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Militias in America: Patriots or Extremists?

November 17, 2009


CNN recently aired a segment on the upsurge of so-called militias across the United States, focusing specifically on the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia, as they “practice target acquisition” with high-powered semi-automatic rifles, run drills and practice first aid.

This Michigan militia is one of hundreds of such groups across the country, and that number is growing. Some of the groups are unquestionably extremist, racist groups that promote hate and other radical ideologies that keep them out of mainstream America, fermenting on the edge of a more tolerant society. Despite common perceptions of militias in our country, an even larger number of these militias are made up seemingly ordinary Americans.

The SWVM posts a rather innocuous “mission statement” in the form of a plain-language disclaimer on its website:

“The SMVM is devoted to individual rights and the ideals that lie at the foundation of our society. We have no affiliation with, nor do we promote or encourage, any subversive or quasi-subversive entities or acts against the United States of America or against the American People, inside or outside of U.S. borders. Any and all instruction and training conducted by The SMVM is done in accordance with Federal, State and Local Laws and regulations. The SMVM does not and will not train any foreign or domestic entity(ies) that could pose a threat to — or has denounced — the United States of America.”

The United States employed militias in the war for independence from Great Britain, then again in the Civil War. The fundamental ideologies and sentiments of militias such as the SMVM are not so different from those of militiamen who fought to free a nation from the tyranny of a distant empire, then to free an entire race in America from the tyranny of another. Little else remains the same.

Right to Bear Arms vs. Right to Form a “Well-Regulated” Militia

In November 2001, Attorney General John Ashcroft issued a letter to all federal prosecutors stating the Justice Department’s new official position that the Second Amendment protected the individual ownership of firearms. His decision was based largely on judicial precedent. So, for the sake of this discussion, we will consider settled the question of the individual’s right to bear arms.

The question of citizen-run militias, however, requires a look not only at the words of the Second Amendment, but also a close examination of the world in which they now function, as opposed the world in which militias found their root in American society.

A report from Rutgers University Law School (Defending Themselves: The Original Understanding of the Right to Bear Arms) states:

“The right to bear arms was not exercised solely by the state or by individuals, but rather by citizens to ensure public safety. Indeed, the individual right to bear arms was essential if men were to perform their duty of militia service.”

Indeed, in the era our Constitution was drafted, and for almost a century after, militias were essential in the defense of our nation. The United States did not, at that time, have a significant standing army or a national law enforcement body. Nor did communities have regular police forces.

Today, the United States has a strong military force, federal law enforcement agencies, and a robust judicial system. States have the National Guard and other state law enforcement agencies. Localities have police forces.

Militias are not held to any system of laws that determines their jurisdiction or modus operandi. They are not, in the modern sense of the word, regulated – certainly not the “well-regulated” militias of which the Second Amendment speaks.

So the remaining questions are –

  • “Do militias still serve a necessary role in America?”
  • “If militias do still serve a legitimate role in America, should we take a literal, modern approach to the verbiage of the Second Amendment – in particular, the words well-regulated – and put in place a regulatory framework to guide and monitor their operations?”

These questions are not to be answered by our courts, which have thus far decided in accordance with precedent and the Constitution, but by Congress, which has the power to change the law.

Unfortunately, CNN’s 30,000-feet coverage of the issue did nothing to add to our understanding of the issue, and posed questions of little import to the larger debate.

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  1. November 17, 2009 4:13 am

    I’m just a Canadian but…

    Isn’t there a school of thought that maintains that “well regulated” in the original sense means “properly disciplined, internally” (by militia commanders) rather than “overseen by a larger outside authority” (such as the Feds)?

    • Karen Northon permalink
      November 17, 2009 4:20 am

      Absolutely. Which is why I wrote, “They are not, in the modern sense of the word, regulated…”

    • betty boop permalink
      November 17, 2009 6:06 am

      Militias under Federal Control would be nothing more than Hitler’s brown shirts. Isn’t the whole point of having a right to arms, and thus, the possibility of organized armed citizens, to provide a small reminder to “elected officialdom” that they are not an absolute power? Democracy is the best governmental experiment tried yet, but it can also be vulnerable to all sorts of abuse. Our founding fathers did not envision nut jobs with guns, but did realize the inherent restraint posed by a power base of responsible armed citizens outside the government.

