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Climategate Jumps the Pond: NASA Continues to Stonewall on FOIA Requests

December 4, 2009

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We have our own data buriers at NASA.

Christopher C. Horner, global warming skeptic and author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming (and Environmentalism) and Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Lies, and Fraud, and Deception to Keep You Misinformed, appeared on Thursday’s Hannity show to discuss the Climategate scandal.

Horner and Hannity discussed, among other things, Horner’s Intent to File Suit notices on behalf of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, where he is a senior fellow, prepared in response to NASA’s stonewalling for nearly three years on releasing documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act.

The information sought is directly relevant to the exploding “ClimateGate” scandal revealing document destruction, coordinated efforts in the U.S. and UK to avoid complying with both countries’ freedom of information laws, and apparent and widespread intent to defraud at the highest levels of international climate science bodies.

This information, the ongoing research for which we pay with our taxes, should be a matter of public record. It has influenced the Kyoto Protocol, Cap-and-Trade legislation, efforts by the EPA to regulate emissions, and will likely influence the upcoming Copenhagen conference. Public and international policy has for years been based largely on this data. We deserve to know the basis for these policies.

Furthermore, NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (which conducts the climate change studies) is directly implicated in the CRU scandal, as employee Gavin A. Schmidt runs the Tides Foundation-funded Environmental Media ServicesRealClimate.org blog, whose purpose is to defend Michael Mann’s debunked and defrauded “hockey stick” model of global warming. (You knew there just had to be a Soros angle, didn’t you?)

In addition, we have yet to receive an explanation as to why the GISS has repeatedly had to correct its data going back to the 1930s. Steve McIntyre of ClimateAudit.org caught GISS head and Al Gore crony James Hansen red-handed manipulating data last year to claim that October 2008 (a perfectly average month, climate-wise) was the hottest on record, forcing him to revise it. In 2007, Hansen claimed that the 1990s were the hottest decade on record and had to “revise” his data not once, but twice. Last January, Hansen was busted just flat-out making up numbers.

The GISS responded to Horner yesterday in the Washington Times, saying that NASA has no idea why they have taken nearly three years to not even fulfill Horner’s FOIA request and that they have not even heard about the ClimateGate scandal. (Gregg Knapp at Big Government calls this the “Sgt. Schultz defense.”)

Mark Hess, public affairs director for the Goddard Space Flight Center which runs the GISS laboratory, said they are working on Mr. Horner’s request, though he couldn’t say why they have taken so long.

“We’re collecting the information and will respond with all the responsive relevant information to all of his requests,” Mr. Hess said. “It’s just a process you have to go through where you have to collect data that’s responsive.”

He said he was unfamiliar with the British controversy and couldn’t say whether NASA was susceptible to the same challenges to its data.

Uh-huh. They must not have cable.

The $6 trillion question is this: for whom is NASA covering? Sammy Benoit thinks the GISS is withholding the data in order to protect Hansen, while Jammie Wearing Fool thinks that Hansen is the leaker of the CRU data. Maybe they are protecting NASA itself, or possibly the whole “climate justice” house of cards.

Time, hopefully, will tell, but will it do so before Copenhagen in three days?

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37 Comments
  1. Sam Deakins permalink
    December 4, 2009 4:21 am

    Al thinking “Darn, that lard in my hair really tastes good”.

  2. December 4, 2009 4:46 am

    Al is saying,” Ah did not have dealings with that institute!”

  3. jbtrevor permalink
    December 4, 2009 5:31 am

    This whole international fraud and manipulation of Gov., people, etc is really eerie…

    • Freeme permalink
      December 4, 2009 6:32 am

      Yes, you may think it more than just eerie when the Crap N Raid BILL is passed? ….all 145 TRILLION DOLLARS of it. Does everyone get how ludicrous this is? ….

      A Bill passed ON PROPAGANDA AND LIES by leaders YOU trust/trusted?

      The FACTS AND STATS prove this is the biggest HOAX in history, but then I guess that depends if YOU know your climate Science…and if you listen to the Scientists in bed with the Fed OR those honest, ethical, independent ones with a CONSCIENCE?

      • JE Tabler permalink
        December 4, 2009 9:30 am

        I actually heard that the other day, I think on Bret Baier, but I couldn’t find a link for it.

    • Dave F permalink
      December 4, 2009 9:19 am

      I would have to ask the American public a question. Do you prefer higher taxes on energy because of supply reasons OR self imposed by taxes (cap and trade)? In the end, we are still dependent on Oil from foreigners which is causing us to go to war to defend those supplies.

