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Chris Gone Wild: Matthews Berates Catholic Bishop as Having “Transgressed,” Says He Has No Authority to Advocate Against Abortion in Health Care Bill

November 24, 2009

Chris Matthews is known for loudly demanding answers of guests, then talking over them and supplying the answer he wants from them, himself.  But last night on Hardball, he outdid himself, berating Bishop Thomas Tobin of Providence for withholding communion from Patrick Kennedy over Kennedy’s insistence on including abortion in government health care.

This hit Matthews’s two biggest hot buttons:  First, he considers himself the new guardian of the Kennedy legacy.  He was on MSNBC around the clock for the funeral of Mary Jo Kopechne’s chauffeur, while his special on the Kennedy brothers ran simultaneously with the week’s festivities.  Matthews, with leg a-tingling also proclaimed that week that Barack Obama was the new Kennedy brother.

But I think it was the remnants of Chris Matthews’s conscience that sent him over the top last night.  Bishop Tobin’s stand that Catholics must not be advocates for abortion hit close to home for Chris, who still claims to be a Catholic.  Perhaps he was afraid he might be next?

I’d call it a heated exchange, except all the heat was on one side, while the Bishop calmly tried to instruct him, and Chris did 80% of the talking, so there wasn’t much exchange.

In a moment of priceless contradiction, Chris told the Bishop if he did not propose exact penalties for abortions, he had no right to try to outlaw them, and it wasn’t the Church’s role anyway.  In other words, if he wasn’t willing to actually legislate, then he shouldn’t propose general moral principles for legislation!

That would be like saying in order for the Church to demand the state enforce “Thou shalt not steal,” that the Bishops must also draw up statutes differentiating between grand larceny and petty theft, between armed robbery and embezzlement.

The exchange really must be seen to be believed and to capture the frantic intensity of Matthews’s rant.  It should be noted, that the only “authority” that Matthews quotes is John F. Kennedy, perhaps giving new literal meaning to the term “political idol.”

After an aggressive grilling in which Chris did only his usual overtalking of his guest, Matthews pretty much lost it on camera:

MATTHEWS: I think you’re intervening. I think you’re getting into law here, and you don’t like Congressman Kennedy’s voting record in Congress. That’s what you’re really going after, where he stands on the law. A lot of catholics agree or disagree in every poll I’ve seen about what the law should be. They generally accept the teaching authority of the church, the magistar (ph), your teaching authority, your excellency.

Where the disagreement is where the law should be, what the penalty should be. I’ve never heard of anybody in the church, in the laity, in the clergy, or in the hierarchy saying a woman should be put in prison for having an abortion. And then I said, wait a minute, if you think it’s murder, there’s an inconsistency here.

And if there is a hesitancy to punish a woman for having an abortion, maybe that’s instructive to you, sir, your excellency, because when you realize you don’t really want to punish a woman for having an abortion, under the law, then maybe you should step back from using the law as your tool in enforcing moral authority.

Maybe your moral authority comes from the pulpit and from teaching, and a congressman has a totally different role, which is to write the law. Now, I’ve asked you three times, your excellency, to tell me what the law should be. And if you can’t do it, maybe you shouldn’t be involved in telling Congressman Kennedy how to write the law. You say you don’t know how to do it. Well, you ought to try before you tell him what he’s doing wrong. That’s my thinking.

Because when it comes to the law, it’s a secular question. It has not to do with the moral-we do a lot of things in this country we don’t like, we think are immoral. But the question is, what sanction do you apply to it? And I’m asking you again with respect, because you are here on the show of your own free will, at our request. What should be the penalty for a young woman or a girl, even, to have an abortion? And if there is no penalty for it, are you really outlawing it?

TOBIN: Sure. And it can perhaps be different degrees of penalties, depending on the involvement of the person. There might be some penalty for the woman having the abortion.

MATTHEW: What would be appropriate?

TOBIN: For a doctor performing-

MATTHEWS: No, let’s get to the woman. No, you have no idea, and it’s not your area. And yet this is the very area you’ve transgressed in. You’ve gone into the area of lawmaking, and condemned the behavior of public officials who have to write public policy. And I get back to what John Kennedy said when he was under pressure to explain the separation between church and state, the difference between rendering unto Caesar the things that are Caesar, which is the law, and rendering to your flock and people like me what is right and wrong.

