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Why Are Conservatives So Quick To Eat Their Own?

December 1, 2009

A peculiarly CONSERVATIVE predilection.

I must admit that this entire controversy (conservative feeding frenzy?) surrounding Governor Mike Huckabee’s commutation of Maurice Clemmons’ sentence back in 2000 makes me a bit queasy.  Am I the only one that thinks the vitriol and condemnation of Huckabee over this is way over-the-top?  Let’s take a step back from the beat-down for just a moment and examine the situation objectively, shall we?  Most everyone knows the facts surrounding the killings by now.  If you don’t, see here and here.  All reasonable people can agree that this is a horrific crime which could have been prevented if the criminal justice system had worked properly.  My prayers and deepest sympathy are with the families of these slain officers.  Nevertheless, to single out Huckabee as the party most responsible in this matter is patently absurd.

Understand that I’m not necessarily stating that Huckabee is being completely forthcoming in his statements explaining his thought process surrounding the decision he made to commute this man’s sentence to 47 years from 108 back in 2000 when he was still in the Governor’s office (although I am giving him the benefit of the doubt until we get some more reliable evidence to the contrary).  What I am saying is that the evidence that he is lying about this comes from sources which are questionable at best, and in the case of prosecutor Larry Jegley, from a Democrat who has run against Huckabee in the past and certainly appears to have a long-standing grudge against him.  Michele Malkin has led the charge to pillory Huckabee, and a host of conservative bloggers have piled on, falling over themselves to drive a wooden stake through Huck’s heart in a rather disgusting display of viciousness if you ask me.

I use that metaphor advisedly, as one has to wonder what – other than hatred/fear of a possible Huckabee candidacy in 2012 – would motivate such unmitigated lack of restraint?  More than a few conservative bloggers have come perilously close to blaming Huckabee directly for the deaths of those four police officers in Washington.  I suspect there are other factors at work here, including disdain for some of Huckabee’s religious convictions and social conservatism that some in our camp think harms the Republican brand.  Thus the effort (eerily similar in some respects to the Left’s crusade against Sarah Palin) to eliminate him as a factor.  Here’s what the former Governor had to say in his own defense yesterday afternoon on Sean Hannity’s radio show:

“All I had in front of me was his [Clemmons’] adjudication record, plus the recommendation of the trial judge, a five-to-nothing vote by the [parole] board, and no objections from the attorney general, secretary of state, from law enforcement officials or victims.  And I read one blogger who said “vehement protests from the victims”.  That simply is not in the record that the Governor’s Office possessed.”

Until I see some reliable evidence indicating that Huckabee is lying about this – and I haven’t – I’m not going to join in the rush to condemn him.  Malkin cites stories from the Seattle Times, Arkansas Leader, and Arkansas Times, none of which take a conservative approach to journalism (admittedly, few newspapers do today), at least two of which endorsed Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and Obama in successive elections, and all of which contain allegations which Huckabee denies.  These allegations include the damning and frequently-repeated (by conservative bloggers over the past 2 days) claim that Huckabee commuted Clemmons’ sentence “over the objections of prosecutors.”  Huckabee has denied this as well, insisting that there is no record of any such objections being set forth at the time.  For the record, both Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich have to date refused to comment on Huckabee’s role in the Clemmons affair, other than to offer their condolences to the families of the murdered police officers.

Again I repeat:  I am not defending Huckabee per se, only urging restraint and condemning the current rush to judgment based upon questionable and incomplete information at this point.  I can’t help but be reminded of both the Mark Foley (R-FL) scandal in 2006, and the 2007 scandal involving Republican Senator Larry Craig. In both cases Republicans and conservatives rushed to condemn these men and to demand their removal from office.  For further evidence of cannibalistic tendencies among conservatives, one need look no further than what happened to Republican Governor Mark Sanford just this past June. In stark contrast to this, observe the obscene spectacle that is Democrat Congressman Barney Frank.  What is this obsession conservatives seem to have with destroying their own regardless of the merits of the case against them?

