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To MSNBC the Least Important Thing about Killer Army Doctor is He was a Muslim Who Lauded Suicide Bombers: Meltdown with Keith Olbermann Part 14

November 5, 2009

Editor’s Note: See the previous installments of Forsmark’s “Meltdown with Keith Olbermann” series here.

While every other news channel at the top of the hour led with the mass murders committed by Army psychiatrist Major Malik Nadal Hasan, Keith Olbermann led Countdown with a hysterical rant about the health care demonstration at the Capitol, implying it was treasonous, seditious activity by the Republican Party, a call to violence, racist, and reminiscent of Apartheid South Africa.

Keith Olbermann could connect the dots between one offensive sign at the anti-socialized medicine rally at the Capitol today, racism, and the Republican leadership; but the fact that Hasan had been in some hot water with the Army for an internet post where he said that suicide bombers were comparable to soldiers who sacrificially throw themselves on a grenade to protect their comrades in arms did not strike him as a salient point.

While MSNBC hosts Chris Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow all mentioned that Hasan was distraught over an imminent deployment to Iraq, and sometimes mentioned he was against the war, none emphasized that he was a Muslim who made statements that the Muslims should “stand up” against American forces in the Middle East.

NBC News Terrorism Analyst Roger Cressey pointed out to Matthews that the “pasty white kid” who is the al Qaeda American spokesman called for just such actions, but that was the last of that kind of talk for the night on the network.

Matthews kept going on sympathetically about PTSD, and the “horrendous things” that Hasan must had heard as an Army psychiatrist.  But in a fairly long career as an Army shrink, Hasan had never been deployed overseas.

But that fits the liberal media template. Military service can drive you nuts.

I’m guessing no one on this network will EVER point out that it may be a measure of political correctness that this guy was still on active duty at all, with these danger signs.  Was someone afraid to be accused of cashiering an “outspoken Muslim,” because of “profiling?”

Former FBI profiler Cliff van Zandt did mention to Olbermann that Hasan may have had a “secondary” religious motive.  Of course, in van Zandt’s experience, serial or mass murderers who claim a religious motive are usually covering for something else, in many cases a psychosexual fantasy.

But this is no “God told me to purge those women” run of the mill psycho; and a not insignificant portion of his co-religionists have gone on suicide missions with religion as a PRIMARY motive.

And a half hour into Maddow’s show, the word Muslim has not come up, though his degree from Virginia Tech, scene of another mass shooting has been come up in an ironic context  few times—and Mark Benjamin of Salon emphasized “secondary PTSD” as the most likely motive, with no basis for that theory, followed by Christopher Smith of Rolling Stone saying that the military is negligent in treating PTSD, and relating lots of stories about disturbed veterans.


But back to Countdown.  Remember the format.  Olbermann led with his hysterical rant about the supposed rebellion at the Capitol today, but that made it the 5th story in his top 5.  Next, was Cliff van Sant and an attempt at profiling Hasan.

That made Fort Hood Keith Olbermann’s NUMBER 4 STORY OF THE DAY!

Number 1?  The earth shattering revelation that conservatives from Dick Army to Sarah Palin have contradictory opinions over the meaning of the Congressional race in New York 23, edging out Rush Limbaugh making the Worst Person in the World list for a joke about “anal poisoning.”

No, I’m not kidding.

Yeah, it’s FOX that’s not a real news organization.

Editor’s Note: See Ben Johnson’s commentary on President Obama’s poor remarks proceeding his words on the massacre.

  1. Swemson permalink
    November 5, 2009 7:49 pm


    From time to time, don’t you just shake your head in utter bewilderment over the insanity all around us?

    • Marylou permalink
      November 5, 2009 8:57 pm

      We’re still curious about the eyeball.

      • Swemson permalink
        November 5, 2009 9:02 pm

        I’m flattered that you’re so mesmerized !

    • Marylou permalink
      November 6, 2009 12:54 am

      NOW I see you sharing your choice of this lovely picture…a fascination with closeups. Thank you.

    • politicalmoxie permalink
      November 6, 2009 9:13 am

      The day MSNBC sinks into absolute oblivion I hope @NewsRealBlog puts the song by Queen, Another One Bites The Dust on a loop and the site plays it continuously for 24 Hours with no other posts.

    • Winghunter permalink
      November 7, 2009 8:18 am

      If you’re paying attention to everything that’s going on you’re shaking your head several times each day….Should I list the international as well as domestic insanity that begins with a card carrying Communist as a president??

