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From the Pen of David Horowitz: November 9, 2009

November 9, 2009

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Van Bakel: It’s hard to think of Islamic terrorists as being on the left in the first place. These people have mindsets that are straight from the Middle Ages. They abhor all the freedoms that the American Left, for better or for worse, has fought for, from abortion to equal rights for women, from separation of church and state to freedom of speech. Pundits on the right habitually call extremist Arabs ‘Islamo-fascists,’ which is an apt enough label, one that I’ve frequently used myself. But you can’t have it both ways. If animals like Atta are on the extreme left, can they also be on the extreme right?

Horowitz: My entire book Unholy Alliance:Radical Islam and the American Left is addressed to this question. If leftists are, as you say, for human rights and the Islamo-fascist enemy is Medieval and, well, fascist, then how come the American left went out in force to save Saddam’s bacon? The gravamen of my book which contains a long section called “The Mind of the Left” is that the way to look at the modern left is not through its positive agendas. The left hasn’t had a coherent unifying agenda since the death of Stalinism in 1956. What unifies the left is its anti-Americanism and anti-Israelism, its determination to carry out the destructive part of the revolutionary agenda – bring the mother down, without bothering about what will come next.

What the modern left shares with Islamic radicals is a negative vision: America as the Great Satan, the root of all evil. In the eyes of the Left, America is the guardian of private property everywhere – “globalization” and this has been regarded by leftists as the root of all evil since Rousseau identified it as such. Both Islamicists and leftists have a fantastic vision of the utopian future when the beast is slain. For the Islamicists like Zarqawi this redemptive future is the garden of Allah and 72 virgins; for leftists like Katrina Van Den Heuvel it is “social justice.” For both, the path to an earthly paradise is through the destruction of the Great Satan — which is us.

Why Zarqawi and Katrina vanden Heuvel?

Today’s quote of the day was selected as an answer to this blog here which claims that Horowitz’s argument of an unholy alliance is “hateful.” The pretentiously-titled blog — Chasing Evil — discredits itself when it opens the post stating, “There is no difference between these guys [Horowitz] and terrorists to me.”

Read the book before you dismiss the argument. When I was a leftist I had a hard time with Horowitz’s thesis here. Then I put my emotional objections aside and just dealt with the arguments. Eventually I accepted that he was right.

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16 Comments
  1. Brad Lytle permalink
    November 9, 2009 6:14 am

    Misguided folks, like Katrina Van Den Heuvel, are sawing off the branch upon which they sit. The freedoms allowed to us all, to advocate as we like, for the most part, will fade with the demise of the US.

  2. Jeremy permalink
    November 9, 2009 6:57 am

    I don’t see either side being right we their statements. I don’t think Horowitz’s argument is hateful, but at the same time I don’t see how one can lump Islamic Fascists with the Left. Maybe in some cases as David has pointed out, but in all it is a much larger and more complicated picture… one that makes the Left and the Right look like the Great Satan for their collective basket of willful ignorance.

    Why does everyone look past who is funding most terrorism and dumb the issue down to a Left / Right debate?

    There is obviously a battle between the Left and Right here in America and worldwide for that matter, but if people could ignore that distraction for a moment they might see that our CIA is continuing to fund terrorism worldwide as it claims to be keeping us safer.

    I hear a lot about protecting Israel and not allowing the Left to make changes that would endanger her, but what about all of the money and weapons funneled to anti-Israeli terrorist groups over the years by Conservative and Liberal administrations?

    • Walt permalink
      November 9, 2009 6:44 pm

      Yes, everything is everything and you are all bad little boys and girls? Is this the extent of your analysis? You may want to actually read something, rather than using your elementary school experiences as a template for everything.

      • Jeremy permalink
        November 10, 2009 8:43 am

        Walt,

        “Yes, everything is everything and you are all bad little boys and girls? Is this the extent of your analysis?”

        Not even close… I don’t even know how you came up with that.

        “You may want to actually read something, rather than using your elementary school experiences as a template for everything.”

