn’t care if he’s reelected in 2012. If he is/was serious about that, look for his efforts to intensify. Obamacare may be his centerpiece, but it’s not his only “druthers” — much of what he’s pushing can be done with his czars — none of whom is answerable to Congress.

    Former White House mouthpiece Dana Perino, on Hannity last night, made what I thought was a cogent point: the real trickle-down benefit of the VA and NJ elections will be that right-of-center/conservative candidates will be easier to find, and more willing to stand.

    I wish Hoffman hadn’t been so quick to concede last night. Had Scuzzball not been in the race, the 5K-or-so votes she got would have put him over the top. There are still absentee ballots to be counted, I believe. Owens has nothing to crow about. If he’s serious about being a Congress member from one of the most Republican districts in the Nation, he’d better line up with the Blue Dogs. Even if he does, he has no guarantee of keeping his job in 2010.

    History tells me that third parties are a waste of their members’ time unless the object is to throw the election to someone you don’t like. Take a lesson from Barry Goldwater and the nascent conservative movement in 1963-64. They worked WITHIN the GOP, and — voila — they took it, and gave us Ronaldus Maximus. That’s how our system is structured. It doesn’t happen overnight, but it does happen.

    Point being — celebrate last night, then get your backsides back to work.

  12. November 4, 2009 9:42 am

    Yet America has real problems – now – and needs an effective government that works. Let’s hope that the elections lead to more effective, smarter, and wiser decisions by the Obama administration.

  13. Steve R permalink
    November 4, 2009 10:17 am

    Who lost NY-23?

    Good piece from Contentions(at Commentary Mag):

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/tobin/153352

    • In the Know permalink
      November 4, 2009 10:40 am

      Good article. Very logical point. Compared side by side, Scuzzyfazza and Owens were almost identical.

  14. Guido permalink
    November 4, 2009 11:36 am

    Wow! One dissenting opinion on this article and look at the feedback. You’ve called my “lack of political aptitude” and laughingly refer to “Liberal thought.” Steve R even states that most Americans do NOT want Obamacare. Well Steve-O you are a misinformed liar and I have some facts to back that statement up:

    Here is a graph showing that 77% of the American population supports a robust public option:

    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportPopup.aspx?g=5ba17aa2-f1b9-4445-a6b8-62b9d1ba8693&q=56091

    Here is the breakdown of the data:
    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5ba17aa2-f1b9-4445-a6b8-62b9d1ba8693

    The link to the Washington Examiner was interesting. I think this paragraph sums up what has turned off many educated voters to the Republican Party.

    From the 1996 election up through and including 2008., affluent counties in the East, Midwest and West have trended Democratic, largely through distaste for the religious and cultural conservatives whom voters there have seen (not without reason) as dominant in the Republican party. Now, with the specter of higher tax rates and a vastly expanded public sector, they may be—possibly—headed in the other direction. An interesting trend to watch

    Republicans used to be the party of conservative fiscal policy. Under Reagan, HW Bush and Chimpy McFlightsuit, tax rates decreased for the upper tier while government spending increased. It was Clinton who actually managed to balance the budget during this period. Republicans starting losing their educated base and had to scramble for votes from the guns and god crowd who are too stupid to realize that the Republican Party is not acting on their behalf. The Republican Party has been unashamedly bought and paid for by corporations. I am reminded of a quote from Grover Cleveland, the only Democratic President during the first gilded age of robber barons. We have managed to deregulate ourselves into a second gilded age. There is nothing new under the sun.

    On December 3, 1888, President Grover Cleveland delivered his annual address to Congress. Apparently Cleveland had taken notice of the Santa Clara County Supreme Court headnote, its politics, and its consequences, for he said in his speech to the nation, delivered before a joint session of Congress: “As we view the achievements of aggregated capital, we discover the existence of trusts, combinations, and monopolies, while the citizen is struggling far in the rear or is trampled to death beneath an iron heel. Corporations, which should be the carefully restrained creatures of the law and the servants of the people, are fast becoming the people’s masters.”

    If you are still not convinced, please see this link:

    http://www.imagegenerator.net/browse/magic8ball/date/126118/

    • In the Know permalink
      November 4, 2009 2:13 pm

      That’s great Guido. Your post is based upon the assumption that this blog and its commentators blindly follow the republican party. Wait…what’s that? Do you hear that whistle? It’s the reality train pulling into this commentary section….WHOOT!WHOOOOOTT! Unlike the Kool-aide addicted rabid left, most intelligent people make up thier own minds. As for your linked polls, let’s see….sponsor, Moveon.org…hmmmmm. Polls were conducted by…NBC news/Wall street journal….hhmmmmm. This poll looks familiar. Actually, come to think of it, this same poll’s validity was questioned when it was released on 8/19/09. Do you and your friends in congress think that us “dumb Americans” are still asleep? Did you think we would forget August. I truly believe you did. As I recall, a large percentage of respondents to this particular poll were reported to have been registered democrats or self identified liberals. Your evidence is propoganda at best. Congratulations. I never really cared for Kool-aide, I prefer scotch. Maybe you lefties should grow up and try an adult beverage.

