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MSNBC Promotes Crackpot Theory that Christianty Caused Economic Crash

November 13, 2009

How much does one have to hate Christianity in order to blame this guy for the economic meltdown?

In what is either a curious coincidence or a planned attack, MSNBC‘s “Morning Joe” spent two entire segments ridiculing Christians. Does one wonder why the leftist network categorically refuses to do the same with fundamentalist Muslims?

First, MSNBC host Willie Geist went after Governor Sarah Palin and Carrie Prejean. Especially the latter was singled out because of her outspoken religious views. For example, at the very moment Geist mentioned the word “Christianity,” his producers immediately showed a video of Prejean walking around in a bikini during a pageant. The message they tried to sent was clear: “she says she’s a Christian but she walks around like a slut. The hypocrite.”

Apparently unsure of whether the anti-Christianity agenda of his network was obvious enough to the viewer, he proceeded to selectively quote from an interview Prejean did with “Christianity Today” Magazine. The magazine asked her about breast implants and Christianity. While Prejean’s answer (“I don’t see anywhere in the Bible where it says you shouldn’t get breast implants”) was obviously stupid, it is rather noteworthy that Geist has yet to respond sarcastically (“that’s right Carrie, you show me where it says you can’t get breast implants!”) to silly remarks made by adherents to other religions.

Next, “Morning Joe” hosts Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough tried to discredit famous preachers like Joel Osteen. They invited Hanna Rosin, editor of the leftist The Atlantic on the show to talk about her latest article called “Did Christianity Cause the Crash?” Yes, really – that is the name of the article.

Scarborough called it “provocative,” which is a tremendous understatement, considering the fact that she calls Osteen’s brand of Christianity, a theology “of death” and worse. Not greedy bankers, or government interference, or other causes, or a mixture of them, are responsible for the economic crisis. No, Joel Osteen is, says Rosin. Add to that that Osteen’s brand of Christianity smeared is as “Prosperity Gospel” on the “Morning Joe” website, and it should be clear to all that MSNBC’s anti-Christian agenda continues unabated.

While there is nothing wrong with satire as such, MSNBC’s double standard is both startling and infuriating. If  you criticize individuals for being religious, don’t discriminate between different religions. Why is it that “Morning Joe” doesn’t spend any time and attention to the problem that exists with Muslim fundamentalists, for instance? These individuals do everything they can to spread their ideology of hatred in the West. It is this ideology – Islamo-Fascism or Islamic Extremism – that is responsible for both 9/11 and the recent attack on Fort Hood. It has made many more victims than Osteen’s “prosperity gospel.” It’s worth pointing that out, if you’re a news channel, wouldn’t you say?

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36 Comments
  1. November 13, 2009 12:08 pm

    As a staunch conservative and serious Christian, I have to say that I find Joel Osteen’s brand of Christianity completely repugnant. I agree that he preaches a “gospel” of prosperity and I am second to no leftist in my disdain for him.

    To say that he’s responsible for the crisis is over the top, but I don’t think conservative Christians do well to defend that guy.

    • F. Swemson permalink
      November 13, 2009 4:01 pm

      There’s only one true cause of the crash, and that’s our corrupt and morally bankrupt government’s constant meddling with the free market economy.

      They’ll look for anyone and everything to try to put the blame on, and it’s all just a big lie.

      If we don’t rid our government of these vermin soon, America as we know it will cease to exist.

      • Joseph White permalink
        November 14, 2009 8:09 am

        Right on S. You and I know it was the government intervention that caused this year long recession, not the fact that someone may believe in God or not.

        It’s just the thinking of the left, a thinking that comes down on what made this country great, namely the freedom of thought and religion, instead of coming down on corruption, which is the real thief in this saga.

        It’s only going to get worse, when the new healthcare bill passes, if it does. There will be no wages to bring home, and people will spend time in jail, for doing nothing more than refusing to go on the government dole.

        • F. Swemson permalink
          November 15, 2009 8:43 am

          Joe…

          That’s it !

