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Swiss Voters: Stop the Minarets!

December 1, 2009

The fifty million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades…Europe is in a predicament, and so is America. They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims.—Muammar Quadhafi

From Amy Goodman’s Marxist slanted Democracy Now! program, comes a report out of Switzerland which describes how voters in that country have overwhelmingly approved a referendum banning the construction of minarets on Muslim places of worship. Goodman, describing the referendum as being an effort sponsored by “two right-wing parties,” gives Democracy Now!’s version of what transpired:

Swiss voters have overwhelmingly approved a referendum banning the construction of minarets on Muslim places of worship. The referendum was sponsored by two right-wing parties. Switzerland is home to some 400,000 Muslims and has just four minarets. A campaign poster in support of the ban depicted a woman in a burqa in front of a row of minarets shaped like missiles. Oxford University professor Tariq Ramadan, who is a Swiss citizen, said “The Swiss majority are sending a clear message to their Muslim fellow citizens: we do not trust you and the best Muslim for us is the Muslim we cannot see.” Amnesty International said the vote to ban minarets violated freedom of religion and would probably be overturned by the Swiss Supreme Court or the European Court of Human Rights.

There is so much to take issue with in Goodman’s report that a weighty tome could be written in response to that one paragraph. One could, for example, question the decision to solicit the opinion of Tariq Ramadan on the issue. Ramadan, you may recall, was the same individual who characterized the 9/11 attacks, the October 2002 Bali nightclub attack, and the March 2004 Madrid train bombings as “interventions,” rather than acts of terrorism. He has a deep-seated hatred of the West and Israel, is the founder of a Swiss Islamo-fascist organization called the “Movement of Swiss Muslims,” and has exhorted Muslim youth “to Islamize modernity rather than modernize Islam.”

One could also question Goodman’s use of the specious argument put forth by Amnesty International, which characterizes the Swiss vote banning minarets as a “violation of religious freedom.” A curious argument coming from an organization that remains strangely silent on the issue of religious freedom in the Islamic world, where it is forbidden to build a church of any kind in countries such as Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia (where Christians may not even set foot in many areas for fear of being executed).

We will leave those questions for another time. It will prove much more interesting to have a look at two key points which Goodman completely fails to mention in her report:

1)      The Swiss vote was democratic; and

2)      The largest group of voters turning out to vote against the minarets was not “right-wing” xenophobes, but leftist, feminist women!

In considering point number one, it is surprising that an organization that took pains to name itself “Democracy Now!” would leave that out of its report. The Swiss vote, however, was democratic. The fact that it produced a result different from that deemed politically correct is irrelevant.

The second point is even more interesting:

Post-election polls revealed that the Swiss would have rejected the ban were it not for feminist involvement: 39% of women were in favor of the ban, as opposed to 31% of men.

Why is that?

Radical feminists argued that the tower-like structures are “male power symbols” and reminders of Islam’s oppression of women. Socialist politicians were also fearful at the prospect of the minarets being built; one exclaiming that she felt that their construction would be “a signal of the state’s acceptance of the oppression of women.”

But the issue seems to have struck a nerve in a broad specturm of Swiss women, and not just Socialists and radical feminists. Julia Werner, a housewife, put it this way:

If we give them a minaret, they’ll have us all wearing burqas. Before you know it, we’ll have Sharia law and women being stoned to death in our streets. We won’t be Swiss any more.

Predictably, the Muslim world is enraged over the vote, and if the furor over the Danish newspaper cartoons portraying Mohammed three years ago is anything to go by, the Swiss are in for a rough time.

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59 Comments
  1. richard permalink
    December 1, 2009 5:22 am

    they will overrun the west. purpose? to conquer.

  2. Rick permalink
    December 1, 2009 5:25 am

    A creeping realization that the game is over! The People will act (vote/fight) while the career slug leaders PC for votes!

  3. discerning curmudgeon permalink
    December 1, 2009 5:52 am

    Good for the Swiss; deport all radical Muslims so they can _itch and moan about what ever the “Great Satan” country they are parasitic on is quashed. They are continually complaining and are generally hotheads so what’s the point of allowing these people to foment trouble in these countries? Traitorous behavior, barbaric practices(i.e.stoning of women)and a permanent hatred of Christians,and Western Civilization.
    All one must realize is that forget the word “religion” with Islam because it is an ideology that is bound completely with Shariah Law,et al-cannot separate the anti-Christian,anti-Western civilization aspect. The sooner the West wakes up to this fact the better; in this case, ignorance is NOT bliss.