  2. Amy permalink
    November 17, 2009 4:37 am

    Until the establishment of the National Guard in 1919, militias were (More or less) regulated by the States. In earlier years, militia members elected some offices, including Captain Abraham Lincoln, who served in that most unjust “Black Hawk War”.

  3. oldwolves permalink
    November 17, 2009 5:26 am

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    Where is the ambiguity? This is just another semantic argument for a foot in the door to remove guns from Americans.

    This is why we see our rights most often thought of as an ‘entitlement’ to receive something from the state, as opposed to a freedom from interference by the state? The Government is only allowing us to keep weapons for now,until the government feels it can “Legally” remove militias and their weapons through congressional fiat against the constitution.

    Can they? Well, look at their latest attempt at twisting the Constitution. The government will force you to buy medical insurance you do not want, do not need, or may be not able to afford. And if you don’t buy what your government tells you to buy, if you don’t do so when they tell you to do it, and if you don’t buy just what they say you need, the government will fine you, prosecute, and even try to put you in jail.

    That’s what happens when Government ‘regulates’ in things it should not touch. If some militia makes noises of overthrowing the government then by all means go in and crush them. But don’t go meddling and regulating. This is why militias exist. Distrust of government. Regulations will only fan the flames.

    • Enigmaticaluna permalink
      November 17, 2009 8:00 am

      The reason why this Country still holding some freedoms and liberties for it’s people, or why the government it’s not getting more bold attacking the rights of the people or make unconstitutional laws, is because the people is armed, you take the arms away from the people, and you have no freedom. Some can argue, that Europeans are free, but since I’m European, I know we’re in the mercy of the government. It’s thru history that one can learn, that Countries take over by a corrupt government, or tyranical who bring dictatorship or facism, or even communist to their contries,the first thing they do is to remove the guns of the people, by separating the people, as they will remove them from one sector, say… all spanish people can’t have guns, them catholics, or christians, and this way, the americans who’s not in this category they may feel safe, but eventually they will be attack as well, and they will have no one to defend their rights, as was not them to defend those prior to them, so they may stay together, unite and assure that under NO CIRCUSTANCE, the government, any of them will remove their rights to bare guns. That’s the Constitution, and if someone in government try to take their guns, that will be the TRIGER, to wake up the rest of the Country.
      The militia is need at any time all the time, as it’s the people from the Country who will defend the Rule of Law, as the Constitution is the Law of the Land, and seems to me that the Capitol Hill forgot who to go by it. So it’s important for them to have a remind that American people will defend this Country against foreigner AND DOMESTIC threats against this Nation. That’s why the militia need to be independent of hte Fed’s. As the Founders knew that governments can became corrupted over time. The Founders was very wise people and the laws they make was not for the times they live but for those in the future, to preserve this Nation from injury.

    • jmcaul permalink
      November 17, 2009 5:51 pm

      “If some militia makes noises of overthrowing the government then by all means go in and crush them. ” Well, yes, as long as that government is acting within the confines of the Constitution.
      The question that people always dance around in these discussions is “What if the acting ‘government’ is no longer observing the Constitutional restrictions placed around it to protect the people from it?” In other words, what happens when the ‘government’ goes rogue and starts oppressing the people?

      • oldwolves permalink
        November 18, 2009 4:00 am

        What will happen ?… Even though it’s no longer taught, if ever it was, During the war of Southern Independence (Also known as the Civil war) , The states seceded from the union.

        Some of them several years before the war. And this was “legal” . According to the tenth Amendment of the constitution and the states individual constitutions.

        This was done not only because of the slavery issue(Which was actually a small part of the war) But because the southern states saw their sovereignty being overwhelmed by the Fed. Government. I believe that their were 5 or 6 southern states who at that time already left the union. When Lincoln ordered 75,000 troops to bring them back by force , 4 other states joined the south for fear of northern oppression.

        If push comes to shove the question will not be north vs. south , but coasts vs. the ‘fly over’ states. Their are already rumblings of states wanting a viable solution of disassociating themselves from the American Government. Now there in lies the difference. They don’t want to take over the government, they want out! If a state votes itself out then the constitution will be thrown out the window for sure. And quite frankly , the way this government is going, I’m picking up and moving out to whatever state has the brass cojones to take that step.