          I don’t know why I never saw it before, but you just put your finger on the secret of the Obamunist economic recovery…

          He’s going to put 5 million people to work building and staffing new prisons all around the country to house all the people who are going to tell him to go %#$@ himself when he ORDERS them to buy his health insurance.

    • Chuck D permalink
      November 14, 2009 6:04 pm

      I am a Christian. Anyone can say that. The Gov. doesn’t make you take a test or get a license to make the claim. Olsteen’s messages are not in any way offensive, abusive, negative, or un-Biblical. And I am not sure that he is a Prosperity Preacher. I’ve never heard him say that you can get rich being a Christian.

      I think his message is mostly about using scripture as a guide to get through difficult times, either financially, emotionally, or physically. He points out that the truth of scripture is a source of emotional and spiritual strength and he encourages people to keep a positive attitude. He’s no Billy Graham, that’s for sure. I disagree with what he says from time to time, but I see no harm in his message.

      It’s not a theology of death. That’s ridiculous. He does not pretend to be a serious theologian. He provides practical advice, based on scripture, that’s all. I would never use him as a sole source of spiritual growth. And I agree that he does not do a good job preaching the Gospel. He hardly mentions it. But he doesn’t preach against the Gospel, either. There are a lot worse out there Joel Olsteen.

      Then there’s Imam in Indonesia who encourages his flock to cut the hands off anyone who disagrees with Islam. That’s one way to deter people from making fun of your religion.

  2. November 13, 2009 12:41 pm

    Well the reason they’re down on Christians but say nothing about Muslims is glaringly obvious. Muslims have a nasty habit of calling for violence towards their detractors. Christians, not so much.

    It’s a whole lot safer to trash on Christians because there will be no repercussions, at least not of the “they’re going to kill us” kind. Seems like self preservation is likely a big motivator here.

    Just ask Roland Emmerich:

    “Well, I wanted to do that, I have to admit,” Emmerich says. “But my co-writer Harald said I will not have a fatwa on my head because of a movie. And he was right. … We have to all … in the Western world … think about this. You can actually … let … Christian symbols fall apart, but if you would do this with [an] Arab symbol, you would have … a fatwa, and that sounds a little bit like what the state of this world is. So it’s just something which I kind of didn’t [think] was [an] important element, anyway, in the film, so I kind of left it out.”

    At least he was honest about it.

    • Jonathan permalink
      November 14, 2009 4:35 am

      You could be right about the motive. But I think it’s also likely that the Marxists and the Muslims are allies against the West. So why would the left do anything to damage the “enemy of my enemy?” This is glaringly obvious when you look at the wholesale assault on Western culture now underway everywhere around the world.

      What I find particularly disturbing is the left’s attitude toward Sharia Banking. If the Mohammedans are seeking to overturn the Western central banking system as a means of controlling the world economy – or at least as a means of ensuring a steady flow of vast wealth to jihadists arsenals – the Marxists seem to see no problem at all.

  3. November 13, 2009 12:53 pm

    Discrediting Christianity is, of course, another step in the “fundamental” changing of America. Religion is definitely not part of the final product.
    Muslims are a useful tool now, but will be thrown under the bus as soon as the usefulness wears off.

    • F. Swemson permalink
      November 13, 2009 1:24 pm

      Texmom;

      The far left may be using muslims as a tool now, but that’s because they’re too blind or stupid to understand that in the end, they’re the ones who’ll find themselves under the bus, as soon as the muslims start killing us all!

      • Cynthia Thornburg permalink
        November 13, 2009 3:11 pm

        I said exactly that a few days ago and was chastised by NewsReal!

        • John Davidson permalink
          November 13, 2009 9:20 pm

          Once in awhile, they spank someone, but times have changed in just a week, we’ve had enough politically correct usage by leftist buffoons meant to divert attention from the subject because the adjective didn’t fit the objective and an adverb was misplaced or followed a preposition with an exclamation point shoved you know where.

          Excuse me, I had a nightcap.