  1. Paul permalink
    December 1, 2009 10:52 pm

    Still, I’d rather vote for Huckabee for President rather than the two judges Thomas J. Felnagle and John McCarthy for ANYTHING. Huckabee didn’t do a smart thing, but he reduced his sentence from 108 years to 47 years (still wouldn’t have done it). These two judges, gave him only $15,000 bail to be paid (meaning he had a bail of some other amount and made him only pay $15,000 for his bail). I say, mandatory no bail when the victim is a child (either under the age of 12 or 14). This thing got me entirely pissed. I was pissed at everyone in this situation. The two judges, Huckabee, the parole board in Arkansas that granted him parole, the friends and family that held him after he KILLED 4 cops, everyone. Now I’m better, Huckabee’s situation is at least better, Clemons was 16 years old and got 108 years (I’d still give him 108 years and wouldn’t commute the sentence), and Huckabee reduced it to 47 years. Then the parole board in Arkansas gave him parole. Came here, committed 6 felonies, beat up a cop, then raped a 12 year old girl, and the judge, John McCarthy gave him only $15,000 to be paid and Thomas J. Felnagle signed off on it. Huckabee, parole board, judges. Kept going down along the road, building pressure and heat, until it exploded in killing 4 cops in cold blood, because they were cops.

    • Bailamount permalink
      December 2, 2009 11:36 am

      How many times are you going to post this half-truth about his bail amount. The bail for the one case was $150,000. The bail was paid in full. Using a bail bondsmen he was able to give the bail bondsmen $15,000, and they put up the $150,000 bail, he still had to pay $150,000. This is how things work in a capitalist economy, not saying it is right, but please be FACTUAL.

      Remember, people are still innocent until proven guilty, no matter how disgusting the charges are. Unless there was some physical evidence, DNA, video, photos, etc, I don’t see how you can deny bail.

    • princeliberty permalink
      December 2, 2009 12:02 pm

      This is not eating our own. This is ACCOUNTABLITY!

      If more Republicans had been held to account over the past decade – Obama would have never won.

      We lose when we overall the wrongs of people because they have a Republican lable.

      • Jeff permalink
        December 4, 2009 6:23 am

        The title implies that Republicans eat their own….and Democrats don’t eat anything…

        When all of a sudden did 47 years become a short period of time anyway? Parole is what it is…accept it…Huckabee doesn’t assume responsibility for this clown for the rest of his life. What if he had become a productive member of society and cured cancer? Would you guys write an article about that? Doubtful…Terrible tragity, more than one mistake made, namely giving this guy parole…try not to hang the most biggest voice in the process, he isn’t required to bear the brunt of the screw up on his own.

  2. Marylou permalink
    December 1, 2009 11:34 pm

    Thank you for addressing this. It has been of grave concern to me. I hope we can become more unified and supportive of one another. Kudos to Hannity for hearing the governor out and the news sources which printed his response! and of course NewsReal for having an open blogosphere. Yay!

  3. Carlos Varner permalink
    December 2, 2009 2:07 am

    I agree. When Huckabee acted, this guy wasn’t the monster he would later become. And Mike made him eligible for parole – he didn’t actually let him out the cell. These Washington judges don’t have an excuse.

  4. David Thomson permalink
    December 2, 2009 2:35 am

    Mike Huckabee is greatly responsible for Barack Obama capturing the White House. He remained in the race for the Republican nomination long after it was clear his chances were next to zilch. The former Arkansas governor siphoned off votes from Mitt Romney —thus allowing the politically correct and inane John McCain to win the contest. This is something we should never forget. At best, Huckabee’s behavior might be described as childishly naïve. Romney would not have hesitated to turn Rev. Jeremiah Wright into a legitimate issue during the presidential campaign. By September at the latest, Obama’s campaign would have been effectively over. Ann Coulter considers Huckabee to be something of a nice guy. Nevertheless, she could never support him due to his mushy and sentimental big government views. I don’t wish to see Huckabee excommunicated from the GOP. It is enough to deny him its presidential nomination.