        That’s funny… I don’t remember learning about the CIA and other corrupt elements of our government funding terrorism and extremism worldwide in elementary school. I had to look elsewhere for that… like books a.k.a. reading.

        Anyway, looking past the unclear response to me… I think “SanePerson” said it best with “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” (radical left embracing radical Islam)”… that’s the true point of the article in my opinion. I was just interjecting that there is actually direct support of radical Islam coming from our own government that goes way beyond the “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” frame of logic.

        You can do a Google News search for Jundallah (or Jundullah) and find a plethora of articles about how our government is supporting this radical Al-Qaeda linked group in order to destabilize Iran, for example. Is supporting groups linked to Al-Qaeda really going to make us safer in the long run regardless of how it affects Iran in the short term? We can’t support evil to stop another evil, so “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” doesn’t sit with me too well when applied to the actions of the CIA and the their own term “blowback”.

  3. John Davidson permalink
    November 9, 2009 8:29 am

    The idea of presenting two points of views for the human mind to digest and sort out for himself the actual circumstances those viewpoints have in relation to his wellbeing, unfortunately, not for the wellbeing of others.

    Many of us spend an inordinate amount of time writing comments to various articles and wonder if we are wasting our time or that other commentators even considered the other point of view rationally.

  4. Jon White permalink
    November 9, 2009 8:36 am

    David Horowitz’ journey from leftist to conservative resonates with me because I have traveled a somewhat similart path as a baby-booming high schooler in the latter 1960’s. After having gone along with the nice-sounding slogans of the left in that period, I found myself in the late 1970’s repenting at my leisure what I previously had advocated in my youthful haste and willful blindness to be part of “what was happening.” May today’s youth successfully resist today’s siren song of “belonging to the in-group” when the price of admision is the surrender of personal honesty, integrity, individuality, and goodness.

  5. semus permalink
    November 9, 2009 8:50 am

    Jeremy

    I find your comments very troubling. I don’t think your generalizations are appropriate. The true nature of the left is well documented, but you’ll have to dig up the information yourself because it’s not covered in the schools we attend. Key quotes by Nikita Krushchev are very telling. I don’t know if you realize how many innocent people died as a direct result of the communist movement, and their tinkering with human nature. Mao Tse-Tung alone has had as many as 70 million deaths attributed to him. The Communist movement is the foundation of the left, and Mao Tse-Tung is one of their hero’s and apparently he’s a hero to many in this administration.
    The hard left the true fellow travelers not the gullible dummies support the Muslim murderers because it’s expedient to do so, it facilitates the anarchy required for them to gain a foothold, they’re after all nihilist at heart, just as the anarchists were in the late 1800 and early 1900 hundreds . The relationship between the left and Islam would never be a lasting one. Yasser Arafat for example wasn’t trained by the KGB, because they loved Islam. Arafat was a tool that played on the ignorance. hatred, and stupidity of his own people, which as it happens is the SOP of the hard left.
    Check out a book called “The Black Book of Communism”, read “Anthem” or anything by Ayn Rand, she writes about the the dangers of collectivism, this is just for starters.

    Jeremy these aren’t nice people, they can’t afford to be, they have to create heaven on earth by any means necessary.

    • Jeremy permalink
      November 9, 2009 1:00 pm

      Semus,

      I see your points and I don’t disagree… my comments are troubling. Does that make them untrue though? I also appreciate your historical references… can’t disagree there either.

      So, what did I say that wasn’t appropriate to you?

      My general stance is to look past the Left / Right debate where possible and instead focus on broader issues that I believe are clouded otherwise.

      Islamic radicals continue to receive funding from our CIA and other agencies while the people continue the debate over Left and Right for the most part. Sure it’s important to a degree, but regardless of what side is in power we still have the CIA running wild… neither side is looking into some of the main causes of the problems that we are battling.

      We as a nation (regardless of Left or Right) cannot say the we are committed to fighting terrorism if we ignore that our own government is funding it (it kills me to say that by the way). I feel it would be much easier to debate and analyze different ideals if we could first denounce some of the horrible things the CIA has done in the name of America… I don’t see how either side could support their actions once one is really informed.