    • PRCS permalink
      December 1, 2009 8:01 pm

      I’m sure you mean well, but how about defining what a ‘radical’ Muslim is.

      • Claudia permalink
        December 2, 2009 12:01 am

        Humm why don’t muslims explain what a ‘radical’ muslim is? The way I see it, the publishing of danish cartoons sparked worldwide violence and rioting, injury and death, were they the radicals? And yet, after 9/11 and the deaths in 9/9 and the Mumbai attacks etc etc etc, there have been NO marches or demonstrations by muslims against such sick murderous attacks, so.. are they all radicals? No one is buying the myth of the ‘moderate’ muslim anymore, actions speak louder than words.

        • PRCS permalink
          December 2, 2009 9:00 pm

          My dear Claudia,

          There is no such thing as a ‘radical’ Muslim. As every Muslim is expected to adhere to, and to comply with, Islam’s teachings (from Qur’an, hadith, and Sira’h), it is nonsensical to label such Muslims–literalist Muslims if you will, true believers–as ‘radicals’.

          There are so-called ‘moderate’ Muslims who, the truth be known, are merely engaged in selective compliance with the words of Allah and Muhammad. But THEIR personal behaviour does not make literalist Muslims ‘radical’.

          There is no such thing as ‘radical’ Islam either. Only Islam.

          Our problem in this country, vis a vis Islam, is our ignorance of its teachings.

      • jmcaul permalink
        December 2, 2009 12:22 pm

        What is a ‘radical’ muslim? That’s easy. They are synonymous with what the 3rd Reich referred to as ‘good’ Germans.

  4. shane comeback permalink
    December 1, 2009 6:16 am

    We can hope it’s a sign Eurabia is at last waking up.

  5. betty boop permalink
    December 1, 2009 6:18 am

    I’ve said for awhile that my radical lefty friends and relations would need to consider how their daughters will look in burkas, and they laugh. It’s meant to lighten the horrible foreboding I have that this is, in fact, the truth. They won’t stop at Europe.

  6. valhalla permalink
    December 1, 2009 6:19 am

    It is interesting to see a slanted Leftist view of this issue. Violation of Religious Freedom applies more to Muslim countries (as mentioned) than Western countries. If Muslims in Western countries get Sharia Law there is that “religious freedom” (for Muslims) or Religious Oppression? Leftists would probably argue it would be religious freedom. And so the Leftist Idiocy and hypocrisy continue. How many Leftists want to live in Islamic countries?

  7. Truthy wood permalink
    December 1, 2009 6:35 am

    Its white thugs who are attacking Muslim countries and occupying , They must be kicked out from Muslim countries other wise they are going to make Next AmeriKKKA over there and Muslims will be next Red Indians.

    • Peachey permalink
      December 1, 2009 12:38 pm

      Truthywood,
      Remember that those good ole KKK boys were democrats under those sheets, and your lack of knowledge of world history as it relates to Islam and the conflict initiated by it is both disturbing and concerning. Did you attend an American Progressive school or were you educated at the Institute of Soros and Huffinpuff? Islam is the single greatest threat to the world. It is an aggressive cancer with malignancies of ignorance and a philosophy of death and destruction that infects all that it touches. If you post on this site, please be truthful and have the good sense to know that there are those on the site that actually study history. I am embarrassed for you and hope to see better posts in the future should you choose to join us.

  8. Truthy wood permalink
    December 1, 2009 6:38 am

    Don’t trust white thugs any more , They have destroyed many countries, They have done Genocides of Red Indians, They have done Genocides of Jews, They have done Genocides of Blacks, Muslims are their next targets.

    • Cas Balicki permalink
      December 1, 2009 8:13 am

      Read your recent history. America has done nothing but defend Muslims, first in Bosnia, next in Kuwait, and now in Iraq and Afghanistan. In Iraq and Afghanistan the genocides were Muslim on Muslim, and not Christian or white on Muslim. Your post is an embarrassment to the intelligence of people reading it. So either do some reading or quit posting trash.

      • Jonathan permalink
        December 1, 2009 12:31 pm

        If I were forced to guess, I would say that truthywood is most likely a college educated black urbanite who is parroting the extreme racial Marxist dogma of Reverend Farrakhan. Unfortunately, this demographic is strong in America and it needs to be noticed and publicized.