  2. David Forsmark permalink
    November 5, 2009 8:53 pm

    If more than 1/3 of 1% of Americans watched MSNBC, I would probably BE worried. Luckily this is a fringe, at best.

    • Swemson permalink
      November 5, 2009 9:03 pm


      If that statistic is accurate, then that’s the first good thing I’ve heard all day !

      • David Forsmark permalink
        November 5, 2009 9:08 pm

        Olbermann is their top rated show. Right around a million viewers– out of 300 million people… so, most of the time, it’s far less than that. Matthews at 5PM for example is about a quarter million. Lots of big city news broadcasts have more viewers in one city than Matthews has nationwide.

        • Swemson permalink
          November 5, 2009 10:10 pm


          I needed that !

          • John Davidson permalink
            November 6, 2009 6:34 am

            And most of them are in prison.

      • politicalmoxie permalink
        November 6, 2009 8:36 am

        Ah, the eyeball, it’s so creepy! I hold my hand over it to read the comment. Sometimes they’re priceless and worth the moment of discomfort.
        I just want to know where David Swindle put “my original” hot pink troll………

  3. Louie723 permalink
    November 5, 2009 9:31 pm

    “Mark Benjamin of Salon emphasized secondary PTSD as the most likely motive”

    What a joke. Secondary PTSD would indicate a heightened concern for others who are serving, or have served in combat, not that you want to kill them!

    Fry Hasan.

  4. Kevroc permalink
    November 5, 2009 11:32 pm

    I think it is a wonderful thing that this guy is alive.

    His true words should be heard, and he should be handed the death penalty.

    Then, I want to see the Islamic reaction to the sentence.

    I want massive publicity around this.

    Get a microphone in front of this guy, pronto.

    Show the hate. Let America see it.

    • Marylou permalink
      November 6, 2009 12:56 am

      I was impressed by his cousin speaking out with the family’s regrets. I know, trust but verify.

    • politicalmoxie permalink
      November 6, 2009 3:37 pm

      My sister called me and left this message, “I’ll bet when he wakes up he’s going to very upset he’s still alive. He’ll be looking for that Utopia promised by Allah.”

  5. Dr J permalink
    November 6, 2009 12:23 am

    In all fairness I understand that Shlep Smith on FOX refused to mention the name of the Muslim murderer at all after all the other news networks including CNN identified Hasan by name.
    I believe there’s more to this than we’re being told.

    • politicalmoxie permalink
      November 6, 2009 8:54 am

      @ Dr J

      I was listening to Shep. He was very clear, he did not want to announce the name until it was officially verified, even though he had it. He did not know if the family had been notified. No matter the shooter’s reason, I believe that’s the right thing. Rumors were flying, saying it was one person/two people/they were looking for a third person. Hopefully I’ve made my point.
      Remember 1995 and the rush to judgement about the Oklahoma bombing. The unverified stories being broadcast, slanted towards the middle east. I admire the self control of FOX, even though I knew if I changed the channel I would know who “they” said did it.
      Please, if you want to respond to this comment, I have read/heard the unverifiable conspiracy theories about McVeigh and his buddies.

      • Winghunter permalink
        November 7, 2009 8:25 am

        Shlep is a stone idiot incapable of controlling his emotions…it’s just as simple as that.

        McVeigh was a member of a neonazi group and that IS verified.

        • Jack Peek permalink
          November 8, 2009 9:03 pm

          DEAR WINGER…2 PEOPLE KILLED THOSE PEOPLE/KIDS IN OAKIE CITY…thousands of attacks around the world my Muslims…NONE OF THEM NAMED SMITH..GET MY POINT.

          No honar killings by anyone named Smith in USA..get my go find an ied AND SIT ON IT.

  6. Sam Deakins permalink
    November 6, 2009 2:27 am

    Can anyone tell what muslim man does not have a psychosexual fantasy? (72 virgins, anyone?)

    • Marylou permalink
      November 7, 2009 1:13 am

      hmmmm….just Muslim men?

  7. Michael van der Galien permalink
    November 6, 2009 2:38 am

    This wasn’t about a trauma or anything, or stress, this was about this man’s sick beliefs.

  8. Chris permalink
    November 6, 2009 3:30 am

    I was watching Foxnews when Shep Smith spoke to Hasan’s cousin over the phone. I don’t remember the cousin expressing regret on behalf of Hasan’s family. Smith asked whether Hasan was a recent convert to Islam, and his cousin emphatically replied “NO.” Hasan is a lifelong Muslim. I remember the cousin also saying that Hasan was a great guy who grew up here, went to school, played school sports, tried to fit in, but was essentially harassed for his ethnicity, implying that maybe he went berserk because he couldn’t take the name-calling anymore. What a load of crap.