    • ann permalink
      December 2, 2009 5:43 am

      Mitt Romney is greatly responsible for Barack Obama capturing the White House. He remained in the race (after Romney quit) for the Republican nomination long after it was clear his chances were next to zilch. The former Mass. governor siphoned off votes from Mike Huckabee —thus allowing the politically correct and inane John McCain to win the contest. This is something we should never forget.

      That road goes both ways, David.

      • ann permalink
        December 2, 2009 5:46 am

        Edit: Disregard the parenthetical phrase in the second sentence of my posting.

      • David Thomson permalink
        December 2, 2009 8:59 am

        “That road goes both ways, David.”

        You simply do not have your facts straight. Mitt Romney had the most votes. Mike Huckabee was so far behind that he statistically he could not catch up. It was over for him. It made no sense whatsoever for him to remain in the race—except to hurt Romney and help the politically correct John McCain.

      • Jeff permalink
        December 4, 2009 6:25 am

        Except David’s statement is more accurate….

  5. David Shedlock permalink
    December 2, 2009 3:48 am

    “The former Arkansas governor siphoned off votes from Mitt Romney ”

    That is only the perspective of someone who assumes Romney the rightful owner of votes. How would it have turned out if Fred Thompson had not stayed in through South Carolina, maybe Huck would have won. I believe a poll of Florida voters said they would have voted for McCain not Romney if Huck was not in the race.

  6. Michael Lewinski permalink
    December 2, 2009 3:54 am

    Conservatives eat each other because they are a righteous lot who believe only their perspective is correct.

  7. Nash permalink
    December 2, 2009 5:15 am

    A real Charlie Foxtrot indeed.

  8. Pat permalink
    December 2, 2009 5:50 am

    I often gripe that most of my fellow conservatives must love the 2nd Amendment largely because it enables them to keep shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity. They despise Huckabee because they still believe the ridiculous fantasy that if only Huckabee weren’t in the 2008 race, Mitt Romney or Fred Thompson would’ve ridden in on a white house and taken the presidency by a landslide. Please. The GOP brand was so poisoned by then, and people so angry at anything smelled of slick CEOs and the old money establishment, our only hope was a DC outsider with real executive experience, great communications skills, and the ability to relate to blue collar Reagan Democrats, minorities and other average working people. Huck could’ve done that, if only party true believers hadn’t sabotaged him at every turn.

    And this current piling on is both ridiculous and obscene. Huckabee did nothing more than allow a guy who’d already spent 11 years in state prison for non-violent property crimes when he was 16 to become eligible to APPLY for parole. I want every ranting rightwing mouthpiece who condemns that to take an oath right now that if their own precious snowflake ever, say, “borrows” a car to go joyriding without asking permission, that they will insist that the punishment they believe in so fervently be applied equally and their own kid given 108 years in state prison on grand theft auto charges with no possibility of parole. That way, we can make sure that at some far distant future point, their kid doesn’t get out and go on a cop-killing rampage.

    Any takers for that oath? Didn’t think so.

  9. Squat permalink
    December 2, 2009 5:57 am

    Nice attempt to cover for Huckabee, but I’ll bet if Huckabee was a Democrat you losers would be ready to lynch him.

  10. Jeff Dover permalink
    December 2, 2009 6:00 am

    I don’t know the particulars of either the commutation nor, frankly, Huckabee’s politics. What I do have is a lasting impression from the primary race in ’08 that Huckabee is NOT a conservative, but rather a RINO Lindsay Graham type.

    The RINO approach to elections and politics in general is what has led us to where we are now and we cannot win with that sort of thinking at the top. RINO’s — if by accident — are Democrat enablers who steal seats which could be taken otherwise by constitutional conservatives. RINO’s merely act as a “sea anchor” on the Democrats never-ending pull to the Left. They only slow down the leftward drift rather than halt it, turn it around 180 degrees to find the fair wind and good water. RINO’s do not inspire people and they do not win the big fights. They are an answer to none of this nation’s problems.

    I think it must also be the perception of other conservatives — Malkin to name one — that my view of Huckabee is correct. They are responding properly in my opinion as Conservatives move to regain the high ground in the Republican Party.