        I certainly don’t mean to imply it’s worse because of what I suppose his/her ethnicity to be. What I do want to point out is that the racial component to American politics is going to become increasingly strident, pronounced and dangerous in years to come. Something that is much less a problem in other Western countries.

    • The Inquisitor permalink
      December 1, 2009 8:32 am

      And don’t you forget it!

  9. Fred Alexander permalink
    December 1, 2009 7:06 am

    The politically correct need a wake up call. What we need to do is to say the truth, that Islam is not a religion of peace but a barbaric inhuman and uncivilized cult; that Muhammad was not a man of peace, a perfect man for all time, but a brutal plunderer, mass-murderer lusting for power, wealth and lots of sex.

    Muslims have been brain washed into believeing Muhammed was a prophet, just read the Koran, it’s all make believe fantasy. Someone tell those nut cases they ran out of virgins in paradise.

    Could it be that Arabs have a defective gene from all those years of inbreeding?

  10. Theodore Blunt permalink
    December 1, 2009 7:15 am

    Im in favor of the minarets. They should be permitted to do so just as soon as Christian churches are permitted in Saudi Arabia and have reached the same number as mosques in christian countries. Quid Pro Quo.

  11. December 1, 2009 7:52 am

    And George Lopez thinks Latinos will rule in America?

  12. tarik permalink
    December 1, 2009 8:30 am

    were are the churches in saudi arabia? where are the chruches being burned in egypt and not allowed to build new one? who is going to answer these question.

    • pull permalink
      December 2, 2009 12:37 am

      tarik – your questions have long been answered. they appear almost daily in the news. maybe you were too busy hating the kafirs that you missed out on the answer.

  13. The Inquisitor permalink
    December 1, 2009 8:36 am

    The Swiss still have a long way to go. The last I heard even mosques are not allowed in Slovenia.

  14. Mohammed permalink
    December 1, 2009 8:41 am

    As an American Muslim who is highly educated about the issues let me say:

    There are two groups of extremist and most people are hostage to these two groups:

    1.Extremist in the muslim world
    2.Right wing extremist that hate everything islamic.
    The rest of us are only reacting to these groups who are going at each other always over nothing.

    Also, don’t associate the action’s of one person or group of people to the billion muslims in the world who are minding their business.
    If the extremist had 1% support of the Billion Muslims, the impact would have been much different and you don’t need phd to understand that much.

    peace

    • The Inquisitor permalink
      December 1, 2009 11:56 am

      Nice try at moral equivalence.

    • Jonathan permalink
      December 1, 2009 12:37 pm

      What have you done or what will you do to protest the killing of those who renounce Islam and become apostates?

      What measures would you support to make it illegal to discriminate or deny equal treatment to non-Muslims in Muslim countries?

      What will you do to protest against those who openly call for the annihalation of Israel as official government policy?

    • Peachey permalink
      December 1, 2009 12:51 pm

      Are you stating that you are a Muslim that does not believe in the content of the Koran, Haddiths or Sunna? So, are you then concluding that by definition, a Muslim can choose the doctrine of the listed sources of Islamic dogma and still be considered a practicing Muslim? According to the Koran, if you do not accept the totality of the Koran and embrace it in daily practice you are not a Muslim and must step aside and accept your punishment, and permit another more faithful to go in your stead. Is this your viewpoint? Accoringly, the Koran is very clear when defining the faithful to Allah(the pagan crescent moon god). It is your basic in for a penny, in for a pound religion without equivalence. The base ideology of the practice of Muslim men is to be like Mohammed, viewed as the highest form of man. Do you practice this philosophy in your daily life? If you do, how do your reconcile the Koranic commands with your statement with those that practice the Koran in it’s totality are “extremists”. Are you stating that those Muslims that practice what is commanded in the Koran are “extremists”. What is a “moderate” Muslim? Are you stating that you practice a “cafeteria-style” Islam where you pick and choose the rules?

    • PRCS permalink
      December 1, 2009 8:05 pm

      Really.

      So, give us your educated definition of a Muslim ‘extremist’.

      • Jonathan permalink
        December 2, 2009 3:49 am

        Why do you need one? Peachey’s correct description of “mainstream Islam” should be scary enough for you, if you aren’t lobotomized by political correctness already.