      That’s really all I can say about that without changing the entire topic of the discussion and article.

      • semus permalink
        November 9, 2009 6:53 pm

        It’s not appropriate to place the left and the right on equal moral grounds there is no comparison. You talk about left and the right as though they were simply 2 sides to same coin, that isn’t true. The true left wasn’t anti war, when they protested the War in Vietnam they didn’t want peace, they wanted America to lose. If you don’t believe me, ask people who were involved. I’ve read their writings. Read some of David Horowitz books, he was a leader in the communist movement in the 60’s, he’s not a communist anymore and he’s written why he isn’t. The lefts mindset is the same now as it was then.

        You wrote:

        “We as a nation (regardless of Left or Right) cannot say the we are committed to fighting terrorism if we ignore that our own government is funding it (it kills me to say that by the way).”

        I’ve no details what case you’re talking about. but I might ask you, where did you get your information? Did you check your sources? Were these undercover operations of some kind? If so what was the goal? Do you know the whole story? There are a lot of gray areas, it wouldn’t be wise jump to conclusions without all the information. Someone may be trying to influence you with partial information.

        Your mistaken if you think the left has any interest in fighting the Islamic murderers, their enemy is the USA and they’ll use any means to fight that’s available, including terrorists.

        Check out the books I mentioned in my my first reply. Krushchev, made a statement once about infiltrating every institution in this country, they’ve had some success at this, probably the most important of those is our education system, from K through College, it’s easy to mold eager young minds.

        I gotta go take care and thanks for the response.

        • semus permalink
          November 9, 2009 7:00 pm

          One more thing, Jeremy

          We’re not perfect but we’re the good guys.

        • Jeremy permalink
          November 10, 2009 9:00 am

          Semus,

          You said:

          “It’s not appropriate to place the left and the right on equal moral grounds there is no comparison. You talk about left and the right as though they were simply 2 sides to same coin, that isn’t true.”

          I agree in a worldwide sense, but not when applied to the United States (Democrats and Republicans) and the path we have been going down at various speeds and slightly changing directions… Globalism. Obama’s got the pedal to the metal now though… hold on!

          Heh, anyway… you make some great points.

          You also said this in reference to the U.S. government funding terrorism:

          “I’ve no details what case you’re talking about. but I might ask you, where did you get your information?”

          I will provide sources and links on a more appropriate article… perhaps on something about the Fort Hood monster.

  6. SanePerson permalink
    November 9, 2009 9:40 am

    D. Horowitz was answering a commonly asked question, he wasn’t getting into the complexities of funding and greedy alliances. I think he’s saying, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” (radical left embracing radical Islam). Both groups favor totalitarianism and dictatorships.

    • November 9, 2009 11:12 am

      Bingo SaneOne!

      The hard Left leadership does not really care about actual abuses of “human rights” unless they can be used to further the agenda of destroying Western institutions. Hence Israel is conducting “genocide” but Darfur and Rwanda are unfortunate victims of the “legacy of colonialism”.

      I could see that as a kid looking at the withdrawl from Vietnam. I saw it in the 80’s with pro-choice leaders who could not even admit the possibility of people abusing the right to abortion. I have seen it in the neglect of Darfur and other atrocities that were deemed “inconsequential” to the movement’s goals. Now, we see it regarding Ft. Hood.

      It is time to take the idea of “equality under the law” seriously and stop discriminating FOR ANY REASON in ANY DIRECTION!

      Let’s stop the madness now!
      http://hereticscrusade.blogspot.com/2009/11/ft-hood-massacre-no-fault-treason-pc.html

  7. Kenneth Hall permalink
    November 9, 2009 11:37 am

    I’ll try this again my last reply didn’t get posted!
    Not sure if I screwed up or someone isn’t letting me participate in the discussion!
    Like the Various Churches I attended for over 25 Yrs.

    You speak of the millions murdered by people imposing their Religion on others.
    You could include self proclaimed Christian churches in that bunch as well.
    Or how about the 40 – 60 Million Babies we’ve murdered here thanks to leftist churches and Secularism.