        • betty boop permalink
          November 18, 2009 4:56 am

          “And quite frankly , the way this government is going, I’m picking up and moving out to whatever state has the brass cojones to take that step.”

          Bravo, me too. When I start getting the feeling that China looks like a slightly more encouraging to the free market than here, I know there’s something horribly wrong with this picture… I won’t say where I’m placing my bets for fear of jinxing it, but I’m working on heading there, asap.

  4. moonbat5515 permalink
    November 17, 2009 5:48 am

    I find the resurgence of the “militia movement” to be fascinating. I use the quote marks as I’m not sure what to make of these guys. I’ve been observing this situation semi first hand for about 45 years. I had family members who were ultra patriotic, so to speak.
    My own personal opinion is that, were the founders here today, the governmental model they’d most approve of would be Switzerland’s. Everyone serves, and is required to keep their issued firearms, well maintained, in their homes. Of course, with a dumbed down, impressionable society such as ours, that would be suicidal. Too many kids playing WankaGangsta and GTA for that to work.
    Oldwolves- You hit the nail on the head, but be careful “Go in and crush them” plays right to the worst fears of the paranoid

  5. Tommy Donaldson permalink
    November 17, 2009 5:49 am

    Great subject. I contend that both a militia and a government can only be well regulated with people who regulate themselves with the principles of God. Without the self imposed ” love thy neighbor as thy self” and ” he who sheds man’s blood by man shall his blood be shed”, neither group is well regulated because by nature they will not follow any other rules anyway. I need to make myself very clear. I am a Christian and I believe the God of the Bible and His Holy Spirit is the self regulating factor. I do believe our founding fathers were convinced that the only way our form of government would work was with a morally responsible people other wise neither the government nor a militia will be well regulated no matter what rules you write for them. Just take a look at our present governing body in Washington . They are anything but well regulated and I think they have written a rule or two that thy don’t follow.

  6. Carl from Chicago permalink
    November 17, 2009 5:51 am

    “These questions are not to be answered by our courts, which have thus far decided in accordance with precedent and the Constitution, but by Congress, which has the power to change the law.”

    Ultimately, I don’t think those questions will be answered by the courts or the legislatures. I think they will be answered by the people … by public consensus. After all, courts and legislatures ultimately must interact with the people in a way that the people consider just. Because if the legislatures pass laws considered unjust, the people will simply not comply … which undermines the institution of the legislature. To some degree, our system here is a self-correcting one.

  7. Charles Louis D'Ince permalink
    November 17, 2009 5:56 am

    Now then, Karen, steady the Buffs! All this ‘tyranny’ talk about ‘distant empire’ and ‘one race’ and ‘another’ is rhetorical hot air. If you don’t know it, you should. It’s too late on my own Independence Day to give you history lessons, but if you think levying a tax to pay for the war that really liberated you (from the French, your ‘first true ally’, according to Umboko) was ‘tyranny’, go ahead. And if you think slavery was the main issue between the Yanks and the Feds, naivity is too small a word. And if you think that any organisation can have a rule book that mandates anything beyond the law or constitution, then think on – it can’t, finish.

    ‘Well-regulated’ is intelligent-speak for slush-liberal trashtalk ‘transparent’, with a touch of ‘disciplined’ thrown in. The Israeli reserves spring to mind. If the Islamic thugocracy ever makes it past the Israeli army, it’s in for an unpleasant shock when the Uzi’s come out from under the beds and the cadres form up. So should it be with the US, and any organisation that brings together people for safety-training, practice, first aid, and even some ideological refreshment, is to be encouraged in these difficult times. There should be some – preferably elected – state regulating body to prevent the Ulster (Northern Irish) gun-club syndrome that provided, when all is said and done, core training for some of today’s most evil terrorist and drug-runner trainers (as did the IRA swine, all the while wailing about ‘tyranny’ and ’empire’ – they still do).

    I agree that CNN did its usual ‘we went there and emoted all over a potentially interesting situation’, showcasing the fact it has a good nose for news but reporters more concerned with their hairdo and celebrity image than what is going on in front of their perfect nose-jobs. I agree that clarification of The Second is long overdue, although near impossible in today’s ridiculous political climate. But I think you should leave the big, bloated, overused, obese, obsolete words and concepts to our enemies.