      “Mr. Guido, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

      • In the Know permalink
        November 5, 2009 6:47 am

        http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportEmail.aspx?g=5ba17aa2-f1b9-4445-a6b8-62b9d1ba8693

        That’s a hyperlink from your pie chart link. Bottom right corner. I rest my case regarding the Kool-Aide. Again, thanks for playing, you lose. I believe it says something about a sponsor? I forgive you for calling me a liar. You were ignorant of the truth. Humble pie tastes better when fed to you by someone with class, doesn’t it.

    • Steve R permalink
      November 4, 2009 4:38 pm

      I can either be a liar or misinformed, Guido, not both — and you, sir, aren’t smart enough to be either.

    • November 4, 2009 7:42 pm

      Thank you for confirming my point. Faulty analysis based on faulty facts equals failure. It’s what happened to John Kerry in 2004. Kerry supporters were so blindsided they’re still trying to figure out what happened.

      Conservatives can only hope that Dem party strategists remain as clueless as Guido. Rock on dude.

  15. Michaelle Maloney permalink
    November 4, 2009 1:24 pm

    Its about time Obamao ties himself up in knots.

  16. November 4, 2009 3:34 pm

    It was an absolute slaughter, I have to me honest I loved every minute of the news last night.

  17. Guido permalink
    November 4, 2009 3:44 pm

    In the know:

    Are you actually trying to claim that this particular blog is not partisan? How is that possible? Mine is the lone voice of dissent in sea of Republican sycophants and you have the audacity of accusing me of drinking the Kool-aide?

    You also claim the poll I listed was sponsored by moveon.org. You sir, are a liar! The poll was conducted by Survey USA. Here’s what they have to say about themselves.
    SurveyUSA is an independent, non-partisan, full-service opinion research firm that conducts scientific research for media, government, and private-sector clients. By many measures, SurveyUSA is the nation’s largest public opinion polling firm. As of 2002, 19 of the nation’s then 25 largest media companies had contracted with SurveyUSA to conduct opinion research.
    As for party affiliation, 28% were Republican, 38% Democrat and 31% Independent. Of the republicans polled, 71% believed a robust Government option was extremely or quite important.
    I’m not hiding my facts. Here is the link. Check it out, I dare you!
    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5ba17aa2-f1b9-4445-a6b8-62b9d1ba8693

    You claim to be a thinking person yet you refuse to look at data. You pull BS from your nether regions and post it as fact. I dare you to respond with any FACTUAL information. Is it now a requirement for Republicans to be pathological liars?
    You claim to be dumber after having read my reply. I doubt that is even possible.
    Please go back to polishing Glenn Beck’s knob. It seems to be the only way to shut you up.

    • November 4, 2009 3:54 pm

      Are you actually trying to claim that this particular blog is not partisan? How is that possible? Mine is the lone voice of dissent in sea of Republican sycophants and you have the audacity of accusing me of drinking the Kool-aide?

      Welcome to NewsReal, Guido. I’m the managing editor. Yes, NewsReal is not a partisan blog. We support conservative ideas, but since the DHFC is a 501(c)(3) — a charity — we are not legally allowed to be partisan in promoting parties, candidates, or legislation.

      And frankly, I kind of like that. I’m an independent when it comes to parties and it’s with that spirit that I run this blog and manage my writers.

      Anyway, if you’re going to continue commenting here please do read our commenting guidelines. http://newsrealblog.com/commenting-guidelines/

      That last comment about Glenn Beck is in violation of point 4 of our guidelines.

      • Swemson permalink
        November 4, 2009 4:06 pm

        4 ?

        I can only find 3 🙂

  18. Guido permalink
    November 4, 2009 4:26 pm

    Thank you for bringing these rules to my attention. I understand the requirements of 501(c)(3)so I will refrain from classifying this blog as being affiliated with the GOP. However, with respect to my alleged violations of point 4 of the guidelines:
    ~Disgusting. Let’s avoid toilet humor and pornographic commentary. We’re not in third grade any more.
    While I too find polishing of knobs, silverware or any other metal to be tedious, I fail to see how suggesting that “In the know” helping a fellow Republican with household chores could be construed as disgusting. I suppose it may be linked to Republican elitism and an aversion to manual labor. Perhaps that could be construed as disgusting. Thanks for helping me understand the error of my ways. I shall endeavor to keep these comments in check in any future postings.

    Yours in science,
    Guido

    • November 4, 2009 4:50 pm

      While I too find polishing of knobs, silverware or any other metal to be tedious, I fail to see how suggesting that “In the know” helping a fellow Republican with household chores could be construed as disgusting. I suppose it may be linked to Republican elitism and an aversion to manual labor. Perhaps that could be construed as disgusting. Thanks for helping me understand the error of my ways. I shall endeavor to keep these comments in check in any future postings.