      We need to fund alternate forms of energy – to prevent us from paying the real price of oil. If the world thinks we need to reduce our consumption – oil prices stay lower than if India and China rev up the oil refineries.

      Many alternatives exist to reduce the amount of oil to our own country’s supply; Nuclear, Nat Gas, solar, wind, thermo… if we drastically reduce oil usage – we free ourselves from many headaches.

      • JE Tabler permalink
        December 4, 2009 9:43 am

        I want lower taxes, lower oil prices, and energy independence. That we have don’t all of the above is asinine. North Dakota and Montana have more oil than the entire Middle East. The US also has easily enough natural gas reserves to last 100 years. There’s no reason for us to buy oil from anyone.

        http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

        I read somewhere that more oil seeps away from the California coastline than they drill for, because, you know, seeping oil is so good for wildlife or something.

        If we entered into a trade agreement with just Canada, that would buy us another 50 years, because they just don’t use what they have (which less than what the US has, but it’s more relative to their population), either.

        We North Americans have absolutely no use for OPEC. Even Mexico’s got loads of oil sitting off its coastline.

        The free market needs to fund alternative forms of energy, which it does every time you buy oil, because the oil companies, not the government (which has never brought anyone anything worthwhile), will be the ones who bring it to us.

        • Dave F permalink
          December 4, 2009 9:51 am

          Independence is never cheap – it is never marketed that way by anyone; either side.

          We cannot even get “clean” new technology nuclear plants because it is an eye sore AND you think a sour-crude refineries plus a few open pit fields to get that oil in North Dakota and Montana will pass?

          • F. Swemson permalink
            December 4, 2009 3:21 pm

            Dave ;

            Sorry to have to tell you, but you’re absolutely wrong about our need to rely on foreign oil:

            There’s another enormous hoax that’s going to become public knowledge quite soon.

            One of the things we hear all the time, is that we have to buy foreign oil, because our own reserves are very small. That’s another myth that’s about to be exploded.

            According to our government’s Energy Information Agency’s (EIA) latest report (March 2009) the total known oil reserves of the world amount to roughly 1.3 trillion barrels of which the USA has only 21 billion.Have you heard the real numbers yet?

            According to an Investor’s Business Daily (Investors.com) report dated Nov 5 2009, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) in now reporting that the total known oil reserves of the world amount to roughly 5.58 trillion barrels of which the USA has largest portion with 1.32 trillion barrels, almost 2.5 times as much as Saudi Arabia !

            We actually have enough petroleum reserves to last us for 200 years! And that’s of course in addition to our huge natural gas reserves.

            Here’s links to both reports.

            The EIA report: http://www.tncd.com/ebs/eia.reserves.pdf
            The IBD report: http://www.tncd.com/ebs/power.to.spare.pdf

            Nobody in the government or the elite media tells the truth about anything anymore.

            America is bad, the Israelis are the real terrorists, America has an energy crisis, and the world’s about to be burned to a crisp. Has the entire world gone mad ?

            What the hell is going on here ?

            • Dave F permalink
              December 5, 2009 12:14 am

              @F. Swemson

              At the end of the day… all this global warming, oil, and constitution crap will mean nothing. Yes I can here half of you jumping up and down claiming US this and that but it does not change the fact that 1/3rd (76 million) people are hitting social security and medicare.

              That train cannot be derailed or debunked… it is cold hard truth.

              In the end we all see 45-65% taxes on the verge and no amount of shell games or yelling will change this. We better start putting some more headcount under this upside down triangle or we are all going to get bent over much more in the future.

              that is inevitable.

          • Stop the Leftists permalink
            December 4, 2009 4:56 pm

            Could you please explain how the current trend to buy back our own renewable resources from foreign countries is considered energy independence? Many of the solar, wind, and other plants being built in the U.S. are owned by companies from foreign countries. They buy many of the parts to install the plants from their own and other foreign countries and then sell what they reap of our resources back to us. I do not call that energy independence. Do you?
            Another question I would love to have answered is why the public isn’t aware of this trend.

            • F. Swemson permalink
              December 4, 2009 5:56 pm

              You’re not seriously asking me to give you a RATIONAL explanation of anything our government’s doing, are you?

              As for public awareness, look to the lame stream media for an answer to that.