  4. Tim and Alissa Birkel permalink
    November 13, 2009 3:47 pm

    While we tend to disagree with Hanna Rosin on most things (see: her article titled The Case Against Breastfeeding from the April issue of the Atlantic, wherein she — a breastfeeding mother — states that formula is just as good as breastmilk and the health benefits of breastfeeding are overblown. Um, hypocrisy much?), Joel Osteen is one area where we can agree. While we don’t think he caused the economic crisis, what he preaches is indeed a theology of death and should not be confused for orthodox Christianity. The “health and wealth” “gospel” that Osteen and others preache sounds nice, but misses one really important aspect to Christianity — Jesus Christ and his death and resurrection.

    An attack on Joel Osteen is not necessarily an attack on Christianity.

    • Tim and Alissa Birkel permalink
      November 13, 2009 3:50 pm

      It’s not that Osteen (or Christians) is responsible for the economic collapse, but a Gospel that says “God wants you to have that house, have that car, have that boat…” can definitely lead people to make bad economic decisions and to get deeply into debt from which they cannot recover.

      • John Davidson permalink
        November 13, 2009 9:26 pm

        You’re not referring to the man in the White House, I hope. Alissa, did you write that?

  5. Anthony permalink
    November 13, 2009 4:35 pm

    While I have not watched Joel Osteen enough to label his philosophy a ‘prosperity gospel,’ I have noted that he promotes enthusiasm and a positive attitude.
    How someone can equate that with causing an economic crash is beyond me.
    Are Christians supposed to be sour, depressed people obsessed with the End Times? I am a Christian, and I am so happy at work they probably think I am self medicated.
    I sure have no problem ignoring the tripe coming from “PMSNBC” and suggest others do the same.

  6. Bramble permalink
    November 13, 2009 6:20 pm

    Did you know that overseas there are moslems who are claiming that Christians are bribing their people into becoming Chrisitians? They dispise the orphanages and feeding lines. They dispise the healing services… where moslem people get healed! By the Christian God! go figure. It takes money to run these programs. Digging wells and running medical facitlities in the underdeveloped reaches of the world is quite expensive. Churches who run these facilities do it for free, you see. Where do these organizations get their money? Soros? not quite. Osteen. yep.

  7. Louie723 permalink
    November 13, 2009 8:24 pm

    “what he preaches is indeed a theology of death”

    **

    What? Positive attitude and persistance are theology of death? Please.

    • November 13, 2009 9:47 pm

      Louie – the comment made about “theology of death”. What that means, that you are not SAVED by a positive attitude and persistance but only through the blood of Christ shed on the cross. I don’t believe the gospel is one of wealth and prosperity for all believers but listening to Mr. Olsteen, that is pretty much his message. We instead need to hear the gospel proclaimed loud and clear and the need to stand firm and perservere (sp?) in our faith. I much rather listen to Charles Stanley, the late D James Kennedy or R.C. Sproul than anything that Olsteen has to say.

      • Jonathan permalink
        November 14, 2009 4:50 am

        But the reason that THEY refer to it as a theology of death is because it extols yucky capitalism, and excessive greed and competition and to the exploitation of the proletariat.
        (At least the segment of the proletariat that doesn’t want to work for a living. )

        It leads to the hoarding of earth’s resources and to pollution and global warming and imperialism and war and homophobia and bans on abortion and all the other stuff leftists hate.

        Personally, I agree with your alternative definition of Osteen’s “gospel.” But you have to filter it through the original intent of the dope-smoking hippie Marxist commie traitor that uttered the propagandistic words of deception and misinformation. Filthy communist swine.

  8. Colette permalink
    November 13, 2009 10:26 pm

    YES, I agree that Islamo-Fascism or Islamic Extremism – that is responsible for both 9/11 and the recent attack on Fort Hood HAS made many more victims than Osteen’s “prosperity gospel.”

    What they have in common is that they are both frauds who gives people false hope in exchange for eternal salvation…both do not tell the truth and both will be punished by God for spreading false doctrine in the name of their own gods & agendas…

    There is only one true God, Jesus Christ!