      Oh, so THAT’s what you meant. Yeah, I’m sure.

      But I suppose since you made me laugh with your amusing explanation I’ll let it slide.

      • Marylou permalink
        November 6, 2009 12:31 am

        I dunno, David. The guy is obviously a twerp (wouldn’t fess up to what he did, can’t be corrected then?) I am not as patient as you or as forgiving right now.

  19. Guido permalink
    November 4, 2009 4:51 pm

    So Steve-R, which is it? Are you a liar or misinformed?

    Since, as usual, you can’t produce any credible sources or actual arguments you have once again resorted to calling me stupid. With that argument style you should see if you can get a job as a Fox News commentator. Good luck in your endeavors.

    • In the Know permalink
      November 5, 2009 11:15 am

      Why don’t you check my addendum. It will provide you with a credible source that you posted, genius.

    • November 5, 2009 11:19 am

      Yo, Brother G. Your pizzas are getting cold. You might want to get on with your deliveries. As a political pollster and strategist, you’d last less than a day.

  20. Guiseppe permalink
    November 4, 2009 8:29 pm

    Political differences aside, I have to point out the absolute comic genius of Guido and also the recognition of good humor by David Swindle.

    I have been laughing to the point of tears from this post. Well played to both of you.

    While I too find polishing of knobs, silverware or any other metal to be tedious, I fail to see how suggesting that “In the know” helping a fellow Republican with household chores could be construed as disgusting. I suppose it may be linked to Republican elitism and an aversion to manual labor. Perhaps that could be construed as disgusting. Thanks for helping me understand the error of my ways. I shall endeavor to keep these comments in check in any future postings.

    Oh, so THAT’s what you meant. Yeah, I’m sure.

    But I suppose since you made me laugh with your amusing explanation I’ll let it slide.

  21. jgreene permalink
    November 5, 2009 3:00 pm

    It is becoming increasingly apparent that the American People led by Tea Party Members and small “c” conservatives are going to make a MAJOR IMPACT on the body politic.

    Conservative values are held by a large majority of the American People. If the Republican Party can rid itself of the liberal RINO dregs and support conservative candidates, in 2010 it will sweep the Socialist Marxists out of power in the Democratic Party now in Congress.

    I’m very proud of Americans like Doug Hoffman and Sarah Palin, and Michelle Bachman. The future is going to be more Americans turning back to Citizen Representation and defeating professional, kleptocrats in Congress both Democrat and Republican.

    God Bless America! Let’s Roll!

  22. Guido permalink
    November 5, 2009 4:13 pm

    Hey Tar And feathers. When did you get a job as In the Know’s Ed McMahan.

    “Har har har… yes! Good one In the Know. You sure showed him.” You, Mr. Tar and Feathers, are a sycophant’s sycophant. I salute you!

    Professionally, I am neither a political pollster nor a strategist nor a pizza delivery person but I do appreciate your subtle racist overtones. Based on your commentary, I don’t think you are political pollster or a strategist either so we have that in common.

    Now onto In the know:

    Touché on the move on sponsorship. It’s there in black and white. I missed it. That being said, why shouldn’t moveon.org sponsor a poll to gauge public opinion on an issue they are interested in? The fact that it was carried out by an independent polling group does lend much to its credibility. Additionally, the wording of the questions are clearly posted. The one question that deals specifically with the public option is this:

    In any health care proposal, how important do you feel it is to give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance–extremely important, quite important, not that important, or not at all important?

    Frankly I don’t find that wording to be leading at all. 71% of Republicans polled found the public option to be extremely or quite important as did 86% of Democrats and 71% of independents. I would call that statistically significant.

    Now let’s move on to jgreene:

    “Conservative values are held by a large majority of the American People. If the Republican Party can rid itself of the liberal RINO dregs and support conservative candidates, in 2010 it will sweep the Socialist Marxists out of power in the Democratic Party now in Congress.”

    HAHAHAAAAA!
    The Republican party is on death’s doorstep. Trickle-down economics, the cornerstone on the modern Republican Party, has failed utterly. The only thing losely holding the Republican Party together is a few bumpkins holding on to a quaint notion of the good old days when everyone went to church whether they believed in God or not and expoused virtue while they frequented brothels or seduced their secrataries. These RINO Republicans you refer to are what many of us would consider Non-Nutjob Republicans. If you get rid of them, you will be left with a truly fringe party with no chance of willing another election. Here’s what ABC had to say about it.

    ABC News reports that the GOP is finding itself in challenging political times: “Only 20 percent of Americans now identify themselves as Republicans, the fewest in 26 years. Just 19 percent, similarly, trust the Republicans in Congress to make the right decisions for the country’s future; even among Republicans themselves just four in 10 are confident in their own party. For comparison, 49 percent overall express this confidence in Obama, steady since August albeit well below its peak.”

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