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MSNBC Covers the Poor Economy’s Symptoms and Consequences But Can’t Fathom the Causes

November 16, 2009
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(Nov 12 - MSNBC: Morning Meeting With Dylan Ratigan: States Slammed By Economy)

Plaudits to MSNBC’s, Dylan Ratigan, for covering a story that might have easily gone unnoticed during a week filled with a profusion of big news stories.  These stories include:

  • The mentally deranged, mass murderer of Fort Hood, which certain “fringe bigots” are trying to call an act of jihadist terrorism
  • The good Afghanistan War of  possibly, but possibly not, necessity
  • Congressman William Jefferson’s sentencing to 13 years in the slammer for glaciating 90K of fresh, green, U.S., cash hidden inside of pie crusts in his home freezer
  • The continued, strenuous, government, efforts to take-over the national healthcare insurance industry before 2010,
  • Attorney General Eric Holder announcing his (or somebody’s) decision to try five of the vilest, murdering,  Jihadist terrorists in world history in a NYC Federal court of law in lieu of an off continent, Military Tribunal
  • And of course the pronouncement of The First ‘Pacific’ President of America, off on his Asian tour, even as 60,000 U.S. soldiers are getting pummeled in that good war of possible necessity while awaiting the Pacific president’s decision whether or not he will provide additional troops.

Enough to make you forget about the stupid economy isn’t it?

Dylan’s Topic: Some states are in economic trouble and that probably means there are big opportunities for the GOP in 2010. Dylan’s guest, Congressman Charlie Bass (R- NH), an ousted incumbent himself, said of the current political landscape,

“I wouldn’t want to be an incumbent under any circumstances.”

I say, good point, Charlie, and good topic, Dylan. The segment focused on the small fact that one fifth of our states are sitting on the brink of economic collapse. So I did a little research and found that, curiously, nine of these ten troubled states voted our current president into office, mostly for economic reasons.

You’ll recall how in September of 2008, as the presidential campaign race was in the home-stretch, there was that sudden and surprising, but very fortunate, discovery in Washington DC of an economic Super-Crisis that would cause our nation, and perhaps the world, to plummet into the Biggest-Daddy of all depressions unless we immediately emptied out the treasury to save it all from inevitably happen in the following week – or so.

(You just gotta love and admire a Gotham City Government that saves planets from failed, greedy capitalism, and man-made global climate disasters, and stuff. But I digress.)

It was at that turning point the economy eclipsed all other issues and Obama, the Un-Bush, took his leap forward as the frontrunner in the race, which resulted in his resplendent presidential coronation. He would soon become (just give him a little time) the shining light himself, the smartest, most magnificent, wisest, magnanimous, illustrious president in America’s dark and shameful history. Said the Liberal media.

The American economy is in a recession. During his first 10 months in office, in order to stimulate the economy, President Obama spent more money than the previous 43 presidents – combined. Unemployment is now officially at 10.2%, and unofficially at 22%, even as several months ago, Mr. Obama reasoned that unless he spent those hundreds of billions of tax dollars, unemployment would possibly reach as high as 8%.  Today, the states in greatest peril of becoming fiscal Californias are Nevada, New Jersey, Illinois, Michigan, Oregon, Arizona, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, and Florida. With the exception of John McCain’s home state, Arizona, they’re all blue. One might say these are liberal states, which of course is true in the most subjugating sense of the word.

I couldn’t help but notice other curiosities about these suffering states. For example, did you know that New Jersey ranks as #1 in having the highest property taxes, and Wisconsin ranks 5th, Illinois 6th, and Rhode Island 8th? Indeed, if you group together these same Obama-voting states, currently in the economic latrine, they woefully rank in the top quartile of the highest property taxing states in the country. Again, with the exception of the fluky, red, Arizona state that voted for McCain. And, coincidentally, guess which states are projected to recover slowest among the 57, or however-many United States there are? Uh huh! Those same ten. Can you believe it?

It’s important for Americans to know that one fifth of the country’s states are facing bankruptcy. We appreciate the story, Dylan. Additionally, it is newsworthy that the incumbents stand to be losers, and the GOP stands to gain seats in those states. But why stop at symptoms and consequences? Why not mention causes? Would it not be newsworthy and important to America, particularly the citizens of the states in peril, to help through some investigative journalism (like Google) and connect a few dots, show a few comparisons and disparities?  May I suggest helping to enlighten the public about the Orwellian use of the word, Liberal, and show your viewers how there is a direct connection between Liberal Leaders of Liberal states and high taxes, big spending, big government, and the futility of fiscal health by the use of the Liberal formula ?