    I’ve lost mates fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. Stalin and Roosevelt collaborated to kill off the British Empire and Umboko is trying to piddle on its grave for ‘popular’ support while our lads die alongside Americans. Again.

    Strength to the militias and a pox on the racist scum that get them a bad name. I wish we had them, instead of having to hide the Dragunov, get rusty for want of practice, and never get a good, open chance to teach the kids how and when to use it.

  8. Marsh permalink
    November 17, 2009 6:25 am

    As unpleasent as it might sound, the international and domestic left is basically systematically destroying the Western world from within like a cancer. They allow tens of millions of hostile fundamentalist muslims into their borders just so they can overwhelm the welfare system and commit all kinds of crimes against the easy going native population. In their view creating a diverse society is ideal and paramount over all other concerns. Which is really just a convienent excuse to ship in people who will reshape votings districts so they can push through their radical leftist agendas. Demographics are key in a democratic society and the left are masters at manipulating these demographics. They seperate everyone into tribal-like “victim” groups whether it be by gender, sexual orientation, religion or ethnicity. They then promise to faithfully defend them from the evil heterosexual white men. Thus they create loyal dependable voters for generations. This insanely self-destructive ideology has created massive problems in our societies. Tens of millions of illegal aliens from South America have invaded the United States in the last 10 or so years bringing with them violent barbaric gangs – over 30% of illegal aliens are in a gang. My own bestfriend was murdered by these illegal alien gang members in wealthy Northern Virginia (quite a ways from the Southern border with Mexico which shows that these low lifes are everywhere in our society now) 2 years ago simply because he was white and his girlfriend was hispanic. They shot him with illegal handguns in broad daylight. We found out that many of these illegal alien hispanic gangs require prospective members to murder or rape a white person in order to join. So they’re literally trying to ethnically cleanse whites (and blacks often) from areas they invade and settle in. Yet the media says nothing about this because they’re afraid that the white majority will become enraged and groups like the KKK will return. Literally nothing is being done to deport or arrest these people so we’re now at the mercy of these barbarians. And why is nothing being done? Because they want their votes. They plan to give them all amnesty and use the newly increased hispanic voting block to stay in power possibly indefinitely. And in much of Europe fundamentalist low skilled muslim immigrants have actually setup sharia courts and have created no-go zones for national authorities including police, medical and fire emergency personal. They operate in very similar ways to the South American illegal aliens in America but are even worse. They create “no whites or infidels allowed” zones in once sleepy old European villages and cities where often the native residents had been living there comfortably for literally hundreds of years. Now they can’t even go to a local store without being descenced upon ny gangs of muslim immigrants and then robbed, beaten, raped and even murdered. They also often riot in mass. They nearly destroyed all of France for God sakes only a couple of years ago. And both the hispanic illegal aliens in America and the fundi muslim migrants gang rape native women all the time. These legal and illegal immigrants are also projected to become the majority of our Western populations in as little as 50-100 years. This is intolerable. We’re going to become persecuted minorities in our own countries that will in turn most likely be slowly turned into failed banana republic states due to a decrease in the average national IQ. And the depressing thing is the international and domestic leftists always dominate the media and popular culture so therefore nothing will be done about this slowmotion demographic suicide. People even on the right wouldn’t dare talk about these kinds of issues even privately in their own homes. That’s where the patriot militias come in. They’re a last line of defense.

  9. myworld permalink
    November 17, 2009 6:36 am

    There are ” Fighting Muslims” camps all over the United States and they are left alone to train, recruit, etc……..However, this will not be the case with our own American Militias!!!!
    you watch and see …….American patriots all over our Country are being called Terrorists
    because they disagree with our muslim president and his cohorts………..We lived long enough to regret the election of the “man” in our White House , and some of us will survive to bring our Constitution to LIVE AGAIN ……..GOD BLESS AMERICA AND IT’S PEOPLE…..

  10. Cynthia Thornburg permalink
    November 17, 2009 7:11 am

    The Continental Congress actually just voted to rectify all of this two days ago. Watch them live here.

    • In the Know permalink
      November 17, 2009 8:03 am

      Danger….truther website.