And I would contest that your problem is you haven’t gotten people to obey your moral code through teaching, and you have resorted now to use the law to do your enforcement for you. And the problem with that is you are hesitant, even here, your excellency, to state for me now what the punishment should be under the law for having an abortion, because you know, deep down, if you said one minute in prison, you would be laughed at, because the American people, catholic and non-catholic, do not think it’s a criminal act to have an abortion.

They may not like it. They may think it’s immoral. But they don’t think it’s criminal. And yet you are here bringing the force of the law, the authority of the police, and the bench, the law, the judiciary. You want to bring it all to bear, including the Constitution, to enforce your moral beliefs, which are very valid, and I happen to share them. But how do you do it under the law, your excellency?


But here was the main point the Bishop made that Matthew refused to accept; and it seems pretty unarguable to me that one cannot be a Catholic and deny the Church this role:

TOBIN: But the point is that any Catholic in public office, his first commitment has to be to his faith, not just for a Catholic, but for a member of any religious community. No commitment is more important than your commitment to your faith, because it involves your relationship with God.

And if your faith somehow interferes with or your job gets in the way of your faith, as I have said on other occasions, you need to quit your job and-and save your soul. Nothing can become more important than your relationship with God.

Patrick Kennedy is perfectly free to become an Anglican, I’m sure the current Archbishop of Canterbury would welcome him with open arms.  If he chafes under even that, he could become a Unitarian and just define for himself what he wants his religion to be.  But if he finds his “Irish Catholic” cultural label to be politically useful, he’s going to have to deal with some standards every once in a while.  Tough luck.

As for Chris, he might want to carry a lightning rod around for a few days…

UPDATE:  I’ve just learned that the conversation Bishop Tobin had with Patrick Kennedy was 3 YEARS ago, according to the Bishop.  It was on the issue generally, not on the health care debate, obviously.  Kennedy released the info during the health care debate for obvious political reasons, proving he can be just as sleazy as anyone in his family.

  1. Elaine B permalink
    November 24, 2009 9:11 am

    Too little, too late. “Catholic” Kennedy’s, Pelosi, Kerry, Biden, Cuomo, and all the rest have had free reign for decades to be the most rabid promoters of the culture of death with absolutely no consequences because the overwhelmingly majority of leaders and clergy in this heretical church aren’t Catholic either.

  2. bmunlin permalink
    November 24, 2009 9:14 am

    I watched this interview last night. It was the most despicable interview I have ever seen from this idiot. Totally disrespectful.

  3. Rick permalink
    November 24, 2009 9:19 am

    Chris Matthew is 100 percent. The fact is, the moral authority of bishops is being ignored, and has been ignored for years by Catholics.
    So now bishops are now trying to use the law as a substitute for their failed moral authority. It is so easy to see right through their attempt at deception.

    • November 24, 2009 11:18 am

      Agree, Chris Matthews is 100% correct. The unelected, extremist, male only America-hating Italian bishops have no authority to advocate for an American health care bill. They are not elected officials and their only goal is exactly identical to Mormonism and Islam and Scientology – to declare themselves the one and only true non-profit religion with the goal of dismantling the Democratic Party, then dismantling the Republican Party, and replacing all western politics with an unelected Nazi-like false Pope king for life from Italy. The American Italian bishops reject the concept of western democracy/western capitalism 100% and want to return to the old and rejected political model concept of a male only king for life – no questions allowed – convert or die.

    • TBONE permalink
      November 24, 2009 12:52 pm

      Has anyone even considered that maybe, just maybe a good Catholic should just abstain from the voting in congress on issues where abortion is concerned?

      • PattiB permalink
        November 24, 2009 1:59 pm

        A “good” Catholic should sit by while babies are being killed? Maybe vote “present?” Do I have your position on this issue correct?

      • Brad permalink
        November 25, 2009 7:20 am

        Can we have the atheists and Unitarians and everyone who believes that the killing of innocent life in the womb is ok also abstain from voting their consciences, or lack of consciences?