I’m just thinking here, Mr. Ratigan.

Jobs for Americans: Which states will take longest to rebound?

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Presidential Election Results

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This graph from today’s New York Times is also relevant:

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31 Comments
  1. In the Know permalink
    November 16, 2009 2:19 pm

    LOVE the last chart. Your argument may be lost on Kool-aide addicts, too many facts.

    • Nick Chagouris permalink
      November 17, 2009 12:42 am

      So true. But as I replied to another commentor, sometimes singing to the choir has a special value. With hard facts on our side, we might move forward together with confidence. (I’m beginning to vaguely hear the beat of Tchaikovsky March.) Those who are “in-the-know” are the ones others rally around. And we can only know with facts.

      Good point you make, and much appreciated my friend.
      Thank you!

  2. Chasworks permalink
    November 16, 2009 5:51 pm

    Excellent analysis. Let us hope from this that these bankrupt states will come out of the “Obama” fog and see the light instead of playing in the delusion. It’s simple math. If taxes do not get cut soon, no one will have any money to hire! Banking on inflation is not a good plan. I’m in hopes that the current plan of higher taxes + inflation will wake these people up. Obama voters need to say to themselves, wow…I made a mistake voting for this. Life if full of learning from mistakes, it’s what you do with them that counts. They can do this in 2010 and 2012. Perhaps Nick, the eastern seaboard will get it. Perhaps California will wake again. Geez, send us another Reagan. The country will be at an all time low within a year or two like we were during Carter Administration. Good you pointed out that those with the highest property taxes are in trouble. Thank God for Texas huh! 🙂

    • Nick Chagouris permalink
      November 17, 2009 12:45 am

      YES! Thank God for Texas – and to hell with taxes.

      Thanks for your reply!

  3. November 16, 2009 6:44 pm

    The author’s term “economic latrine” will forever be embedded in my mind! Perhaps it can be used by the GOP in 2010 and 2012 campaign ads…

    A great article, and a reminder to all: demand that the news media dig deeper and cover the “whys” behind the “whats.”

    • November 16, 2009 6:51 pm

      I don’t think demanding the news media dig deeper will really do that much good. The media is a business selling a product. And it will put out what people will buy. If people would buy hard-hitting investigating journalism then they’d make more of it. But that’s not what most people want. Instead they want entertainment and sleaze.

      The answer is not to demand the media do anything. The answer is to become the media yourself. The reality is this: you and a group of friends can do the media’s job yourself. Anyone can start up a free online newspaper and publish articles. Anyone can become an investigative reporter searching for the truth.

      • Nick Chagouris permalink
        November 16, 2009 11:45 pm

        I agree with your analysis, the media is a business. Even Oprah today is enjoying some of the efferve$cence Princess Palin is bubbling in the air. Palin, hated only 3rd behind Bush and Cheney. It’s so interesting to watch.

        We must become the journalism we need. It’s impossible for me to imagine the old-line media ever regaining my trust.

        That leaves us. There is work to be done.

    • Nick Chagouris permalink
      November 17, 2009 12:32 am

      Between you and I, the word “crapper” was my first choice. But thanks, there is a certain beauquet about the term, isn’t there?

      You must know I am standing directly by your side in the fight. But after reading David Swindle’s reply I can see that he is right. We must fight the enemy itself. The media are the prostitutes and sycophants of the Anti-American Constitution, enemy. Disgusting as they are, it is only OUR dependency upon them that gives them any power at all. Let’s continue on together and remove them from power by TAKING their jobs directly out from under them – as we defeat the enemy.

      It was so nice to watch Oprah kiss up to Sarah Palin today, knowing Sarah was going to super-charge her ratings. The two are natural enemies. Palin is smart to use Oprah’s forum for her cause, and Oprah, well, she sold her soul to the dollar many years ago. Remember, she is the first one to throw her eccentric Uncle Jeremiah under the bus.

      I fantasize of the day when Palin turns down Oprah’s continued pleadings for her to be a guest on her show. May that thought lullaby us all into a restful sleep tonight.

  4. RandallJ911 permalink
    November 16, 2009 6:52 pm

    Excellent article. Those pesky facts and strong consistent correlations always seem to elude these Liberals. I am glad you mentioned this insane decision to try these 911 terrorists in a civilian court in New York City. This is outrageous and says a lot about President Obama.