  11. clyde griffin permalink
    November 17, 2009 7:18 am

    After hearing about that Gen. Casey espousing the need for (DIVERSITY), it’s made the need for a Militia that much more nescessary..

  12. richard permalink
    November 17, 2009 7:21 am

    more than ever before we need them. i wish we had one here in nyc.

    • SCOTMARINE permalink
      November 29, 2009 7:49 pm

      you do look up ny state guard not the national gurd there is also a naval militia in nyc

  13. Arrow permalink
    November 17, 2009 7:56 am

    Context people! Context! We all knew how the Founders felt about government, including the one they were creating. The oath requiring the preservation of the Constitution comes by protecting from enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Given the mindset of how our Founders felt about government, DOMESTIC threats, such as government tyranny, would fully justify the true definition of “well-regulated” militia: INDEPENDENT from any government regulatory body.

  14. In the Know permalink
    November 17, 2009 7:57 am

    Anyboby old enough to remember the MSM pulled this same crap during the Clinton era? They are attempting to attach kooks to the genuine conservative movement we see mobilizing. Funny, wasn’t there a conservative uprising against socialized medicine, UN kowtowing, China’s “most favored nation” status, Federally funded abortions, Green BS back then? Weird, this looks the same…hhhmmmm. Did you guys forget all of that happened while you were watching American Idol? They are playing all of the American ostrichs for fools.

  15. In the Know permalink
    November 17, 2009 8:19 am

    Not to mention, these jackasses let CNN do report on them. They are clueless. Of course the SPLC was going to be used in this piece against them. I may contact the “leader” of this group myself and advise him of his stupidity and kindly ask him to refrain from speaking on behalf of all of us working hard to save this republic. That goes to all of you truthers too. Either help us or go to the desert, build your bunker, and shut up. You do not speak for us. If the MSM calls you, THINK. No mater how badly you want to go on TV because you have PROOF that 9/11 was the “guvermint”, aliens abducted you, Black helicopters are coming for your guns, etc… It’s not true, they didn’t and they aren’t. You know how they’re going to get your guns? Look at England, they will legislate it. The moderates will support it because the media will do pieces like this garbage. Why will it work? Because you dumbasses will have given them all the ammunition they need to take you out without firing a shot!

    • November 17, 2009 3:41 pm

      I’m gonna side with In Tha know for now…

      In my opinion:

      A better tactic would be to allow the communist media in and simply “beat them to the punch.”

      By that I mean, acknowledge the fact that you are being addressed by state run media in all on camera (and off) interviews, include the communist rebuttal you know is coming, along with an explanation of how they are wrong. Those of us “in tha know” have been briefed on this while in theater.

      Its a grand tactic actually.

      What fodder would they have then?

      Disseminate widely.

      Aim true…

      • In the Know permalink
        November 18, 2009 5:13 am

        I agree with your point in theory. I do not think it would have it’s intended effect though. They would simply edit out the portions of any interview that did not suit their agenda. Even experienced political commentators run into this kind of yellow journalism (see the Time hack job on Beck, Newsweeks disgusting Palin cover, etc…).

  16. In the Know permalink
    November 17, 2009 8:19 am

    I apologize for my typographical errors. These fools make me angry.

  17. Brent Smith permalink
    November 17, 2009 8:32 am

    In the Know is right. I remember when this “militia movement” was supposed to be a big deal in the mid 90s when it was politically convienient for the Clinton administration and the MSM. It’s all a bunch of hogwash that doesn’t amount to anything, and serves to distract from the real threat of Islamic terrorism just like it did back then.

  18. macko permalink
    November 17, 2009 9:47 am

    “being necessary to the security of a FREE State”.

    It all comes down to freedom. The founding fathers knew and so do the majority of US citizens that if you want freedom you have to let it be known that you are willing to fight for it.

  19. John Davidson permalink
    November 17, 2009 12:26 pm

    The idea that one has to defend themselves becomes more apparent each day. To suggest a militia is relevant to your right to bear arms should be moot, but what constitute a militia is not and the advocation of ” neighborhood citizens crime patrols” by various communities may well fall under that category. So, as a group, can these people bear arms.

    To me, the question is; what is the objectives of the particular militia? Certainly, any group formed to harm another should be outlawed. How simple is that?