    • Mark Koenig permalink
      December 2, 2009 12:19 pm


      While there are plenty of legitimate reasons to oppose Huckabee becoming the Republican nominee in 2012, this incident simply isn’t one of them. That’s the point of my post. I have my own issues with Huckabee, not least of which is his lack of strong conservative credentials on several issues. Nevertheless, that does not justify conservatives acting like a lynch mob and using any excuse they can find to destroy Huckabee’s credibility. The very essence of the conservatism I support demands that one evaluate FACTS calmly and rationally before making a judgement. On this particular issue that is not being done by the likes of Malkin and her cohorts. Huckabee has repeatedly made what I consider to be a reasoned and rational defense of his action regarding Clemmons. Many on our side don’t care and refuse to hear it. Their unfortunate attitude seems to be: “Well, I don’t like him anyway, so screw him.” That’s not acceptable in my book. Conservatives ought to be above this sort of feeding frenzy, but the fact that this sort of thing continues to occur demonstrates that some of us have a ways to go along the road to intellectual honesty and maturity.

    • Soylent Green permalink
      December 3, 2009 1:53 pm

      I agree Jeff. Huckabee is ‘conservative’. He’s a ‘nice’ (read naive) guy, but so were both George jr. and his daddy. It’s too bad Clemmons got out but not for Huckabee. He’s still here! It’s too bad for the 4 policemen and their families! Don’t tell me that ALL politicians and Governors especially don’t have vision’s of lollipops and being President someday dancing in their heads every night. Maybe if they see their chances of becoming President evaporate whenever this happens, they’ll start to think twice over letting the scumbags out. Unless of course THEY are scumbags like Clinton and they get tit for tat out of it.

    • Soylent Green permalink
      December 3, 2009 1:55 pm

      Ooops…I meant to say Huckabee is NO conservative.

  11. Steve permalink
    December 2, 2009 6:21 am

    Great article Mark….here’s hoping that cooler heads prevail on this matter. Malkin is WAY off base regarding protests from the prosecutor’s office…..

    Both mainstream and new media have falsely stated that prosecutors objected to Huckabee’s sentence reduction although I just got off the phone with Pulaski County (the county involved) prosecutor Larry Jegley who said of whether Huckabee had received an objection from him, “I am sure he didn’t receive an objection”.
    He said that he would have objected but that his office does not have record of receiving a notice that Huckabee was looking for comment regarding clemency for Maurice Clemmons.
    I asked him if it was common to not receive notices and he said it was, “not common”.
    I asked him if he gets notified after the fact that a clemency takes place and he said that he does get notified.
    I asked him why he did not object to the clemency documentation showing that he had no objection and he said it would not have mattered to Huckabee whether he objected or not.
    I asked him if thought there was a problem with the Arkansas notification system because he claims that he did not receive notification of the proposed clemency. He said that he did not believe there was a problem with the system and that he usually received notification.

    My questions now are:
    What went wrong in the Arkansas system? Why didn’t Jegley receive notification of the proposed clemency when he normally does?
    Could Jegley’s office have lost the paperwork? Considering the sentencing judge received notification and responded (with support for the sentence reduction) it looks like sending the notification was not overlooked.
    Why didn’t Jegley contest t he clemency when he found out that it had occurred without his input?
    Why didn’t Jegley report to Arkansas officials that he was not always receiving proper notification? Wouldn’t this be a criticl problem to addresses even if it happened just once?

  12. Voter permalink
    December 2, 2009 6:40 am

    Thanks for this article. For those interested in all sides of the story, Mike Huckabee has written two exceptional articles, in which he both (i) accepts responsibility for his actions and (ii) lays the actual facts out before us. Newsmax, entitled, “I Take Full Responsibility” Thank you for your post. Please also see Mike Huckabee’s article on, front page, entitled I Take Full Responsibility’ for Granting Alleged Cop Killer Clemency” and his article in Human Events, entitled “Washington State Tragedy.” They set out the facts and the “entire” story for those interested in such a thing.