    It elevates the terrorists to civilian status with all of our civil and constitutional rights.

    It down plays this clear act of war to a civilian crime. Frightening that this President still does not understand the difference between war and a crime – or does he?

    This is an absolute gift to the radical Muslim terrorists. In a civilian court, the Discovery process and cross examinations will provide the radical Islamic terrorists with all the information they will need to be successful in their next terror attacks. Why would Barrack Hussein Obama want them to have this information?

    Why did Barrack Hussein Obama and his political hacks already reveal the names and CIA interrogation techniques revealed to the terrorists? While the Islamic terrorists are beheading and mutilating American’s and the people of other Nations just because they are not Muslim’s, why did Barrack Hussein Obama intentionally reveal these nonlethal and benign interrogation techniques and thereby make them useless?

    Anyone who intentionally brings aid or comfort to an enemy must be held accountable!

    • Nick Chagouris permalink
      November 17, 2009 12:16 am

      I suppose if you are a dyed-in-the-wool anti-war, leftist, (or those folks butter your bread) you simply must deny war. You don’t belive in war. War? What war? There is no such thing as war. There are only man-made disaters, or whatever the trendy euphimism of the month is.

      We are a “CIVIL” people, much civiler than you. You know, the old Highest Moral ground elitist garbage. How ironic to watch the Elite champion the causes of the proletariat from their white towers, scorning the bourgeoise – themselves.

      As for Obama understanding the difference between war and crime, I believe he sees these two ideas as merely ‘things’ that the little people have to grapple with, i.e. it is strictly political to him. Whatever is expedient, he is for. He stands for NOTHING but himself. Crimes do not apply to his own behavior and the only war that interests him is one of public opinion that will enable him to gain and to hold the popular vote which is his power. We gave it to him. It is so refreshing to watch as the popularity and power slips through his Harvard Hands and out through his big ears.

      All your questions concerning Obama’s behavior toward the Islamic enemy proves my point. They may be the enemy of the little people (Americans), but if they have power, (which they have, (a.) oil, (b.) terror, (c.) Political correctness and the ACLU) they have much in common with him. Why not toss them some bones to show that he’s willing to play? “If the political winds should shift, I’ll stand with….”

      Our answer was given to us by our Founders. It is up to us now.

      Thank so much for your comments and questions.

  5. Loplato permalink
    November 16, 2009 6:58 pm

    Excellent points. But, didn’t you know, Mr. Chagouris, this is all Bush’s fault! The Lame Street Media and the current President reminds us of this every day. Surely, they do not want all these facts to get in the way of their message. You wrapped up the connections of the Liberal voting states so well that they may as well be the Elephant in the room.

    • Nick Chagouris permalink
      November 16, 2009 11:51 pm

      Sanity demands the facts be weighed. But we’re fighting an insane adversary. The facts are almost always in support of the conservative side. Sometimes when I realize I’m singing to the choir I need to remind myself that the music we enjoy drives us onward. Sincere Thanks for your reply – but you know we must get smarter and smarter and keep up the good fight. So much at stake.

  6. TX-Mike permalink
    November 16, 2009 9:00 pm

    Bravo! Keep them coming. Facts are hard to digest for anyone who subscribes to extreme agendas. Whether it’s the right or the left. I’m willing to settle for the RINO’s in 2010 and 2012, but true constitutional conservatives need to either take back the Republican party or we need a third party to rise up and bring the constitution back to it’s rightful place in Washington. It lives and it breathes!

    • Nick Chagouris permalink
      November 16, 2009 11:54 pm

      I think your sentiment is growing legs. It would be much easier to renovate the house rather than build another. But if that’s what it takes – so be it. The GOP better be listening!

      Thank you for your reply!

  7. Olympia Chagouris Ross permalink
    November 17, 2009 5:45 am

    Your use of “facts” and statistics” have never ceased to amaze me. Thought provoking…definitely. Interesting analysis, indeed!

    • Nick permalink
      November 17, 2009 3:53 pm

      Ah, Pia! So nice to hear from you. I hope you checked out the highlighted embedded links in the text – particularly the “War of possibly, but possibly not, necessity ” link.

      This is merely one issue of hundreds. All need to be exposed, yet few are being covered in our media. Stakes have never been higher and it is one of saddest things in my life to witness so many millions of people unwilling to do their homework and wake up like their lives and freedom depend on it. This is not hyperbole as we will all son see. But to halt the progression of this movements, and to reverse, we need more wareness. What could be more important?