    • gswat permalink
      December 2, 2009 1:09 am

      You forgot group 3: Worried mothers and other females who DESPISE (not phobic about!) islam as a misogynistic, barbaric, pre-civilisation ideology.

      Are we fanatics? Depends on your description.
      If you mean killing, torturing and maiming – nope we ain’t.
      If you mean voting to ban their laws, buildings, disgusting way of killing animals – yes we are.
      Does that make us racist? I doubt it. A blond blue eyed member of the ‘nation of islam’ – who wants to subjugate females is as despised as any other. Skin colour, nose shape etc. is irrelevant in this war of freedom versus subjugation.

      When the 99% of (supposedly peaceful) muslims you cite get up and riot because an islamist blew up a train, I might be convinced that you lot care.
      Until then, save me the same old lies.

  15. Kristen permalink
    December 1, 2009 11:05 am

    @Momohead

    People with IQ above 90, may recognize the usual muslim pattern in your speech:
    1 Condenscending authoritarian: I have the authority, the truth, I am educated, listen to me whatever BS I say
    2 We leave in world centered on Islam. Muslims are very good people indeed and never responsable, only reacting to western right wing extremists(I added a “s”).

    Please next time, with your “PhD” do not forget writting “s” to extremist: there is more than one in the whole muslim world… And actually, extremism is supported by most muslims by western standard of extremism.

    So like you said: mind your bussiness and stop insulting my Swiss friends.

    • pull permalink
      December 2, 2009 12:41 am

      Kristen – good one. he does have a “PhD” …Permanent Head Damage!…lol

  16. Pierre permalink
    December 1, 2009 11:17 am

    European peoples are brainwashed, treated as useful idiots, and our lords decide for their subjects.
    Like under Hitler and other dictators…
    If the same question had been asked to the Europeans, they had chosen the same answer…hold your horses !
    As our mighty auto proclamed ones compounded with Eurabia, it’s finished for their subjects to have a say in the matter…
    In the States, i think that you are aware that you are gliding in the same chasm: the campuses are still deep infected…

    the vote’s result would be the same in our countries as in Swiss.

  17. WestWright permalink
    December 1, 2009 11:20 am

    Moham, we don’t hate everything Islamic, we just hate everything Islamist that attempts to abrogate our freedoms or murders innocents. Take your veiled threats and FO!

    • paulipoldie permalink
      December 1, 2009 11:26 am

      Amen to that!

  18. HellenoChristian permalink
    December 1, 2009 11:26 am

    TruthyWood, you miss the fact that Islamic History is a bloody one, and about Jews, Islamic world collaborated with Hitler, and not enough, it is preaching nowadays (Egyptian Clerics, for instance) to “accomplish what hitlerian Nazis did not” – I am sure that Islamic world hates America and the West because they rejected hitlerian Nazism. Muhammedan Islam is really similar to hitlerian Nazism … same Threat for Humanity.

    Swiss voters choose not to allow more “Islamic bayonets” pop up in their Country and within their Civilization: wisest decision. [Now powerful Islamic Mafia and supporters accuses Switzerland of not respecting – their – human Rights: first of all Islamic world must fully recognize human Rights, instead of claiming human Rights for themselves and then offer their “Cairo Declaration” to others, which is exclusively based on Islamic Law/Shari’a ….]

    Mohammed, Islam is extreme, fortunately there are brave Ex-islamic people (risking their lives for their Apostasy …) and some Reformer of Islam which expose it. Not to forget that Islam is a Totalitarianism, and about Swiss, Europe and the West, they already rejected other Totalitarianisms: obviously and wisely they reject Islam, too.

    People are wellcome, above all if they assume their Rights and Duties, and they respect the Land and locals (instead of just claiming Respect for themselves, their cultural Habits, and so on): Ideologies (such hitlerian Nazism, muhammedan Islam, maoist Communism, lenin/stalinist Communism, …) and their Symbols, not at all.

    The Swiss vote comes a Result of Islamic (evil) behaviour all around the World – not the other way ’round: this has to be pointed out. Your semplification about “Islamic Extremism” or “Right-wingism Islam hater” makes maybe Sense to one like you – in the West we are much more educated people than you (think).

    Did you ever heard that expression: “it is the silence of so called Islamic moderates (against radical Islam) which is deafening”. Well, in any case, now you did.

    A beautiful life to everyone.