    Also interesting update on the Ark prosecutor who has become Huckabee’s biggest critic. David Schmidt, president of Huck’s Army, spoke with the Ark prosecutor who admitted to David in a telephone interview that, actually, he never did send objections to Huckabee re the clemency (from the prosecutor’s own mouth). Jegley admitted that he never logged objects to the commentation he said he never received notice, although everyone else did (and Jegley himself admitted the system works well and he otherwise always receives notice). And he never corrected the Commutation Declaration that Huckabee issued in which he stated he had posted notice and did not receive any objections (just recommendation of parole from a circuit judge).

    So, the prosecutor did not object to the 2000 commutation, although he has been publicly stating otherwise.

    Jedgey has been stating how badly he wanted Clemmens behind bars. After the initial parole in 2000, Clemmens apparently thereafter committed two other crimes in 2004, thereby violating his parole. Jedgey failed to file the necessary paperwork in a timely fashion so Clemmens had to be released. When Clemmens was arrested in WA on the recent charges, Jedgey initially filed a “bench warrant” to hold the prisoner and make him ineligible for ball. Thereafter, with no explanation proided, Jedgey dropped the warrant, making Jedgey available for the subsequent ball which friend Clemmens to murder the four policemen. This how badly Jedley wanted Clemmens behind bars.

    Jegley has been Huckabee’s most vocal critic.

    But in looks to me like Huckabee was — and is — the only straightshooter in the crowd — and the only one willing to accept his responsibility and hopefully to improve the failed system.

  13. Carterthewriter permalink
    December 2, 2009 6:48 am

    What we are witnessing is the process of elimination. We must sort out from the multitude until we settle upon someone who has the courage to stand up for everyone’s rights, not just a single cause. We’ve had too many shallow people step up only to find later on that nothing new has been added to the game in Washington.

    Let us find out who these people really are before, not after, this time!

  14. December 2, 2009 6:56 am

    This is not the first case in which Huckabee granted clemency to a criminal who went right back to a life of crime; in 1996 he granted clemency to serial rapist Wayne Dumond. And there are others. As of 2004, Huckabee had issued more pardons than the leaders of six neighboring states combined — Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Missouri — in the preceding eight years.

    This demonstrates an apalling lack of good judgement on the part of the former Governor. Redemption is the Lord’s business, not Huckabee’s. I think he got confused about his primary role as Governor, which should be to protect the citizens of his state as best he can from vicious predators like Clemmons.

    Huckabee failed, miserably, and should take full responsibility for it. It won’t change anything. The establishment media will still portray Huckabee as Dukakis 2.0, and so will Republican challengers. Oh, they won’t state as much directly. They won’t have to. But the implication will always be there, under the surface.

    Just for the record, I don’t “hate” Huckabee. He’s just not a conservative. He’s a squishy RINO, and I’ve had enough of RINOs, thank you very much.

    Coddling violent criminals like Clemmons is similar to coddling violent terrorists. It’s in the same ballpark as requiring our soldiers to read Miranda warnings to terrorists on the battlefield. It’s in the same ballpark as closing Gitmo in apology to the world for “torturing” captured terrorists that were never tortured. It’s in the same ballpark as awarding terrorist savages from the 7th century with the same Constitutional protections and guarantees as any American citizen, and then prosecuting them in a civlian court mere blocks away from where the most devastating terrorist attack in our history occurred. It’s all part of the same leftist mindset. Huckabee has more in common with Obama than Reagan or even GWB.

    Huckabee is a good man, but he would make a terrible POTUS. His serial clemencies are the proof in the pudding.

  15. December 2, 2009 7:10 am

    I’ve thought the same thing, but I think our willingness to criticize those in our party speaks well. We act on principle. I think Mark Sanford has to go. Huckabee seems to have a long history of being soft on crime, and while I don’t think he was entirely responsible for Clemmons’ freedom, I do detect a bit of trying to pass the buck in terms of responsibility. He is also known as being soft on welfare programs and spending big. I have to admit I voted for him in the primary, but I did not know much about him. I guess I was taken by his persona, of having strong Christian principles. He also seemed like a genuinely nice guy who would be good diplomatically. I’m a devoted watcher of Fox News but now can’t stand his show. He strikes me as too pious, too nice–something’s not right. Maybe he was an okay preacher. He has a soft heart. But he also seems to have a soft head and does not belong in politics.