      Thank you so much for your comment!

  8. John Davidson permalink
    November 17, 2009 9:01 am

    Reporting has evolved into a propaganda enterprise for causes where arguments are treated friviously. The fact remains, the extreme viewpoint dominate politics and neither one makes any sense to the average, rational person. Most of us would rather watch football and sometimes that’s frustrating; noting Sunday Night’s game. At least the losing coach did explain his decision, our politico’s rarely do.

    • Nick permalink
      November 17, 2009 4:20 pm

      I concur. So then, what shall we do?

      Either those of us who are aware will double down in our efforts to inform and rouse the sleepers, or we may as well sit on the sofa and await the day they take our sofas.

      To me, the most unbelievabale aspect of this revolution is how effective the complicit media has been in convincing the masses it doesn’t exist. They would have the public believe this is the expected “partisan bickering” going on, and that the Right is up to its old Swift Boat tricks. Not to mention “Racism” charges coming out of the woodwork. “Ignore the Right,” they say. They ridicule conserevatism and they have armies of celebrities who assist them. That’s a formidable foe. Unprecedented, the White House declared war on Fox News. Is this not a screaming alarm?

      They’ll stop at nothing. They will either overpower us, or we them.
      I hope your up to the fight, we sure need you.

      Thank you for your reply.

  9. peachey permalink
    November 17, 2009 11:20 am

    Nick,
    A sad admission that we have an entire generation of narcissistic sociopaths. The primary goal of Obama is the absolute destruction of this country, to be then re-made in his image.

  10. Mary & Pat permalink
    November 17, 2009 3:12 pm

    Nick,

    Do you think there will be any states seceding ? Which states and When?

    Do you think Washington will listen if the states start to secede?

    What do you think will stop the Madness in Washington?

    • Nick permalink
      November 18, 2009 10:22 pm

      Excuse me but I had to copy and paste this reply that was meant for your questions. Earlier I had to shoot out the door to attend a meeting and I replied to the wrong post. My reply to your questions follow:

      Your questions are deserving of much more response than I am able to give at the moment. I can only offer my opinion based upon the facts I possess. I would first point you to the CC2009 website and check out their prdigious movement.www.usasurvival.org

      In recent weeks I have read some compelling articles on American Thinker and News With Views that support this idea of secession and/or independence from the National Government controls. To be sure, our Founders and our Constitution tells us that it is our DUTY to do so under certain conditions. I feel it is quite safe to say that those conditions are heavily upon us. My guess would be Texas and Alaska leading in such an extreme action. Montana has hinted and there have been quite a few other states’ representatives who have had discussions about it – at the least.

      The chatter is rising and some very intelligent and sober writing is freeflowing throught the blogosphere, e.g. http://www.newswithviews.com/Timothy/baldwin101.htm

      Washington will do whatever it takes for their own survival of course. But, even if they should begin to respond to the Will of The People, they have shown themselves to be untrustworthy and undeserving to govern.

      Therefore, we must get rid of them – both sides of the aisle. Vote out the incumbents and send this message to future generations of would-be despots: NOT IN OUR HOUSE!!

      Thank you so much for your comment

  11. Nick permalink
    November 17, 2009 4:06 pm

    I believe America has been fattened with propaganda for perhaps several generations, preparing it for the slaughter. Get us fat enough, lazy enough, and dumb enough, while taking our very foundation out from under us (Constitution, Religion, National Pride), and we are the easiest of prey. So many from the lustful Left must have fantasized for years to be chosen as The One to cut the throat of the sacrificial Golden Calf – America. Obama was handed the sword.

    Who cannot see they loathe our country and its heritage? They are willfully blind. Indeed, they want to drain the blood out of our beautiful America. They tell us all the time – one simply needs to hear.

    Will they succeed?

    • In the Know permalink
      November 18, 2009 4:55 am

      Here, here! I use the term American ostrich’s to describe those who are willfully blind. You can spot them by the comments they make when any issue of particular importance is under discussion. Comments like “I don’t want to deal with this now….” or “That’s what the government is for…”. Fat, lazy, complacent. City folk need to spend some time on a cattle ranch, they may realize they are no longer the cowboys, but the cows. When was the last time you saw cowboy on the menu?