    [Swiss Left massively supported the “no” to minarets’ ban. It used that vote to campaing against “the Right” – which launched the anti minarets’ Referendum -, instead of facing that problem called Islam (whose nature is in opposition to typical Left’s Values, but, who knows, when it comes to it, the Left protects it?!)]

  19. December 1, 2009 12:23 pm

    Moms and Dads, you’d better stop Islam before it takes over your countries. If you allow Islam and Sharia to rule, your future grandchildren will curse you. Little girls as young as seven years old will curse you because old depraved Muslim male sex perverts will force little innocent granddaughters to marry them, and then the old depraved Muslim male sex perverts will legally rape these little future grandchildren with impunity. Don’t forget also that future little granddaughters will curse because depraved Muslim sadists chopped off their clitoris while they screamed bloody murder. Future grandchildren will curse you before they are buried into the ground and then stoned to death.
    Infidels, don’t be fools. I’ve studied Islam for eight years. You will find only filth and violence in the Qur’an. The Qur’an teaches no lessons on Love of Neighbor, no lesson on Morality, Honesty, or Justice. Islam is all about hatred, cruelty, violence. The next time a Muslim tells you a dirty lie such as “Islam is the religion of peace,” tell him to prove it by quoting the Qur’an, Hadiths, or any other Islam historal document. Tell him to show a passage in their Qur’an that would be beneficial for all human beings. He won’t because their is not any passage in the filthy Qur’an that would bene fit all humanity.

  20. Jonathan permalink
    December 1, 2009 12:25 pm

    So, if you ever wondered, “How will the left succeed in winning without defeating America’s military? How will they succeed with so many gunowners in the country?” Here is your answer staring you in the face.

    Fifty million Muslims. And if only 5 percent of males have been or will be radicalized by the imams of their European ghettos to become urban guerillas and suicide bombers, that leaves a cadre of between 1.5 and 2 million hidden in Europe.

    There is only the minor question of how the ideologies of the left and this imported army will mesh or clash once the common foe (Western Civilization) is defeated. But, I suppose that is a question that has already been or will be worked out soon enough.

    But I suspect the feminists of Europe will soon discover that they have been “Useful idiots” for the Islamo-Leftist Axis. And I suspect we ALL might soon discover that the Muslims have been busy hijacking the left, while they were busy hijacking America.

  21. December 1, 2009 12:38 pm

    Beware when a Muslim speaks about Islamic “goodness” or “Islamic Justice.” What is “good” or “just” in Islam is actually very evil to a Christian. In Islam, it is “good” and “just” to stone women to death; to “marry” little girls as young as seven years old; to murder beautiful young daughters in an Honor Killing; to lash women for one whimsical reason or another; to relegate women to second class status or worse; to chop off hands, feet, gouge out eyes of petty thieves; to collect the Jizya tax from “infidels.” So you see, you must be very wary when a lying Muslim speaks, through his lying Muslim mouth, about “goodness” or “justice of Islam.” Don’t be fooled.

  22. Phased permalink
    December 1, 2009 1:00 pm

    I say hurrah to the small Swiss nation that has bigger balls than the rest of Europe. They are proudly saying that they value their culture and reject the rape of it by the insane Muslims. They were sent over by their Imams to debase something so superior to themselves that the only way they can cope is by destroying that which stands as a testament to their inferiority. Islam is the most perverted form of religion to have ever been foisted upon mankind. It trains the human mind to ignore any pangs of conscience that may arise within it. It convinces the infected that the mind they have is not to be used to do any credible thinking or, allah forbid any questioning or examining. Somewhere in between the threat of extinction to the individual and the reward of sexual nirvana in paradise the Muslim has had individual choice ripped out from his chest and had submission rammed down his throat and up his rear. He had not known anything different. Muhammed, the so called prophet, used these naive desert tribesmen to do his bidding, to carry out his narcissistic cravings by threats and rewards. It worked then, it works now.
    America needs to insist upon loyalty from these immigrants and America needs to stand up and say no more tolerance to those who come here with their intolerance and hated. My analogy would be, would you invite to your home someone who insulted how you live, the clothes you wear, the music you listen to, what you believe in, the food you eat…? Would you invite them over again? Why are we inviting them to our “home?” If you don’t like us for who and what we are then stay away from us. We won’t miss you. I have no tolerance for your intolerance. I have no love for your hate. I do not give freedom to your totalitarianism. I do not give you permission to carry out your misogynistic crimes on my soil. You have no honor that you haven’t earned for yourself. Honor is not found between the legs of women and bestowed upon men by its virtue or lack. If I ever have to live under your system of society I will go down shooting. That would be my honor. How Americans can stand by and watch what is happening in our land with these people is beyond me. Common German citizens stood by and watched the abuse of Jews in their land and walked away thinking that they must have been guilty of something otherwise this would not be happening to them. Are Americans of the same sheeple mentality or are we going to rise against this creeping phenomena and shout NO? From what I’m seeing the sheepherders are ushering the sheep into a hell from which there may be no return. This current administration should be tried for treason and hung.