  4. PattiB permalink
    November 24, 2009 9:40 am

    Matthews- you turd- how DARE you berate the Bishop in that way??? The Bishop has EVERY authority to advance Catholic teachings which include the FACT that ABORTION IS MURDER. Further, that little pissant Kennedy doesn’t get to vote in favor of jabbing a probe into the skull of a baby and then go to communion as though there wasn’t blood on his hands. You want to know what SHOULD happen with abortion? Each state should decide on their own whether they would allow it or not. The Supreme Court grossly overstepped their authority with Roe vs. Wade. And if a “Catholic” wants to vote in favor of abortion, which- you big, translucent jerk- is MURDER, then he can do so, but what he CAN’T do is pretend to be in good standing with God and the Church. And- I’ll say it- should a woman get an abortion in a state where it isn’t allowed by law- both she AND the doctor doing the murdering should go to jail. (And fyi- I had an “inconvenient” pregnancy, so I know what it means.)

    Baby Patty Kennedy’s feelings are hurt? Too bad. Cry me a river. Let him tell it to the murdered souls of the babies thrown in the garbage when he gets to the other side. But, of course, he’ll be going to a place where he won’t see them OR GOD FOR ALL ETERNITY. The Bible teaches that God knew us before we were born- that we are all gifts from Him- and that includes those murdered in the womb. Don’t like that fact, Patty- get a spine and go watch an abortion done with the use of a sonagram- then tell me it’s a “choice” and not a precious life.

  5. November 24, 2009 9:45 am

    The United States was founded by a deist, George Washington, (and others). George Washington was not a foreign Italian Catholic. The same European politician Pope who is trying to meddle in USA politics is the same one who called Galileo a bad astronomer and had Tinsdale burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English. The current Pope king of Rome has tried to cover up child crimes, views women as incompetent to be dentists, doctors, teachers, and priests (due to gender only), and considers normal marriage (one male minister to one normal female – aka married priests) to be morally evil. In the United States, elected representatives run our government. It is not run by a Nazi-like dictator king for life known as the extremist Italian Pope. The news media in the United States should echo the words of Democrat President John F. Kennedy who said Rome would never make laws for the democracy known as the United States. It’s time for the news media to tell the politician Pope to stay out of western politics and stop trying to eliminate the Democratic Party from the United States. Chris Matthews has every right to ask questions during a TV interview. In my view, his approach with the Italian bishop was no different from interviews he’s had with many other politicians/guests. For those who believe no questions allowed – convert or die – it’s time for those medieval, the earth is flat people to return to Rome and stay there forever. Sorry if my view offends some readers but the it’s time to keep the western democracies-hating/capitalism-hating/women-hating/child-crime hiding politician Pope out of USA politics.

    • David Forsmark permalink
      November 24, 2009 10:15 am

      I’m not Catholic, and am no expert on dogma or doctrine. However, it seems to me that denying the Mass to a Catholic who is in direct defiance to the church’s major moral teaching is well within the Bishop’s role…

      And, I’m pretty sure Patrick Kennedy is free to affiliate elsewhere.

      And George Washington was not a deist, some Founders were, but were a definite minority.

      • PattiB permalink
        November 24, 2009 2:01 pm

        Note: The Bishop isn’t denying Mass- just Communion. I guess hope springs eternal for an attack of conscience.

        • David Forsmark permalink
          November 24, 2009 2:16 pm

          I stand corrected, a natural Baptist mistake.

          • PattiB permalink
            November 24, 2009 7:43 pm

            Hahaha that’s okay. I was raised in the Catholic faith but have since joined a non-denominational Bible based church.

  6. November 24, 2009 10:05 am

    Matthews is a clown. As a close-knit ethnic Catholic ( Mick), I remember Chris Matthews -types from grammar school on the south side of Chicago.

    They had a very rough time of things – often confusing the recriminations meted out for their rat-ings out for fine chaps like myself ( Merry Hearted boys make the best of old men) and feigning loyalty.

    Career paths on the edges of Ward politics were tailor-made for them.

    Lacking any and all back-bone, bullying for the O’Donnells and Matthews became a way of life and, given our societal and legal ramparts available to cowards, developed into a lucrative means of making a living. When an offensive remark is met with pitying shakes of the head instead of the time-honored ass-kicking and tooth loosening, Chris Matthews plays Hardball.

    When dumbed down American audience ( and employers) will not only accept a Chris Matthews vision of history, but reward it with cash, the mental and moral defective thrives.

    O Tempora, O Mores

  7. Carterthewriter permalink
    November 24, 2009 10:18 am

    The Vatican must take a stand this time. There was no excuse for it while Hitler gained power.
    Our right to believe in God is being “separated” from us by politicians manipulation a clause in the constitution.

    For Chris Matthews to discourage the church’s right to speak out is ludicrous journalism.