      • Nick permalink
        November 18, 2009 10:33 pm

        Hahahaha!! Very good stuff!

        It’s refreshing to know others share in my frustration. How do you awaken the sloths? Are we being too critical of them?

        The way that I see it is that there is NOTHING more imnportant to discuss or to think about. Nothing! Why be concerned with earning money when the very money you are earning will either a.) be taken from you, or b.) become valueless in the short term?

        “But I have to get the kids off to school.”

        NO!!! YOU need to teach them the fundamentals of our liberties and their responsibilities in keeping them.

        In other words, if we lose everything, what is anything worth? There is nothing else to do but to get involved now – or laugh, or cry, as the case may be, as you and your loved ones are falling off the cliff.

        Is this hyperbole? Am I insane? I challennge those who might think so: Do your homework and get back to me – but tarry not.

  12. Bill Comanser permalink
    November 17, 2009 9:59 pm

    Great article. The media as a whole, not just MSNBC, reporting the effects on our dysfunctional sociopolitical economic system without having accurately reported the causes, along the way, got us here. How about Bill Clinton gifting China “preferred nation trading status”? How about NAFTA? How about decades of other nations dumping their goods here, and simultaneously not allowing American access to their markets?

    Great read, keep the writings coming.

    Check out Friedrich List, Economist, good reading too.

    • Nick permalink
      November 18, 2009 10:18 pm

      Bill,

      Good points all. Without question, the simple formula that was used in my blog that led to the discovery of a particular cause should be used applied to a lerger problem. Even this cause is symptomatic. We are not dealing with a simple problem. However, once the problem is named, we might be very surprised to realize the solution to be quite simple -not necessarily easy. WE might be shocked that the application of common sense is the precise Rx.

      Thanks for your comment and encouragement. It takes all of our individual involvement. Please trudge onward. I will.

  13. Loplato permalink
    November 18, 2009 6:08 pm

    Nick: Nice going. How did it feel to see your work up on the boards on the Glenn Beck show? The only difference is that you did this for the love of country and not money. Not to say Beck doesn’t love the country but, you get my drift. Keep up the good work. I look forward to reading your thoughts, and I love your phrasing.

  14. Nick permalink
    November 18, 2009 7:38 pm

    Your questions are deserving of much more response than I am able to give at the moment. I can only offer my opinion based upon the facts I possess. I would first point you to the CC2009 website and check out their prdigious movement.www.usasurvival.org

    In recent weeks I have read some compelling articles on American Thinker and News With Views that support this idea of secession and/or independence from the National Government controls. To be sure, our Founders and our Constitution tells us that it is our DUTY to do so under certain conditions. I feel it is quite safe to say that those conditions are heavily upon us. My guess would be Texas and Alaska leading in such an extreme action. Montana has hinted and there have been quite a few other states’ representatives who have had discussions about it – at the least.

    The chatter is rising and some very intelligent and sober writing is freeflowing throught the blogosphere, e.g. http://www.newswithviews.com/Timothy/baldwin101.htm

    Washington will do whatever it takes for their own survival of course. But, even if they should begin to respond to the Will of The People, they have shown themselves to be untrustworthy and undeserving to govern.

    Therefore, we must get rid of them – both sides of the aisle. Vote out the incumbents and send this message to future generations of would-be despots: NOT IN OUR HOUSE!!

    Thank you so much for your comment

  15. Nick permalink
    November 18, 2009 10:50 pm

    Thrilling! I felt thrilled!

    First of all, I can’t be absolutely certain that Beck used my study, but the odds are enormous that it was not by chance when taking into consideration all of the myriad fodder in the field today. In fact, he used very similar graphics to explain the point.

    So, IF Beck or an assistant picked up on my little study, I am thrilled. No, I’m thrilled whether he did or not. I found the point I made to be important. I don’t require credit or recognition. But the value for me is to believe that I can somehow make a difference in any small way. THAT is what is lasting.

    I’m also thrilled that you commented about this. It is worth a giggle or two, but there is new news cascading in every moment with these madmen and women at the helm of the ship – there’s a lot of bailing to do.

    Sincere thanks!

  16. Colleen Coyne permalink
    November 19, 2009 9:43 am

    Hey Nick,
    Thanks for all of your hard work. I thought your article was a great summary. It seemed very clear to me. However, I am always dumbfounde as to why so many people really don’t want to look at the facts OR they think actual facts are not true. Keep up the hard work – I too hope that we can make a difference.

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