  23. December 1, 2009 4:02 pm

    The goats V The sheep

  24. Brad permalink
    December 1, 2009 5:31 pm

    In most Islamic countries,non-Islamic religious symbols are prohibited, houses of worship other than mosques are outlawed, and the ability to practice a religion othen than Islam is forcibly prevented. Yet, this vote by a Democratic, permissive society is denounced all over the world. Why the double standard? Yes, Europe is indeed in trouble.

  25. December 1, 2009 5:56 pm

    Muhammad, be thankful you can bad mouth America and Europe and live to tell about it. Try going to Saudia Arabia or Iran and bad mouthing their rules and beliefs. How long do you think you would be wearing your big fat head? Not very long. Apostates are crucified, beheaded, hanged for voicing their opinion that goes against the state. I must admit, I wouldn’t mind trading practices for a short while of it were to bring the whacking off of your head Muhammad. Whack!

  26. Carbondioxide permalink
    December 1, 2009 7:53 pm

    What is to be done in the US where our freedoms, traditions and institutions are exploited and perverted by the Cultural Marxist Left and Islam in order to gain power and destroy us?

  27. atherton permalink
    December 1, 2009 9:36 pm

    If I were a Swiss national living in any of the Muslim countries, I will right now pack my bags and leave.

    I could face a mortal danger anytime from the Religion of Peace activists !!

    Meanwhile, Swiss should also strengthen the security of their embassies and consulates in Pakistan !!

  28. atherton permalink
    December 2, 2009 1:03 am

    Mohammad says:

    “If the extremist had 1% support of the Billion Muslims, the impact would have been much different and you don’t need phd to understand that much.”

    The extremists do have more than 1 % of the Billion and half muslims ! They are giving them moral support and more importantly, financial support !!

    How do these Jihadi Training Centers (aka Madrassas) in Pakistan get their funds then??

    Every penny you drop in the box in your mosque goes towards killing someone !!

    Hope you ‘moderate’s realise that !!!

  29. HellenoChristian permalink
    December 3, 2009 4:40 am

    Atherton: you said – for a matter of Non-swiss minarets in Switzerland – Swiss have to pack and leave (Islamized Countries) …

    I think/say that it’s better for Islamic/Islamist people not even to try and touch Swiss citizens,

    otherwise should they expect “their” immigrants [*] in Switzerland to be touched, too?

    [*] In their Islamized Countries anything which is not Islamic is almost – publically and privately – totally banned.

  30. cartoon boy permalink
    December 3, 2009 12:07 pm

    I am so proud of the Swiss for showing some balls on this issue. Maybe all hope is not lost for Europe.

  31. laix permalink
    December 3, 2009 7:35 pm

    I am staggered by all this talk of ,’knowing ones history’, well if you all know your history, how come you forget about all the Chriatian and Jewish colonialism and the imposition and force of religion onto people all over the planet by Jews, Christians and Muslims……there are no better religions they all preach hatred and are violent towards womon…so you all need to read your history not keep preaching just Islamic bias…get some perspective..all relgions are cruel, womanhating and male dominated…..and have blood soaked pasts as well as the present time. You think all the violence against woman in the West is instigated by Muslims, lets look at the Catholic Church, has a history of a lifetime of violence and sexual abuse of children, murdering millions of South Americans during the Spanish colonialist past…and hates woman will not allow woman into the Cathoic church as priests….we could rant on about this for ever…all faiths have bllod on their hands…the Hindus..amazing how they violate their followers all the time keeping then in survile poverty like slaves…why not have a go at them?