    • Chuck D permalink
      November 14, 2009 6:22 pm

      You are wrong about Olsteen. You are right about the Gospel. Olsteen is not a real preacher in the strict sense of the word. At least to me he’s not a real preacher. He’s motivational speaker who also happens to be a Christian. He bases his motivational messages on Scripture and his own life experiences.

      He doesn’t say that following his teachings will lead you to eternal life. He doesn’t talk about the Gospel that I have heard, one way or the other. He has never said that following his teachings will get you a new car or riches. I think people should listen to him more before they go off the deep end. The thing I think he does so well is show people how to have a good attitude during life’s trials. He’s not a Polly Anna.

      You’re right in that if Olsteen was all that a Christian listened to, he would not grow spiritually. Because he would not understand that the point of being a Christian is to know God and enjoy him forever-not get a new dishwasher.

      But on the other hand, God made the world and all that is in it for his creatures to use and enjoy. So there has to be a balance.

      The funny thing is, I am really not a big fan of his. I just get tired of Christians cherry picking their own and tearing them apart. You know, Olsteen may be in error, he may be a bad preacher, but he’s not the source of theology of death. That is so extreme.

  9. Colette permalink
    November 13, 2009 10:28 pm

    BARBARA S. 🙂 thank you for telling the truth!

  10. Jonathan permalink
    November 14, 2009 4:45 am

    Noone need worry about Joel Osteen and the prosperity evangelists.

    Once the American economy collapses, what they preach will have very little “currency” anymore. No idea is more “bankrupt” than the idea of selling “prosperity as a sign of God’s love” to people who have little prosperity already. Suffering people want a message of hope for a better future. They don’t want to that poverty is an apparent sign of ignorance, punishment or a lack of faith.

    There are few if any prosperity preachers in third world countries. Only in the rich suburbs of the world, where the illusion can be manufactured that God makes his people rich as a matter of universal principle.

  11. November 14, 2009 5:41 am

    Osteen’s “brand of Christianity” is not any more valid an expression of the Christian faith than mormonism or other heresies. I get what you are trying to say here but lets not defend the heretical “prosperity gospel” in an effort to show unity against the secular Left. When it comes to the Gospel, enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend.

  12. zeke permalink
    November 14, 2009 6:56 am

    Prosperity is only part of what Joel Osteen preaches. If you actually listen him, his message is a message of hope rooted in Jesus Christ, with some motivational undertones to get people who are down back in the game. He is a wonderful preacher who spreads the good news and Christians should not blast him for it. He also reaches that God loves us and is in control which brings hope to thousands who need it.

    The attack on Christianity is just getting warmed up. Communism requires no religion and the commies are slithering out from under their rocks like we haven’t seen for some time, emboldened by the election of a Marxist president with a Marxist regime.

    • Chuck D permalink
      November 14, 2009 6:29 pm

      You are spot on, Zeke. I think Christians are their own worst enemy. Olsteen does not preach that being a good Christian equals prosperity. He is not a heretical, like Mormonism, or Jehovah Witness.

      He doesn’t go that deep. He has a simple positive, seeker friendly message. I think some Salem Witchcraft ancestors are still among us.

  13. John Davidson permalink
    November 14, 2009 10:02 am

    Selectivity abounds from a large volume of stories that occasionally contradict itself. That is why we have such a diversity of spinoff religions, but under the blanket of Crhistianity, we do reject those cults promoting harm under our banner. The Muslum community should follow that principle if they claim to be a religion.

    • Jonathan permalink
      November 14, 2009 11:26 am

      The Muslim community DOES do that. And they do it with much brutal efficiency. One can make no claims about the House of Peace if they fail to first affirm the zealous guardianship of Mohammed’s dogma by his followers.

      Or are you making the assertion that the militants are not bearers of the true faith?

      • John Davidson permalink
        November 15, 2009 9:31 am

        I am against any violent messures used to promote religion. It should not be mandated one way or the other. To me, that was the intent of our constitution.

  14. Michaelle Maloney permalink
    November 14, 2009 10:54 am

    What it boils down to is the Morning Joe has to find fault with christians because they are insecure people who have no values at all. Thus, they have to pick on christians that are human to make themselves feel better. Actually, they look like real idiots and need to point their fingers at themselves. Christ said he who is without sin cast the first stone? Im waiting for the Morning Joke to do this.