    • chiefjgmac permalink
      November 6, 2009 5:35 am

      Chris, I agree completely. I remember thinking Shep, this guy is pulling your leg. The cousin said that the major had gone into the military right out of high school. That would have made him 17 or 18. He was reportedly 39, making him a 21 year veteran of the military, (if you believe the cousin) and reportedly never deployed overseas. Just does not hold water. My question would be, when did he get his commission, how long had he been in the military? Another question, did he have any break in service? If so, how long and when did he come back in.
      In a related report, I heard Geraldo say this morning, (I have been on Ft Hood) and other than civilian guards and military police (MP) there were no weapons on Fort Hood. That reaffirms my thinking of what a tool/fool Geraldo has become. Soldiers are no different than their civilian counterparts. They are allowed to own individual weapons. Many of those same weapons are stored in unit arms rooms (if the individual lives on post). They are allowed to be signed out at any time. Geraldo needs to check his ‘facts’ before speaking ‘his’ truths.

      • chiefjgmac permalink
        November 6, 2009 5:37 am

        We will just have to wait for all the truth to come out!

      • Ryan62 permalink
        November 7, 2009 4:02 pm

        As a former soldier who has been stationed at Fort Hood, I can tell you yes you are allowed to have POWs (Privately Owned Weapons) but as you mentioned they are stored in the unit arms room and you can not in fact get them out “anytime you want” you actually need a memorandum from your commander. Further, as they are stored in the arms room, it is quite a production to get to them. There is a two man rule for access to the arms room (to prevent one guy from going crazy and stealing all the weapons) one guy has access to the keys the other has access to the alarm codes. So you would have to run back to your unit, hope the armorer and who ever else you need is close by, hope they are willing to open the arms room and get you said weapon without the memo you are supposed to have and then you are in business. Of course having gone through all that your M-4 is right there in the rack and grabbing that is probably a better choice than your personal weapon.
        Are there a plethora of fire arms on base? Sure, are they easy to get to in a crisis? Sadly, absolutely not.

        • David Forsmark permalink
          November 7, 2009 7:46 pm

          Chief and Ryan, thanks for the info and for your service. It’s not surprising to me that we generate better facts on our response blog than Geraldo gets with his “research” when we have readers like you!

        • chiefjgmac permalink
          November 8, 2009 10:37 am

          Ryan62, just curious as to when you were at Ft. Hood?
          You actually went into much more detail than I was interested in providing, but your accuracy is without question.

    • politicalmoxie permalink
      November 6, 2009 8:58 am

      @ Chris

      His cousin did express the family’s grief for those killed/ hurt and he acknowledged the suffering of all the relatives of his cousins victims.

      • David Forsmark permalink
        November 6, 2009 9:57 am

        I agree. He sounded pretty shaken up. We need to remember that ordinary people don’t always say precisely what they would like to say when thrust onto the public stage. He probably wishes he hadn’t called his cousin a “good American” 3 or 4 times, too, but meant to say we thought he was.

  9. j c original permalink
    November 6, 2009 3:31 am

    Is this a Hate Crime, of course it is but watch the East Coast media spin this so much, silk will appear. What this Palestine Muslim did was the same as loading up with bombs and going into a crowded area. Congress should stop the stupid health tax scam and investigate why this government bases everything on political correctness. Will the Liberals learn anything from this religion of peace, no they will turn the other cheek, and get a knife in the back. Liberals don’t care because they don’t serve. Wise up, you idiots.

  10. Freeme permalink
    November 6, 2009 3:39 am

    He is a PSYCHIATRIST…so let’s call it what it is, OK? a man whose first and main duty is to DRUG PEOPLE UP and bring them DOWN TO NUMB AND DUMB! They KNOW what they are doing to people yet HAVE NO CLUE how to deliver real ‘HELP’. He got away with too many crimes WITHOUT BEING CAUGHT, and just like any other criminal, he kept going until his mind blew out of control, regardless of being Muslim (if he is).

    • Sam Deakins permalink
      November 6, 2009 3:52 am

      Dude, the religionists of Peace and the politically correct behavior of the US Army bear great responsibility for this tragedy.

  11. David Forsmark permalink
    November 6, 2009 5:55 am

    Okay, everyone, the point isn’t that we KNOW this to be the case, the point is that we have MORE EVIDENCE that this is an ideological murder than that it was “second hand PTSD” (since second hand PTSD is likely a myth on the level of second hand smoke.”) and that the media is taking great pains to avoid this angle of inquiry.