  20. November 17, 2009 12:31 pm

    First, let me say . . . there is a reason why the right of law-abiding citizens to own guns is the 2nd Amendment. It it preceded by only one other amendment–the one that guarantees the right to religion, free speech, a free press, the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to petition the government. The Founders understood that the only way to insure the 1st, was to back it up with the 2nd.

    Second . . . there are two things that always have to happen for a despot to take over and create a totalitarian government. See the Bill of Rights: 1st and 2nd Amendments.

    Third . . . this is Clinton rehash. While Bubba’s administration was busy going after “militias”, Al Qaeda’s agents were learning how make fertilizer bombs and how to fly. If it hadn’t been for an alert Customs Agent who went against the Admin’s watch list (white supremists, militias, etc.), Y2K would’ve been ushered in by a nasty little explosion at LAX. Under BO, DHS is keeping an eye on anybody with Ron Paul bumper stickers, and Tea Party protesters waving Gadsden flags, while a muslim extremist opens fire at Ft. Hood.

    And lastly . . . this will all be moot points once BO signs the UN treaty on armaments Hillary has revived. While the idea is to reduce international gun-running, this Administration will use it as an end-run around the 2nd Amendment. Amazing how our politicians have absolutely no problem with using the U.S. Constitution of potty paper . . . EXCEPT when its something like making international treaties supreme over laws it doesn’t stand an ice-cube’s chance in hell of getting past the Supreme Court.

  21. myworld permalink
    November 17, 2009 1:01 pm

    First , obama and his cohorts have managed to “tear up” the Constitution …..How? because you need a bonafide Supreme Court and Congress that believes in government “by the people , for the people – etc…….. WE DON’T HAVE THAT ANY MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    You wanted change ? Well, that’s just about all you will have – IF YOU ARE LUCKY YOU’LL STILL BE ALIVE — God Bless America

  22. November 17, 2009 5:25 pm

    The founders knew all to well human nature in its darkest form. They envisioned a free society founded on both secular and Christian principles would come under attack somewhere down the road by power hungry greedy bureaucrats. It didn’t take a rocket scientist among them to figure out how to keep that from happening. An armed people is a free people.

    Private states militias are the backbone of our societal system. Soem would argue that National Guard units serve the purpose of what the founders considered militia’s. Not so. These units are under the authority of states and federal government. What is needed to keep the Washington establishment in check are masses of armed citizens, under the authority of the Second Amendment coming together to form cohesive and regulated civilian military units to answer our nations call to arms against a repressive government regime.

    The Turban Torpedo

  23. Sassamon permalink
    November 17, 2009 7:00 pm

    The founding Fathers were passionate about the reading of the classics and of the Bible therefore they did “understand the dark side of human nature.” I will go a step further. These fathere were gifted or were gifted with the mantle of discernment….. They knew we would stnad here in this exact spot. I was blessed in that my parents taught me much of the history that I know. They lived it. My Dad, Patton’s 3rd, The Bulge, The liberation of the concentration camps. My Uncle, Pearl Harbor, Dec.7th, 1941. History and politics were spoken of often in conversation in my home. I WAS BLESSED. Sadly, on this day, being a discerning American is a gift handed down, an individual work of study, or an outright gift from God. May we all pray for ourselves, our countrymen to possess the discernment of the Founding Fathers AT THIS TIME.
    And yes, you do now have to make a prayerful decision that if need be you will take a stand you had never dreamed possible… For the freedom of your country, your family, your beliefs, even the Jews again.

  24. myworld permalink
    November 18, 2009 6:55 am

    Howard Reed says:

    ” What is needed to keep the Washington establishment in check are masses of armed citizens, under the authority of the Second Amendment coming together to form cohesive and regulated civilian military units to answer our nations call to arms against a repressive government regime.” You are right ! however, did they really believe we might have to use it against our own government????

    WHY DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE BROUGHT IN UN TROOPS AND HAVE NEVER SENT THEM HOME ???? The people behind obama and his cohorts know the American People will reach a point of saturation and will rebel….. Our own
    “government” will “do away” with our right to defend ourselves against this repressive government rule by taking away our right to own arms……and it will be done with the UN Treaty obama will arrange to go into effect in the near future ……..Take time to investigate all of the Executive Orders that he and his czars have put into motion in 9 short mo. He is binding the hands of our STATUE OF LIBERTY …Will anyone dare to wipe the tears from her eyes ??????