  8. Jackout permalink
    November 24, 2009 10:59 am

    Bishop or God ! . Thou shall not kill…if abortion is wrong than capital punishment is as well . So let’s condemn and tell all the catholic sinners both left and right to leave Congress RIGHT NOW !

    • David Forsmark permalink
      November 24, 2009 11:07 am

      Okay, even I know that the Catholic Church frowns on capital punishment but does not teach it is intrinsically evil. Abortion is the taking of INNOCENT human life. Your cliched statement of the commandment, for instance, would not allow for Just War– or about half the things God commanded Israel to do in the Book you are quoting from.

  9. November 24, 2009 11:16 am

    I went to the same Christian Brothers High School as Chris Matthews 10 years earlier. Apparently he forgotten his religion. Furthermore he is a hippocrite pretending to be a liberal. He is a member of the San Francisco Bohemian Club which includes in its membership Don Rumsfeld, George H. W. Bush and Henry Kissinger. Initiation was $25000 and annual dues are $5000. H is a member of the Drangons Camp meeting for three weeks each July. If he went this year he had to enter through a large group of liberal protesters. More on the Bohemian Club if you Google it.

    • Carterthewriter permalink
      November 24, 2009 12:01 pm

      He’s sold his soul to keep himself employed. Therein lies the truth to his character.

    • politicalmoxie permalink
      November 24, 2009 6:56 pm

      @ Bill Hipple…

      Where have you been…have you only just heard of News Real and the entertainment they provide dissin’ Mathews et al of MSNBC…are you’re coming back? That comment of yours proves KARMA exists!

  10. November 24, 2009 11:20 am

    Chris Matthews, has a little brain, even though it harder in his case, that little brain has been brain washed. Or maybe, like the other losers of MSNBC, Kieth Obermann, Ed Shultz, and Rachel Maddow, he is just temporarily insane. Matthews should get a good mental elevation. But he should get it done now, and wait until 2012, when the 2019 pages of lies health care reform goes into effect.
    I am Catholic. Chris Matthews is suppose to be Catholic. I do not believe it. I have never met a Catholic who acts as he does. He is just Pathetic. He has a sharp tongue, is abusive, full of insults, disrespectful, arrogant, interrupts his guests all the time. I cannot understand why anyone goes on his show. Is it any wonder why MSNBC ratings are in the tank?

    • PattiB permalink
      November 24, 2009 7:53 pm

      Actually, I am shocked at how many Catholics are “pro-choice.” (The quotation marks are because I don’t believe it’s a choice- it’s murder.) Priests have actually said- from the pulpit- that Catholics can vote for liberal, i.e. pro-choice, candidates if they think that candidate is the better one. There is actually debate over this! It’s a scandal. The Church should be unified in it’s condemnation of the practice of abortion and unified in withholding it’s endorsement of any candidate that supports it.

  11. A. Cuellar permalink
    November 24, 2009 11:52 am

    A Bishop has every right to shepherd his flock. Chris Matthews, you are one of those scandalous Catholics that should be banned from your church.

  12. Paul Cooper permalink
    November 24, 2009 11:57 am

    Wow. Chris Matthews should be excommunicated from the RCC for that behavior. That was horrible. He should come on his show tonight and apologize for his treatment of the Bishop, and he should apologize for his complete lack of logic.

  13. smithwinston permalink
    November 24, 2009 12:41 pm

    We should keep Mr. Matthew’s performance in the proper perspective, because losing sight of what he is, a rabid demagogue, whose mind is a rancid broth of lies, makes a mockery of those entertaining any pretense of serious high-caliber debate with him.

    That was Bishop Tobin’s error, falling into Matthew’s leading, and rapid-fire hypothetical style of questions. Becoming entraped, he allowed Matthew’s, a hideously ugly person at the core of his soul, to command this discussion on Catholic morality, and pervert it for his own degenerate purposes.

    What cold Bishop Tobin have done once he agreed to place himself at the mercy of Matthew’s frenzied Nazi style interrogation?

    The bishop should have spoken more on the scriptures, and the authority of Jesus Christ. For example:

    Matthew 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father, who is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

    James 3:14 But if you have bitter zeal, and there be contentions in your hearts; glory not, and be not liars against the truth.

    Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment.

    The bishop was composed, lucid, polite, and held to his position of the sanctity of all human life. But he allowed himself to be lead to a point where Matthew’s was clearly attempting to paint the Catholic church as a potential force for repression and tyranny, i.e., placing any restrictions on any and all human behaviour, something the Left reacts to as Matthew’s, a vampire to a cross.