  16. Two Elks permalink
    December 2, 2009 7:34 am

    Huck is far to liberal for me and now this ! I feel he played a mayor roll in the killing of the cops. I’d never vote for him !

  17. DRS permalink
    December 2, 2009 7:44 am

    The controversy seems to be a contrived attempt to discredit Mr. Huckaby.
    Where are the folks who champion the idea a 13 yr old and a 17 yr. old should not be sentenced to life in prison ? (see supreme court docket)
    Me. Huckaby showed compassion by considering the age Clemmons was at the time he commited crimes.
    Mr. Huckaby should say ” I gave a young man a second chance. What he did with that opportunity is his responsibilty.”

    • Carterthewriter permalink
      December 2, 2009 7:58 am

      He didn’t. That’s the problem with him.

      • DRS permalink
        December 2, 2009 8:11 am

        to carterthewriter

        Point taken.

  18. Barbie permalink
    December 2, 2009 8:17 am

    Great thoughts, as usual, Mark. You always seem to keep a cool head about you when writing. Many could learn from your “sit back and find all the facts” approach before belching out their opinions in the media.

  19. Fred permalink
    December 2, 2009 9:05 am

    I agree. I was deeply discouraged by comments made by ‘Christians’, ‘conservatives’, and by both political groups, about Huckabee. And yes, they were outright blaming the murders on Huckabee, not the actual murderer! I suspect it was ‘payback’ for what were perceived slights of Sarah Palin, attributed to Huckabee. It was every bit as vicious as the attacks lobbed on Bush and Palin. It was embarassing, hurtful, and in most instances wrong and out of context. It wasn’t about causing doubt of Huckabee, it was about destroying him, completely. Marginalizing him to a show host only, in the future. I am ashamed of my party, and even co bloggers and comments left by them.

  20. hardcore texan permalink
    December 2, 2009 9:53 am

    Thanks Mark for exposing what so many of us believe, that the conservatives are their own worst enemy. Many act like vultures devouring the latest “road kill”. They do not need the liberals to criticize them, they do a good enough job themselves. These “holier than thou” bloggers and pundits are too quick to condemn. They would choose to believe a longtime Democratic prosecutor who has run against Huckabee and lost, rather than the governor. They do not bother to get all the facts but rush to judgement. Huckabee is being used as a scapegoat for purely political reasons to destroy his reputation. Sadly, politics is so dirty and ugly I can see why good citizens would really NOT want to get involved in it. Yes, I am a Huckabee supporter and have accepted his explanation and appreciate his expression of regret and sorrow for what happened to the police officers. I can forgive this deed because it is one I might have made also if I had been in his position. Giving 109 years to a sixteen year old does not seem appropriate or reasonable. He did not kill, main or rape anyone when Mike communted his sentence to 47 years in prison. The parole board let Clemmons out on probation later, not Huckabee. Everyone has made a decision they later come to regret! Huckabee is not perfect, he is not Solomon, but I do believe he is a honorable and ethical person.

  21. Yephora permalink
    December 2, 2009 9:59 am

    What is the point of reducing a murderer’s sentence from 108 years to 47 if not to begin the wheels turning for further reductions down the road? Parole boards are notorious for releasing enemies of society back into society to prey on us once again. Parole boards are criminal-enablers. If Huck was a conservative he would know this instinctively and acted in society’s best interest. Instead of saying No! he displayed a warped sense of misplaced justice. Comes from him being a dewy-eyed idealist who doesn’t understand the true nature of evil. Just like the liberals

  22. Stephen Brady permalink
    December 2, 2009 10:04 am

    “Why Are Conservatives So Quick To Eat Their Own?”

    Because they want to win in 2012. Any sort of weakness … perceived or real … in a potential candidate is enough to cause them to withdraw their support. As an example, there’s still conservatives who want to throw Sarah Palin overboard because of the “hot pictures” of her, or the “Death Panel” comments.

    Standing in the background are the RINOs (whom we used to call them Country-Club Republicans). They are smiling at all of this, because they want us to implode and make possible all of David Frum’s nicest dreams. Like RINOs from time immemorial, they don’t realize that this will put the enemy back in the White House for four more years.