    The most obvious examples are when they name other incidents, and rattle off another Muslim name or two, but act as though they just read off John Smith, Larry Jones…

    • David Forsmark permalink
      November 7, 2009 7:47 pm

      Obviously, we know a lot more now than we did when I wrote this comment– unless you work for MSNBC, that is.

    • November 8, 2009 3:54 pm

      “since second hand PTSD is likely a myth on the level of second hand smoke.”

      Sorry to divert the thread but, is this statement a quote? If not can you expand on it a bit fro me?

      “Second hand smoke” can refer to anything from that nasty smell when people pass an office building courtyard to a waitress who works in a small bar that is always filled with smoke to a 4 year old in a closed Prius with two parents puffing away.

      I certainly hope you are referring to over-concern about the first, and not the reality of toxic exposure in the others.

      I did not start smoking at the late age of 24 because of peer pressure or advertising. I started because all of my college friends that year smoked, and after a couple of semesters whever they lit up I got an effect. Then I got cravings. Then I asked for a drag. Then I bought my first pack.

      20 years later I finally quit something I never wanted to start in the first place.

      As to that kid in the Prius, if parents filled the air in the car with anything equivalently toxic to nicotine that was NOT sanctioned by tradition and Big Bu$ine$$ they would be convicted of child abuse.

      Thank you.

      You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming on the insane PC responses by the media to the “plight” of Maj. Hasan.

  12. John Davidson permalink
    November 6, 2009 6:43 am

    It is okay to deem Republicans extremist, but not okay to address the Muslim problem that advocates the death of non-believers.

    Mr. Olberman is desparately appealling to a radical base that now, most realize have aligned themselves with psychotics from the past whose doctrines have caused more harm than good.

  13. David Forsmark permalink
    November 6, 2009 6:58 am

    Not to say “I told you so,” but check out Media Research Council’s blog with ABC’s Martha Raditz saying “I wish his name was Smith.”

    • phil permalink
      November 9, 2009 9:56 pm

      if his name was Smith, he’d still be a muslim terorist, no? 🙂

  14. David Forsmark permalink
    November 6, 2009 7:14 am

    Cliff van Zandt was just on MSNBC again and said that Hasan had a duty to the United States, but felt conflicted by his duty to his religion and chose his religion. That he was not going to help a war effort where Muslims would be killed. Dylan Rattigan changed the subject so quickly it made him stutter.

    • John Davidson permalink
      November 6, 2009 7:52 am

      Those idiots at MSNBC retionize killing soldiers and wonder why their ratings are crashing. They’ve lost their minds is about all one can say and be printable.

  15. Julie West permalink
    November 7, 2009 3:14 am

    first a 911 story backfired when all american forces and Norad were unable to prevent a few arab students to fly planes into NYC.

    Then the students were found alive then who were the real pilots???

    Now this story just before muslim Hajj, timed to get attention and a single man shoots over 40 combat troops

    If one muslim is equal to 40 then vacate America there are a billion of them

    • David Forsmark permalink
      November 7, 2009 5:48 am

      It’s pretty cool that NewReal is read on other planets, isn’t it?

  16. November 7, 2009 3:49 am

    Come on you guys – you need to learn more about Islam! If you read the Hadith’s you will find there were not 72 Virgins but 100 (fact) 72 are young maidens, but what most of them blow themselves up for are the 28 young Male virgins they are promised also!
    Islam is the Death Cult of Satan! There is no “Allah” – the insane Muhammed, rife with syphilis and every other disease of the deprived and depraved, heard from the voice of none other than Satan the Master deceiver himself. It is a simple process to prove that “Allah” is Satan and that the followers of Islam worship only Satan and his demons, and that is why the Jihadist’s are such fanatics – they are possessed by demons, hence the killing spree’s, the beheadings (of which there will be millions more before the One True Messiah returns!!).

  17. Jack Peek permalink
    November 7, 2009 9:02 am

    For God’s sake…will someone report that this isn’t the first attack, it’s the second.

    In Kuwait, just before we went north to Bagdad, another “Muslim” who attacked soldiers in a tent. HELLO!!

  18. No Dhimmi permalink
    November 7, 2009 10:13 am

    I am a REAL sufferer from post-traumatic stress disorder brought on by years of directly experienced stress, including death threats by a violent schizophrenic who eventually abducted my small son. Yet, I NEVER even thought of committing mass murder.

    I REALLY resent all this trashy psychobabble defending this DEVOUT MUSLIM TERRORIST JIHADI’s vile behavior IN THE NAME OF ISLAM.