    See if Evolution is a fact the NAZI we’re right there is bound to be genetically deficient people and while I don’t believe you can select them by race!

    It is clear from a purely Logical stand point the perpetuation of the Genetic deficiencies reduces the chances of the continuation of Mankind!

    So to try to reduce or bread out these deficiencies you would need to mingle groups with one group of those with Genetic traits with groups with others.

    Select the purest products and perpetuate them!
    For Mankind’s good of coarse!

    But Evolution hasn’t provided a sound basis on which to build a Utopian society has it?
    Not to mention it has to keep evolving as we discover more about the universe and how its infinite complexities to keep from becoming extinct itself!

    SO now we can site all the major religions, Evolution, Secularism which was the basis for the NAZI, and Communist ideology as having perpetrated horific suffering on Man!

    However as I mentioned before in the case of Christianity it was those pretenders using it as a mask who perpetrated the suffering.
    Not a fundamental tenant of the Ideology.
    Some would argue the same of Islam or other religions.
    Considerably more difficult to make that argument from what I’ve read of the Koran. But I would at least have to here the argument before dismissing it as Bogus!
    Such is not the case with Evolution or Secularism as the end result of the basis for those philosophies leads to Totalitarianism, or Mob control! AS History has demonstrated over and over again in our lifetime!
    Don’t forget Insanity is to keep on doing the same foolish things expecting better results!

    Our founders which I’m beginning to feel aren’t respected much here didn’t believe in Evolution.

    Which is why the Declaration of Independence states! ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL!
    CREATED REMEMBER!
    With inalienable rights given by who? GOD!

    This fundamental truth disallows anyone else from taking these rights for any reason including the “betterment” of mankind!

    However not listed is the right to take those same rights away from anyone else!
    To attempt to do so forfeits your own rights!

    SO tell me where is the Babies right to Life, Liberty, or the pursuit of Happiness!
    Instead someone else is given the right by the state to stick scissors in it’s head as it’s being born and suck it’s brains out with a tube!
    Or burn it alive in it’s mothers womb!
    Is this a right provided by GOD?
    Where does the constitution grant this right to the state to delegate it to others?
    Who in their right mind can be proud of fighting to grant this right to anyone?

    Then you wonder why it’s coming back on you?
    “What a man sows that shall He also reap Pressed Down and Running over shall men give unto you!”

    As the bible says there is nothing new under the sun!
    All the Progressive, or Liberal ideas are old recycled ideas from before Jesus time even. They failed miserably as they are beginning to destroy the societies that live by them now!

  8. Eugene Veklerov permalink
    November 9, 2009 6:30 pm

    I believe that the extreme left is not too far away from the extreme right. Here is a case in point. It is hard to imagine someone to the right of David Duke, a former KKK Grand Wizard and a staunch anti-Communist. The Russian General Albert Makashov is less known in the US, so let me introduce him. He is an unrepentant Communist, a big fan of Stalin and a leader of the hard-line Communist faction in the Duma, the Russian parliament. He supported the abortive coup against Gorbachev by Communist hardliners in 1991. In 1993, Makashov was a leader of an unsuccessful uprising against Boris Yeltsin. When the rebellion was crushed, Makashov was arrested and jailed, but granted amnesty in 1994.

    Makashov is as far to the left as Duke is to the right. And yet, the two opposite ends of the ideological spectrum had a cordial meeting in 1999. According to the Russian newspaper Zavtra (Tomorrow), they openly proclaimed mutual admiration for each other’s vigilance against a common enemy – the Jews. It was covered by Zavtra under the headline “Duke to Makashov – ‘We are Brothers in Arms.’” Apparently, their antisemitism trumped everything else.

    • Walt permalink
      November 9, 2009 6:54 pm

      Actually, Duke and Makashov are objectively Nationalist Socialists in their viewpoint. Such people are neither traditionalist or libertarian in their perspective. Duke, Makashov, and others of their persuasion look at race, rather than class as a defining center of their ideology. National Socialism is not an ideology that any proper conservative would support, since it is in fact a variant of the left.

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