    Matthew’s obviously wanted to harm the church by implying that the chruch would imprision people, if they could, involved in abortions, hence, his constant posing the question to the bishop “what laws would you pass for women, girls, having an abortion…prision?” This really makes him all the more deplorable, and devious.

    Matthews clearly is not satisfied with the Catholic church’s already anemic moral authority, he wants it feet-up dead, a relic gathering dust, as to greese the skids for the next stage of total human depravity, which he can barely contain his zealotry for, a realization of the sum total of the Left’s labours these many years, total moral anarchy.

    Maybe Matthews should watch this video from Catholics come home to gain the proper respect and understanding for what the Catholic church represents:

    P.S. I’ve got two words for Chris Matthews. You can go straight to hell.

    • David Forsmark permalink
      November 24, 2009 12:55 pm

      In the Bishop’s defense, he was arguing with a camera lens, not face to face. The guy in charge has all the advantages should he decide to use them in that situation.

      Matthews acted as though he had discovered some new line of rhetoric with the whole “are you going to imprison the mother” hoary cliche. Of course, that wasn’t done when abortion WAS illegal.

      • smithwinston permalink
        November 25, 2009 1:49 am

        Mr. Forsmark, I agree, Matthews argument that illegalizing abortion would send mothers to prison if the church had her way, and so the church should not weigh in on politicians who have the power effect the abortion issue is twisted.

        Your point that women were not jailed in the past, is absolutely true, but Matthews does not care for truth, he cares about promoting supreme lies of the Left, which pervert truth and feign ignorance in the guise of doing good. That is a form of evil.

        Of course Matthews line of questioning was designed not to reach the clear position of the Catholic church on this issue, i.e., abortion is a mortal sin, and cannot be condoned under any circumstances, but to play “gotcha” by implying that the church was in fact “overstepping” her bounds in forbidding Mr. Kennedy from receiving the sacrament of Holy Communion for an obvious serious violation of church teaching.

        But that’s the Left’s entire M.O. in a nutshell, actions without consequences, as long as those actions adhere to their manifesto.

        Matthews is loathsome, and Bishop Tobin stood his ground, but should avoid being shy in the future about saying “if you’re Catholic, you stand for certain principles, if you cannot accept those principles, you are welcome to leave the church”.

        As Jesus Christ himself said:

        Luke 10:8-12

        “Whatever city you enter and they receive you, eat what is set before you;

        9 and heal those in it who are sick, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’

        10 “But whatever city you enter and they do not receive you, go out into its streets and say,

        11 “Even the dust of your city which clings to our feet we wipe off in protest against you; yet be sure of this, that the kingdom of God has come near.’

        12 “I say to you, it will be more tolerable in that day for Sodom than for that city.

        Hey, Matthews, you creep, you won’t be able to play cute word games with God.

        John 6:44

        “No man can come to me, except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him; and I will raise him up in the last day.”

        • David Forsmark permalink
          November 25, 2009 7:48 am

          Nice job. One might think you were applying for a NewsReal Sunday blogging spot with the depth of the responses. Don’t remember Winston Smith being so outspoken!

          • smithwinston permalink
            November 25, 2009 9:45 am

            Mr. Forsmark, Thank you for your kind words, and for trying to keep up with the barrage of lies that arch-villian, Matthews preaches, and calling him out on it.

            Of course, dealing with the Left, especially a maniac like Matthews is like playing “Whack-a-Mole”. Every time you smack down the lies, the intellectual bankruptcy, the dishonesty, and the hate, the creature pops up somewhere else with an even bigger lie.

            After reading your article, I could barely grab the digitalis in time, my pressure spiked so suddenly. How do you handle it?

            Imagine Orwell seeing the state of Western Media today. He might be satisfied that his work of fiction, 1984, increasingly reflects the society evolving today, one in which ideology has trumped reason with the full cooperation of the intellectual, academic, and political class, just as he envisioned, and it is hard to tell where all of this is heading.

            Read this second sentence I’ve copied below from an hour old AP release to see the Ministry of Propaganda in overdrive:

            “The president is expected to lay out his plans for expanding the Afghan conflict and, ultimately, ending America’s military role.”