    Wake up, my friends. The Democrats are not our friends, and neither are the Big-Tenters. We’ve got to give our support, financial and otherwise, to a conservative or the DEMs and the RINOs will sell this country to the highest bidder …

    … which appears to be the People’s Republic of China …

  23. Rhodi permalink
    December 2, 2009 11:01 am

    This is not an uncommon occurrence–Huckabee is innocent here. He did what was required by law and what was within his knowledge at the time (the guy was a kid); and I think going after him is ridiculous. Instead, going after the corrupt judges and defense attorneys who let Clemmons go AS A CONVICTED ADULT WITH 8 FELONIES needs to be the target. I’m disgusted that conservatives are going after Huck. Criminals get off all the time. Liberal pandering judges are the main problem in our Justice system.

    And it is a disgrace to the families of the police officers (my husband is one) to be focusing on an ex-governor when the bastard that killed them is not getting blames. Ultimately, IT’S CLEMMON’S FAULT–HE SHOT THE GUN!!!

  24. Rhodi permalink
    December 2, 2009 11:02 am


  25. Anneke permalink
    December 2, 2009 11:20 am

    “In stark contrast to this, observe the obscene spectacle that is Democrat Congressman Barney Frank.”

    Are you saying we should not seek to remove corrupt, miscreant Conservatives from office simply because the Democrats support and defend their disgraces? Wow. I’m speechless.

    I’m an evangelical Conservative Christian. All my acquaintances assumed that I was supporting Huckabee because he had been a pastor. However, I had already done my homework, and as Mary has noted above, Huckabee had a reputation for being soft on crime, soft on welfare and pro-government spending. Huckabee may be a Republican but he is not a Conservative.

    • Mark Koenig permalink
      December 2, 2009 12:54 pm


      You’re missing my point. No – I am certainly not saying that Republicans/conservatives should accept corruption or illegal/seriously unethical behavior. Huckabee’s actions in this case are neither. While I understand quite well that you and many other conservatives dislike Huckabee for various reasons, many of them quite valid, it is unacceptable to tar and feather him for this incident, where by all indications he did what a prudent, rational person would have done, given the circumstances. Please re-read his explanation, and then tell me where he is lying, and on what basis you make this conclusion. I’m all for picking the appropriate candidate for public office, but from where I sit, many conservatives are taking the attitude that the end (knocking Huckabee off the playing field) justifies the means. That’s a tactic of the Left that we rightly revile. True conservatism demands that one evaluate the facts in a rational manner.

      • Carterthewriter permalink
        December 2, 2009 1:01 pm

        This article brought about a lot of sound remarks. Thanks, Mark.

      • Anneke permalink
        December 2, 2009 1:37 pm

        Hi Mark: Since I didn’t mention anything about Huckabee lying, I’m going to assume that you were reacting to someone else’s comment.

        I think that commutations/clemencies granted to folks who’ve committed violent crimes is always a bad idea…. for a 60 year-old or a 16 year-old. Forgiveness for sin and error is a Christian virtue, but forgiveness does not erase the crime nor the need for punishment. This reminds me of an interview David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam killer, did with Focus on the Family a few years ago. Berkowitz converted to Christianity in prison. He and I agree that he may find God’s forgiveness, but Berkowitz insists that his sentence should not be changed because of his Conversion. He’s willing to accept his deserved punishment. Huckabee may’ve fallen into the forgiveness=lenience trap.

        While I don’t think Huckabee should be drummed out of the Party or his head should be delivered on a stick, I do think his failed judgment (in the Clemmons case, the Dumond case, et al) indicates he’s not good Presidential material.

  26. hardcore texan permalink
    December 2, 2009 11:38 am

    Rhodi, thank you for not putting the blame on Huckabee. I know these horrible murders have touched you and your family personally since your husband is a police officer. It will be a sad Christmas for the families and I am praying for them.

  27. Martin Balaban permalink
    December 2, 2009 11:40 am

    Perhaps you forgot: Remember the McCain Kennedy immigration bill that was narrowly defeated? I personally heard Huckabee say that anyone against this bill is a bigot.