    Everyone is so quick to smooch Muslim arse, completely neglecting the VICTIMS and their families.

    Absolutely disgusting.

  19. Conservadude permalink
    November 12, 2009 9:03 am

    There are actually 138 virginis, if I’m not mistaken. Of course, they didn’t have telescopes back then. Besides, Muhammed is as fictional, or at least as embelished a story as that of Jesus.

  20. William James Ward permalink
    November 17, 2009 6:18 pm

    A worrying thought this brings to mind is not that this man snaped,
    or had any great inner turmoil, it is that he arrived at a place
    in a time where he could carry out an act which would be visible
    world wide, promoting jihad. My take is that Hasan and many like him
    who are here possibly from birth,will act out and his act is one
    of more to come. The Islamist colonists will be moving en masse soon
    enough, that is a very disturbing thought. Are Americans ready for
    this type of catastrophy. I am not an alarmist but it may be late in
    the day to tighten up security. During World War II the home guard
    was ready for most eventualities, how does our homeland security
    measure up? Considering the leadership we have and the way things
    are unfolding it may a good idea to see what is going on at the
    American Legion and VFW. I hope I live long enough to see the day
    when America cleans itself up.

    • Marylou permalink
      November 19, 2009 11:48 pm

      I’m with you. Why aren’t our military guards at least armed? at all times, on all bases? I mean, isn’t that what they do? guard?

      I too hope I live to see the day of the great turn-around of this nation. Sadly, we are up against a formidable machine. However, it seems God has shown amazing events at just the very last minute over and over again in our history that saved us, preserved us and protected us, depending on which version of history you read, of course.

  21. Dream Killer permalink
    November 25, 2009 7:45 am

    You know if this had been an ABORTIONIST killed by a guy who just simply OWNED a Bible…. Welll….. THAT would’ve been a different story! We would’ve heard NOTHING except, “hate crime, hate crime, hate crime…” This is a nation of not only hypocrites but limp-wristed ones as well…

  22. Bernadette permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:43 am

    Sadly, I know people actively involved in the military and it is infested with political correctness. “Diversity” trumps intelligence, skill, bravery, allegiance, experience…. It’s time we all start making noise about political correctness — it’s lies to protect liberals’ feelings.

    • Dream Killer permalink
      November 25, 2009 2:53 pm

      I couldn’t agree more…. I contend “liberalism” is a mental illness that presents a constellation of symptoms. Among them include, but are not limited to the following: evasiveness, belief that crimes against nature are somehow “ok”, murder (death of the innocent – abortion), underneath the calmest of their exteriors lies a bewildering and unfocused rage, being “meely-mouthed” and others. Sadly, no amount of truth succeeds in prevailing upon their fixations and delusions. They refuse to allow the truth to get in the way of their machinations.

      Being “politically correct” means simply to stand for nothing except moral turpitude or worse, and it’s been rotting this country away from the inside, which is probably their ulterior motive anyway! Machiavelli couldn’t have set it up any better!

      • Dream Killer permalink
        November 26, 2009 7:05 pm


        Last overlooked salient point I wished to broach in the above outline of our position statement was to add the following: we wish to add to the above. this added position staement above which I’d like to have posted along with the above and either have intergraded (copy and paste) or include as an inclusive Addendum.

        This position statement is:
        It is this belief that “liberalism” both encourages and incurs God’s Wrath.

        Postivie Statement:

        Is is this found belief that nothing changes that ultimately force spurring the actions necesary to change because when nothing changes (for the better)thatt is the drive to change becuase that conditions have only prevailed because good people never did anything to turn that influence back. Now, the shame and denigration from these lifestyle forces that many now are so revolted by the outcome of that travesty of a dynamc that now people can no longer face the degree of their own lack of moral fortitude that they would now , having it shown to hem perhaps bluntly, but direct in a way that is undeniable. Hence to thope for victory, this gold new approach have the powerful potential to open the door to the solutions of the problem in a way unheretofore attempted. Assuming that the product of this will be a societal significant increase of those whoud could shape this back back into what the Founding Fathers built this country on. The more numbers promulgating such blief structures no doubtedly would have a great, and I belief extremely positive impact on society.

        Kindest Regards,
        Kevin Stewart
        ThunderStone Enterprises

  23. December 3, 2009 6:33 am

    Sad Note: Looks like the Muslim Maniac from Fort Hood infamy, namely Malik Nadal Hasan will have to CRAWL all the way to hell to claim his “Virgins”. What a whacked out religion. Whew!!
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