            “Obama to address nation on Afghanistan Tuesday”

            “…Ultimately ending America’s military role.”? Are they that shameless, these programmed cogs in nice suits? Notice the doublespeak.

            This is the mainstream media in action, They essentially say above, that Obama will “EXPAND” the “CONFLICT”, i.e., the WAR, to “END” the WAR (AMERICAS MILITARY ROLE).

            It is almost as thought that sentence was perfectly designed, and worded, to absolve Obama from his stated promise to bring the troops home and end the war. Would these hacks at the AP have shilled the same if it wasn’t Obama contradicting himself at every turn?

            Remember, 1. War Is Peace; 2. Freedom Is Slavery; 3. Ignorance Is Strength.

            • David Forsmark permalink
              November 25, 2009 10:30 am

              Ha! This column IS my digitalis.

    • PattiB permalink
      November 24, 2009 1:02 pm

      Excellent analysis. Further, women who have had abortions are irreparably harmed. They are told that they are eliminating a mass of cells. Planned Parenthood won’t allow sonograms because they know that their main source of income would be in jeopardy if women actually saw their babies before they aborted them.
      God bless Bishop Tobin for standing firm on the side of life. It isn’t a “choice,” it’s a life. And shame on Matthews- really- shame.

    • politicalmoxie permalink
      November 24, 2009 7:06 pm


      LOVE your comment…
      I would only add to the last sentence…If you can’t go straight to hell would you pleeeeeeeeeeeze shut the hell up until you can?

      PS. Your name is not lost on me.

  14. November 24, 2009 12:52 pm

    Who cares what Chris Matthews thinks or says? I don’t watch his show. If I recall correctly, his viewer ratings are low. I’m just glad he’s off the streets and not molesting anybody.

  15. Douglas permalink
    November 24, 2009 1:40 pm

    Patrick Kennedy is free to reject Catholic teaching, but he can’t have his cake and eat it too.

    Those who used this comment section to bash the Catholic Church have missed the point entirely.

    Patrick Kennedy can’t reject the teachings of the Catholic Church, but then go around trying to reap electoral benefits from being in solidarity with the “Pahr, Poot-Upon Oy-reesh Cah-thlicks.”

  16. Craig Gorsuch permalink
    November 24, 2009 2:48 pm

    What most viewers / readers may not see in Matthews’ diatribe is the Leftist belief that The State is The Ultimate Arbiter of All Authority. As such, someone who works for The State is, de facto by reason of their position in The State, immune to any and all criticism to their actions done in the name of The State.

    This is the first shot in OFFICIALLY silencing The Church, and will likely culminate in legislation against The Church.

    • November 24, 2009 5:11 pm

      Pat Robertson ran for president of the United States and the government took away the non-profit license of his 700 (religious Christian) Club for one year; that same approach could be applied to the foreign Italian Catholic church for meddling in USA politics. The USA court system (the Supreme Court) has been toning down what non-profit churches/various denominations can say for about fifty years (Bible in public school, prayer in public school, prayer at football games, and so on). The various denominations/churches have ministers but they do not meet the role of officially elected politicians (secret ballots cast by educated women and men) which Democrat Representative Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island does.

      • David Forsmark permalink
        November 24, 2009 5:34 pm

        Comparing the head of an organization running for President, and a Church holding its members accountable or standing up for generally accepted Christian moral principles pretty much defines you as a fanatic, man.

  17. reneeca permalink
    November 24, 2009 5:01 pm

    I am a Catholic and for the life of me I cannot understand how Catholics like Matthews who have had Catholic upbringings think so opposite from their Catholic upbringing! Does not their teachings of God’s laws supersede that of the state? St. Thomas Aquinas said “No unjust law is a law at all.” How will they answer for their pro-abortion stance before the eyes of God! They claim sensitivity for women’s right but who speaks for those innocents who die horrible deaths! Chris matthews hero Obama voted 3 times against the “born alive act” which would allow a baby born alive during an abortion to be tended to by a doctor. Now they let the baby die like so much trash and in pain thrown away like so much trash! What is the matter with these people!

    • PattiB permalink
      November 24, 2009 9:07 pm

      You’re right. Obama isn’t just pro-choice- he’s pro-abortion. You don’t want to punish people with a baby just ’cause they made a mistake! If the Congress gets creative with the restrictions on abortion- thereby allowing public funds for abortion- I think my head will explode.