  28. Cynthia Thornburg permalink
    December 2, 2009 12:30 pm

    I am NOT a Huckabee supporter and I DO accept his explanation.

  29. George H. permalink
    December 2, 2009 12:38 pm

    Certainly the rest of the Arkansas and Washington state justice systems are as much or more to blame than Huckabee, but he’s hardly innocent in the case. Besides, when has this person ever been fair to his constituents, much less his critics?:

    When Republican state senators in Arkansas proposed legislation modeled after Arizona’s Proposition 200 [to require proof of citizenship for voting and public benefits], “Huckabee described it as ‘inflammatory … race-baiting … demagoguery.’ He said the bill, which seeks to forbid public assistance and voting rights to illegal immigrants, ‘inflames those who are racist and bigots and makes them think there’s a real problem. But there’s not.’” (Governor says anti-illegals measure could scare off companies like Toyota,” Associated Press, 2/3/05)

    Hard to feel sorry for a guy who basically calls his opponents on immigration, who just happen to be most of his would-be constituents, Nazis. Such a creature doesn’t have a right to demand fairness. He hasn’t been loyal to the nation, or the conservative movement since beyond a shadow of a doubt mass immigration will kill both, why should anyone be loyal to him?

    More Huckabee quotes on immigration:

    “One of the great challenges facing us is that we do not commit the same mistakes with our growing Hispanic population that we did with African Americans 150 years ago and beyond. We’re still paying the price for the pathetic manner in which This country handled that.”

    ““For decades, we treated our state’s African-American population poorly. The Hispanic influx gives us a second chance to prove what kind of people we really are.”

    “I think frankly the Lord is giving us a second chance to do better than we did before.”

    ““Pretty soon, Southern white guys like me may be in the minority,” Huckabee said jokingly as the[Hispanic] crowd roared in laughter.

    What makes this relevant to this discussion is that it points out the truth that Hackabee has internalized the hatreds of political correctness, he’s wracked with white guilt (combined with a type of effeminate Christianity), he’s another Jack Kemp. It would be interesting to know the racial breakdown vs. the breakdown of Arkansas crime by race in Huckabee’s pardons. I’ll bet it shows the same sort of muddled, weepy, political correctness as his views on immigration.

  30. John L Work permalink
    December 3, 2009 5:19 am

    Can someone explain to me how it is that Mike Huckabee is really a conservative.

    I’m just not seeing it, exactly as I do not see John McCain as a conservative.

    Commuting Mr. Clemmons’ sentence was a mistake. Having worked in law enforcement and the criminal justice system for 22 years, it is difficult for me to believe that Mr. Huckabee did not have any documented objections to reducing Mr. Clemons’ sentence in hand from either law enforcement or from the prosecutor of record. I’m very skeptical.

    Clemmons was a high profile convict, even as a juvenile. He did not receive a slap on his hand for his crimes – he got 108 years. That fact is most noteworthy and unusual. In Colorado, unless a juvenile is tried and convicted as an adult, the max one can receive is two years in the juvenile offender prison system.

    I think there’s some more objective investigation to be done as to how these releases from custody were accomplished, both in Washington and in Arkansas.

    • Rifle77 permalink
      December 5, 2009 11:20 am

      How is Mike Huckabee a Conservative?

      By being the staunchest GOP opponent of abortion….an issue which many that call themselves “Conservatives” have been happy to trade for their almighty free market riches, never mind the 45 MILLION slaughtered babies since Roe v Wade.

      45 MILLION….That is the equivalent of a 9/11 attack every single day, for forty-one years.

      45 MILLION….A number almost 8 times the number murdered at WWII concentration camps.

      But I guess abortion is a “secondary issue”…huh?

      Mike made a judgement in this clemency he will regret for the rest of his life, and no one outside the families and co-workers of these police officers feel worse about it than he does.

      Mike Huckabee has sufficiently accepted responsibility for his part in this tragedy. And yes, it has cost him any chance at the White House.

      But the stoning needs to stop.

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