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Open Thread – Updated

November 15, 2009

White House gonna say THIS wasn't a bow, either?

Updated: What do the rest of the world’s leaders do in this situation?

  1. John Davidson permalink
    November 15, 2009 3:05 pm

    He’s good at bowing, isn’t he!

    • In the Know permalink
      November 16, 2009 2:05 pm

      Awe…give him a break. The dunce in chief fell for the old “you dropped your pocket” prank. Maybe it was updated to “you dropped your teleprompter” LOL or…ROR (raugh out roud).

  2. David Forsmark permalink
    November 15, 2009 3:32 pm

    Andrew Klavan pointed out to me that we should put this pic and the pic of what Obama does NOT salute together. Side by side, they are pretty devastating.

    • Harmon permalink
      November 15, 2009 8:54 pm

      Why not add a picture of President Bush kissing the Saudi Prince?

      • Curtis from Greenwood Lake permalink
        November 16, 2009 7:51 am


        Cute shot, but it didn’t work.

        The lip-kiss was not deliberate, and was a true mistake for both men.

        In most of the rest of the world, kissing the checks is a sign of warm greeting and mutual affection.
        In this country, we suffice same with a hand-shake or hug.

        And W did not bow, just as no other world leaders would do to each other – even Japan’s. The most you might see is a slight, acknowledging nod.
        Also, 43 would have at least had the brains not to shake hands during such – which made your Propagandor-in-Chief look even more out of his league.

        I can’t help wondering if Akihito is thinking to himself; “Man, what a brown-noser!”

        • Marylou permalink
          November 16, 2009 11:46 pm

          what lip kiss?

      • Brian permalink
        November 16, 2009 11:30 am

        What does Pres Bush have to do with this picture??? absolutely nothing!!

        Obama is a sheep, Prince of Bill Ayers !!

      • Marylou permalink
        November 16, 2009 11:48 pm

        OMG! I see it now.

  3. November 15, 2009 4:02 pm

    BO is totally lost.

  4. sean permalink
    November 15, 2009 4:15 pm

    you think this is to quell criticism of his spontaneous bow to the king of saudi arabia. his defenders can now say, look he bows to everyone.
    i realize he didnt bow to the queen of england but they don’t let facts get in the way of an excuse.
    everything he does is political.

  5. David Forsmark permalink
    November 15, 2009 4:18 pm

    Maybe he’s just telling all of us to assume the same position once health care and cap and trade are passed.

  6. John Davidson permalink
    November 15, 2009 5:40 pm

    If you can get one of him bowing to Ron Emanual in the oval office, that would be a scoop of Pulitzer proportions. I’m sure it happens, too.

  7. November 15, 2009 6:46 pm

    Here’s some ‘side by sides’ with a twist.

    • Marylou permalink
      November 15, 2009 9:20 pm

      Thank you. Is that crotch shot for real? How could that have happened? It must be a joke, right?

      • Marylou permalink
        November 15, 2009 9:28 pm

        OK I get it. It’s a twist at the end.


  8. "gunner" permalink
    November 16, 2009 5:21 am

    what crap is this? the president of the united states is a head of state and bows to no one!

    • Marylou permalink
      November 16, 2009 11:49 pm

      That’s what I always knew…B.O. Before Obama.

  9. shane comeback permalink
    November 16, 2009 6:12 am

    LOL thanks Steve.

  10. victor permalink
    November 16, 2009 6:13 am

    What do you expect from our Apologist in Chief?

  11. November 16, 2009 7:37 pm

    Doesn’t this man have advisers on international protocol? Doesn’t he get briefed on stuff? You know, I’m really beginning to doubt if Obama has any real smarts at all. Just a kid on a moped scooter who thinks he’s riding in the Superbike Championship. Vroom, vroom, Mr. President!

  12. David Forsmark permalink
    November 17, 2009 7:18 am

    From the Media Research Center this morning…

    ABC Omits Critics of Obama’s ‘Jarring and Inappropriate’ Bow; Sawyer Says Protocol ‘Too Confusing’

    ABC’s Good Morning America finally picked up on the deep bow President Obama performed for the Emperor of Japan over the weekend. Co-host Diane Sawyer ran through how other U.S. Presidents have greeted either Emperor Akhito or his father, the late Emperor Hirohito over the years — some bowing, some not. Sawyer claimed that Americans are “not trained to greet royalty” and “it’s just too confusing.”

    Actually, the government employs lots of experts on culture and protocol to make sure that our presidents are fully “trained” on what to do when they represent our government overseas — which is not to say that all of our presidents perform these duties flawlessly.

    Missing from Sawyer’s run-down is a tidbit that ABC White House correspondent Jake Tapper posted on his “Political Punch” blog Sunday afternoon. Tapper said he received a note from an old friend whom he described as “an academic with expertise about the Japanese Empire, and in general a supporter of President Obama.” According to this expert, it wasn’t necessarily incorrect for Obama to bow, but the President’s “forward lurch” was “jarring and inappropriate.”

    The expert described the bow as “in the form of a first year English teacher trying to impress with Karate Kid-level knowledge of Japanese customs. The bow as he performed did not just display weakness in Red State terms, but evoked weakness in Japanese terms.” He noted also that Japan’s Kyodo News emphasized footage of Obama’s more restrained bow to the Emperor’s wife, pictures that “show the president as dignified.”

    Here’s Sawyer on Monday morning’s Good Morning America, as transcribed by the MRC’s Scott Whitlock:

    DIANE SAWYER: And before we leave the topic of the president’s trip overseas I’ve often thought the hardest subject for every President, what do you do with royalty? We’re not trained to greet royalty since 1776. [Onscreen photo of Obama bowing.] The President, as we saw with the emperor, went the full way, lots of comment about that. But we look back over the years and you have, of course, George Bush, former president George Bush Sr. there, head nod. There was Ronald Reagan, hand shake. [Pictures appear onscreen.]

    ROBIN ROBERTS: Hand shake. That’s always good.

    SAWYER: Richard Nixon went from the waist [Nixon appears to be leaning in.] and Bill Clinton, what was that? [Picture of Clinton clasping his hands, could be clapping.] Kind of yoga thing there. Anyway who can blame them for not knowing what to do? Allegedly, Teddy Roosevelt said once “If I see another king I’m going to bite him.” It’s just too confusing when you’re American.

    That Teddy Roosevelt quote, by the way, came from a 1994 New York Times “Week in Review” item that made the rounds this weekend after Obama’s bow. If Sawyer read the whole item — related the controversy over then-President Clinton’s much milder bow before the Emperor — she would have learned that there’s not that much “confusion” over American protocol. According to the Times (then): “the ‘thou need not bow’ commandment from the State Department’s protocol office maintained a constancy of more than 200 years.”

    A Washington Post item from that same week (retrieved via Nexis) quoted Clinton’s top protocol officer talking about the arrangements for Emperor Akihito’s state visit to Washington: “‘Americans do not bow,’ said Chief of Protocol Molly Raiser. ‘The emperor is known to shake hands. This emperor is much more informal than his father was.’”

    Monday’s New York Times briefly mentioned the bow controversy, blaming it on the “conservative American bloggers” who critized Obama. “‘During his meetings and his speech in Tokyo, the President observed protocol and enhanced the status of American interests in Japan and across Asia,’ said an administration official traveling with the President, who spoke on the condition of anonymity according to protocol. ‘Those who suggest otherwise are way off base and only looking to score political points.'”

    —Rich Noyes is Research Director at the Media Research Center.

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