  32. laix permalink
    December 3, 2009 7:44 pm

    Yes. Europe is such a wonderful example of how to be fair towards its people, responsible for 2 world wars in which millions were slaughtered in the name of God, King and Country, we are no example…we have practiced living and dying by the sword for over 2 thousand years before Islam ever existed……..we spread these wars all over Europe and the USA and as far as the Middle East….we tortured maimed and killed our way to everything we have, you people need to start telling the truth and stop re-inventing our European history, just because it makes you feel good….Blah Blah read our European history books…..and then tell me that we are ‘the good guys’ there are no Good guys, no educated guys, only those who have the biggest guns…..
    How petty while half the world is starving and the planet is so filthy it can hardly breathe, you all get petty about minarets???????? How narrow, how stupid can you all get….widen the lense, look out the back door, the earth is falling apart..because we have plundered, polluted and ruined everything we have ever touched with our greed and our arrogance…what matters religion, why are you all so bothered…at the end of the day ..are you really bothered about trvia or REAL issues…….rather than scapegoating…….get bothering about how you can make a better world….

    • The Inquisitor permalink
      December 4, 2009 4:31 am

      Laix, you could help to bring our planet back to its original pristine condition and atone for the sins of your ancestors at the same time by simply committing suicide. Won’t you do your part?

    • Jonathan permalink
      December 4, 2009 5:29 am

      Laix, you’re an idiot.

      No, I’m not going to agree to be overrun by Muslims because of something bad that happened 800 years ago, or 70 years ago that had nothing to do with me.

      BUT!

      I promise… if the Catholic church ever tries to enslave me in the future, I’ll resist. I promise. And if any Jews try to force me to convert to Judaism or die, I’ll resist. And if I see anyone kill a bug or cut down a tree or drop a dirty hankie on the roadside, I’ll protest loudly and clearly. Okay? Feel better now?

      Oh yeah, and I drive a fuel efficient car that gets great mileage and I help homeless people.

      There you go. Have I earned the right to live yet? Can I at least try to do something to help my unborn grandkids?

  33. laix permalink
    December 5, 2009 8:05 pm

    One expects abuse from those who have small minds and unlimited ignorance…..just amazing how willing you all are to demonstrate such negative attributes………:0)

    • Jonathan permalink
      December 5, 2009 9:43 pm

      It’s easy with you Laix. The neat thing is that a small mind of unlimited ignorance is not a prerequisite to be abusive, per se. But it is the standard M.O. of a leftist.

  34. laix permalink
    December 5, 2009 8:08 pm

    Incidently what you all fail to grasp is the Islam is just playing catchup and incidently I notice that the Vatican does not allow other religious buildings on it soil either, so I guess the Saudi’s took their example from the noble pope. :0)

    • Jonathan permalink
      December 5, 2009 9:40 pm

      What would you want them to do at the Vatican? It’s only the size of a small military base. Build a synagogue on the roof of the Basilica? Plant a temple in the middle of the ovus? Dig a basement behind the museum for the Hari Krishnas?

  35. laix permalink
    December 5, 2009 8:15 pm

    Truth Detector, you are not keeping up with the news, recently two white Christian men in Scotland , murdered their girls friends one by setting fire to her and the other by cutting her throat, In another incident a white Christian boy in London paid another white man, to throw acid into the face of a young woman he had been stalking , todate she has had 34 operations to restore her melted face.
    It matters not where ever you mad men live you need to murder maim and kill woman and girls…..there is NO good religion as there are not decent human beings called males……;0) Stop preaching lies and get over your inadeqaute self….

  36. laix permalink
    December 5, 2009 8:19 pm

    Blunt, well when the Vatican allows other sacred buildings on its soil I guess Saudi will follow, they get on well with the Pope.;0)

    • Jonathan permalink
      December 5, 2009 9:48 pm

      Well, pretty much every other Western sovreign state has allowed them sacred buildings, plus granted them welfare checks, looting and rioting rights, protected victim status, the right to attempt to take over the country if they want to, and the right to shut down free speech with Hate Crime statutes. They can even pray in most schools and have official government favor. So, why do we need to worry about a piece of land.

      No. I think we can hold out on the Vatican until we get some reciprocal rights. I want a gay pride parade officially approved by the King in Mecca.

  37. laix permalink
    December 5, 2009 8:22 pm

    Every place one ever visits are covered with Christian churches, churches built under oppressive colonial rules….in all manner of odd places you find churches…the church of this, the church of that, the church of everything under the sun……even in the Davinci Code…a church all the way up there in wee Scortland……;0)

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