  18. Cindy permalink
    November 24, 2009 6:18 pm

    This guy is CRAZY! Ape Sh*t freaking crazy. He loves the sound of his own voice and treats people like dirt in every interview he has with anyone of integrity. I think abortion is murder,too. I’m not Catholic, but the saneness of this Bishop kind of makes me want to rethink my position. I am amazed that some moron actually PAYS Chris Matthews for spewing this self-absorbed crap.Dear Lord, does the guy ever watch tape of himself to see what a jack-ass he is? If he has a wife I’ll bet she daydreams about ways to just make him disappear. This Catholic Bishop has the right to say whatever he wants …If Patches wants to be a Catholic, then BE A CATHOLIC. If you don’t agree with the teachings and positions of the church , then LEAVE. Problem solved.

    • Carterthewriter permalink
      November 24, 2009 8:42 pm

      Good lord, Cindy, I was going to fix you up with in the hopes you could straighten the man out, but hell, you’d kill him first.

  19. donnamarie permalink
    November 25, 2009 5:11 am

    I did not see the interview but it sounds like good comedy to me. I think I will watch it for a good laugh.

    As for those out there who have a problem with what the priest said-well, he is a catholic priest, he said it three years ago and he said it in private. It had nothing to do with the current health care debate other than the blowhard Kennedy wanted to use it for some reason-I am sure it was calculated.

    As a catholic, I expect a priest to condemn abortion and then to view people who support it unfavorably. (Of course, in the catholic faith there is forgiveness for those who repent.) Whether or not there are criminal penalities for men, women or both, it is and always will be a moral issue. This is what the catholic church teaches-morality, something that is very lacking in today’s society.

    For Chris Matthews to lose it over this issue is ridiculous-it sounds like he is struggling with some of that catholic guilt to me.

  20. stmichrick permalink
    November 25, 2009 6:14 am

    Someone should tell Chris Matthews that there now is a system that provides moral guidance AS WELL AS the penalty for transgression; Sharia.

    What Mr Matthews argues for is silence from the Church on all matters he disagrees on.

  21. stmichrick permalink
    November 25, 2009 6:18 am

    The Kennedys have used their Catholic connection for electoral purposes since old Joe got interested in ‘public service.’

    Finally, the Church has exacted it’s price.
    Long overdue.

  22. ciccio permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:09 am

    Chris Matthews cannot possibly be a Catholic, were he one he would know that Bishops are not addressed as ” your excellency”, not even by Catholics. An ambassador is addressed as such. The only exception is if the Bishop is Anglican and also a member of the upper chamber, in which case he is addressed as “My Lord Bishop”. When a man whose position position entails meeting with all kinds of public and notable persons does not even know how to properly address them I can only assume he is too stupid to hold the job.

    • Carterthewriter permalink
      November 25, 2009 10:39 am

      Perhaps, he thinks he’s a cardinal, he is quite RED.

  23. peachey permalink
    November 25, 2009 1:36 pm

    Will someone please inform Chris Matthews that there are actually people that form their opinions and actions based on their faith and belief that G-d has set a guide book in place for liberal and frequent use. He lacks the comprehension that some actually have a value/moral foundation and base everything in life on it. He seems to have been able to completely separate out faith and actions taken in daily life. This is astounding to me. The real question is what exactly does he actually believe in as a life foundation (other than his own self-superiority). David, I don’t know how you do it. My brain would be oozing out of my ears if I had to listen to and report on Matthews.

  24. David Albion permalink
    November 25, 2009 6:58 pm

    I thought an interview is all about a person asking questions of another and letting the answers flow. The wet legged Matthews seemed to believe it is an opportunity to express his views and hound the guest that he disagreed with. The bishop was admirable in his restraint and had the wet leg looking like a wannabe persecutor or is that prosecutor. The clip was the first time I had heard and seen the creep and made me so pleased I do not waste my time with television. (Happy 20th anniversary Internet and good-bye television!)

  25. Maureen permalink
    November 25, 2009 7:03 pm

    The most prominent “Catholic” politicians are not true Catholics. Kerry divorced his first wife and married Heinz. Pelosi is a proponent of abortion. Why do either of them still receive Communion? I was born and raised Catholic, but I divorced and remarried. I did not need a priest to tell me to stop receiving Communion. My faith told me not to try to justify “breaking the rules.” God will judge everyone by their actions. Of course, we do believe in Purgatory, so they can try to convince God they are sorry for breaking his commandments. HE is forgiving.


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