  15. Anthony permalink
    November 14, 2009 7:17 pm

    “I think Christians are their own worst enemy. Olsteen does not preach that being a good Christian equals prosperity. He is not a heretical, like Mormonism, or Jehovah Witness.”

    you were doing so well, too, until you walked off the cliff…
    This sentence shows why we are being torn apart by liberalism. Christians, no matter what they believe in, should be united against an obvious and dangerous enemy. Yet you take the time to slap at someone who you obviously don’t agree with.
    As a Latter-day Saint, I consider this an insult.
    Despite our differences, we should be working together against enemies who will not rest until we are ALL destroyed.

    • Jonathan permalink
      November 15, 2009 2:14 am

      You say: “This sentence shows why we are being torn apart by liberalism.”

      If by the word “liberalism” you mean the hyper-denominationalism and the total breakdown of orthodoxy and unity in the Protestant church of the West – especially in America – then I agree with you. Add on to that the delitrious effect of the schism between Rome and Protestants.

      But if you mean some force outside the church acting upon it to tear it apart, then I don’t.

      Christianity has lost the culture war in America and the West in general because it utterly failed to answer the threat in suitable ways. And by ignoring the war against cultural Marxism, Protestant Christianity – more than any other Western institution – is to blame for the impending disintegration of Western civilization. Christians have largely abandoned their metaphysical underpinnings under intense cultural pressure over 100 years, until now when I can barely tell them from the general population of leftists.

  16. Elaine B permalink
    November 15, 2009 8:17 pm

    Jonathan, I totally agree with your comment “Christianity has lost the culture war in America and the West in general because it utterly failed to answer the threat in suitable ways. And by ignoring the war against cultural Marxism, Protestant Christianity – more than any other Western institution – is to blame for the impending disintegration of Western civilization. Christians have largely abandoned their metaphysical underpinnings under intense cultural pressure over 100 years, until now when I can barely tell them from the general population of leftists.”

    In fact, the rise of the radical left would never have occurred without the support of Christians, many of whom are extreme radical leftists. The World Council of Churches and the U.S. Catholic Church members are mostly in this category.

    The majority in all Protestant denominations and the majority of Catholics have abandoned the true doctrines of Christianity and have joined themselves with the revolutionaries, secularists, and humanists in the false notion that man can perfect himself, that “social justice” is the Christian’s calling rather than salvation through Jesus Christ, and that the doctrines of Christianity may change as the norms of society change.

    Add to the mix the many Jews who have abandoned the tenets of the Jewish faith and we see why our culture is the way it is.

    • Jonathan permalink
      November 15, 2009 11:48 pm

      I offer this snippet of an essay written about the origins of cultural Marxism and political correctness. If ever a paragraph described the big leftist plan for America, this is it. And we’ve had warning after warning, prophet after prophet, for decades warning us about it:

      “Independently, two Marxist theorists, Antonio Gramsci in Italy and Georg Lukacs in Hungary, came to the same answer: Western culture and the Christian religion had so blinded the working class to its true, Marxist class interest that Communism was impossible in the West until both could be destroyed. In 1919, Lukacs asked, “Who will save us from Western civilization?” That same year, when he became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the short-lived Bolshevik Bela Kun government in Hungary, one of Lukacs’s first acts was to introduce sex education into Hungary’s public schools. He knew that if he could destroy the West’s traditional sexual morals, he would have taken a giant step toward destroying Western culture itself.”

      And by the way, there are no Christians who are leftists. But there are plenty of pseudo-Christians who are. One cannot be a Christian and a Marxist. It isn’t possible. To even assert otherwise is to betray oneself as a cultural Marxist.

  17. November 23, 2009 7:28 pm

    Christianity interpreted as too close to wealth is to say that the kingdom of God is somehow fused with the world–the religion loses its distinctiveness. I recommend the following post on the recent article in the Atlantic: http://deligentia.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/to-the-faithful-god-will-make-you-rich/

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