  25. Bill Elder permalink
    November 18, 2009 8:05 am

    “Some of the groups are unquestionably extremist, racist groups that promote hate and other radical ideologies that keep them out of mainstream America”

    Oh, I see so they espouse Sharia colonization jihad?, Marxist deconstructionism?, cultural nihilism?, kleptocratic corporatism?, nationalist surviellence/security police state marshalism? federal imperialism? or transnational Eco-fascism?

    All I see is people who want to remain vigilant to US constitutionalism – if that’s ‘extremist’, well — re-check your politics and locale.

  26. Dulce Fuller permalink
    November 18, 2009 8:10 am

    It seems that this is a propitious moment to ask the question and answer in the affirmative. When we are forced by the horrendous incident at Ft. Hood to accept that the command structure of the Army is so bereft of common sense and common guts and gumption it might be a good thing to have a well ordered (regulated) militia in reserve.

  27. November 19, 2009 9:09 am


    Don’t lump the troops with the political motivated PC leadership. I spent 21 years of my young adult life in uniformed service to my country during the Vietnam era.

    I went to Southeast Asia with the innocence of a school lad of my Happy Days, Mickey Mouse Club era, believing the benevolent government propaganda. It started off that way, but somewhere along the way ‘We the people . . .’ became apathetic to the point we didn’t bother to check the credentials of those that represent us. We walked blindly into the polling booth and either wrote in or pulled the lever for the person we continually voted for . . . something to do with name recognition. It is now devouring us alive.

    I realized when I got older just how blessed ‘We the people . . .’ are to be the beneficiaries of the ‘God, country, mom, baseball and apple pie’ our founders saw fit to give to us as a gift from an Almighty Benvevolent Father. I thank God everyday he allowed me to be born to American parents, esepcially parents who loved Him dearly. Some things are worth fighting and dying for.

    The Turban Torpedo

    • Dulce Fuller permalink
      November 19, 2009 10:22 am


      I appreciate everything you have said and more so what you have done. Note that I specifically referred to the command structure to place the blame.

      And you can believe me when I say that I have NEVER voted for anyone whose principles did not agree with mine.

  28. space explorer permalink
    November 23, 2009 11:45 am

    See…. that’s the problem, when white people like Bush are in power they all agree with their EVIL desicions, now that we have a Black man in power, they are complaining and want war. Is that Democracy and Freedom? I don’t think so, Democracy has to be better than that.

    • In the Know permalink
      November 24, 2009 9:20 am

      You are definitely a racist.

    • oldwolves permalink
      November 24, 2009 9:55 am

      LOL! More like a space cadet! You are the only one who brought up race! What a fraud, just like the space cadet in the white house.

  29. myworld permalink
    November 23, 2009 1:40 pm

    WHO IS THIS SPACE EXPLORER ??????? Oh – just another liberal democrat that would go against the Country’s safety and well- being than to place a vote against his party …….Better wake up or we won’t be voting for a leader — WE WILL HAVE A DICTATOR !! IN FACT , THAT’S WHAT WE HAVE NOW — WHICH INCLUDES HIS CZARS MAKING LAWS FOR US TO FOLLOW WITHOUT QUESTION !!!! WHEN WILL THESE PEOPLE WAKE UP ????????

  30. SCOTMARINE permalink
    November 29, 2009 7:39 pm

    I a m a paritot , i have served with the us marines ,nc state defense militia , now disbanded, by the nc national guard , I was in a militia that was part of the north carolina dept of crime control and public safety, my ancestors fought in the original nc militia and fought the british and helped win our nation as it is today I have served as a police officer a deputy sheriff a corrections officer and even a member of the us coast guard auxillary and i am handicapped we live in the greatest country in th world we open our arms to not so pro american people and new americanS that are patriots this country should have checks and balances there is corruption in any form of our goverment but there are good guys there too freedom is not free there is a price as long as a group of people are protecting the us consitution that is good it has made this county great since its start beware of not truthful people not being who they say they are but each state should have a vaild state defense force with willing people to not to destoy our way of life but to protect it !

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