        • Kenneth Gareau permalink
          December 4, 2009 1:37 pm

          I heard yesterday, cannot remember where exactly, but I think it was a statement from, Martin Gross. “All From State Land

          The U. S. Geological Survey (USGS) in 1989 estimated Alaska’s oil potential at 13billion barrels. But then in 1995, just six years later, they tripled that number-to 33billion potential barrels on both land and offshore. This May, that estimate will be revised upward again says the USGS. Even the present figure shows that Alaska has 40% of American oil reserves, enough to eventually make America almost self-sufficient.

          The sin is that the present Alaskan oil is all extracted from state lands. The U.S. federal contribution? Zero. Not a teacup of oil has been produced on federal lands in Alaska. All the production from Prudhoe Bay and numerous other wells have been developed entirely on lands owned by the state, which pays every Alaskan citizen an oil bonus each year.”

          The state land thing is significant because, I think this is a correct figure, about 70% of the state is owned by the Federal Government.

          Conservationists should be the next target after this global warming fiasco gets put away. It is time to take the country back from those who insist man be cleaner than the natural processes happening on our planet. Like the oil seepage you mention above.

          In a metals newsletter I get it was discussed that uranium is getting very scarce, but that there are methods now available to re manufacture spent fuel rods and recover the nuclear material for additional use. So much for the storage issue, so why are we still at only 13% of production from Nuclear energy when places like France and other western European countries are in the 70% range.

          People we are and those we unfortunately elected to office are making us a “Fourth World Nation”. We long ago passed being able to be called “Third World.”

          • JE Tabler permalink
            December 4, 2009 3:52 pm

            Peak oil is another myth along the lines of anthropogenic global warming.

            • F. Swemson permalink
              December 4, 2009 4:24 pm

              JE;

              You’re exactly right, and as I said above that myth is soon to be debunked as well

        • Bill in CA permalink
          December 5, 2009 1:02 pm

          JE the US has more oil than rest of the world. There is just as much oil in Alaska as there is in Montana and North Dakota. Have you ever heard about Gull Island up on the North Slope of Alaska, and that is just one of large oil fields that could be develped in Alaska. In California there is still 7 1/2 billion barrells of oil under the city of Long Beach. But the greenie weenies are fighting to stop drilling there. Off the coast of CA there is estimated 33 billion barrells of oil. But the Communist Democrats don’t want to drill becasue of oil spills. There only problem is that mother natural now causes the oil spills no man, since the oil companies can afford the liablities of a oil spill they have improved on how they drill and more careful with their operations.

          • F. Swemson permalink
            December 5, 2009 2:06 pm

            Bill is right

            Look, pollution is still an issue, even though AGW is not and never has been…

            Our pollution problem is not however due to CO2., but rather to the toxic chemicals & carcinogens that are released into our air & our waters. And a big part of the problem is natural, such as the sulphur dioxide, which comes from volcanos.

            But look at the progress we’ve made.

            My car in college (a 63′ GTO) got 8 miles to the gallon, but at 29 cents per gallon, I didn’t care… The car I drive today gets 22 city and 28 highway, & it’s the best car I’ve ever owned.

            Diesel engines are now twice as efficient as they were 25 years ago, and a company in Australia has just come up with an aftermarket device that can cut diesel emissions down by close to 80% from where they are now.

            With the technology we’ve developed in the last 35 years, we’ve cut vehicular emissions cut by more than 50%, and in the next 50 years technology will reduce it to far less than it is today.

            There are a number of new technologies being worked on now, that promise to eliminate hydrocarbon emissions completely, and I’ll stick my neck out & say, that one of these may well be ready to hit the market within 5 years, and it has the ability to wipe out both vehicular emissions, as well as all the emissions from our power generation plants as well..

            The bottom line, is that with more than 200 years worth of oil reserves, and the largest natural gas reserves in the world, we have more than enough to sustain our needs until the scientists and engineers solve the problem for us, and I’m certain that they will.

            The industrialized nations have pissed away $50 Billion in recent years trying to figure out how we can change the climate. If we open up our oil reserves, the wealth that we will create will be more than enough to fix our country’s economy, pay off our LEGITIMATE national debt, and deal with ancillary problems like pollution along the way.

            As long as we can get rid of our big and corrupt government, all of this can happen, and at this junction in our nation’s history, when we are literally facing the abyss, I believe that we must do this by whatever means necessary if we’re to survive…

        • J Essex permalink
          December 6, 2009 6:51 am

          Exactly– well said. Montana and North Dakota (and other states) also are loaded with reserves of coal– enough to last 200 years at today’s prices– more if energy prices continue to climb. We are being told by the green people that coal is old, dirty, should be discarded. But– these are the same people who hate America, hate industrial capitalism, and want the world to become a communal wind and solar utopia. However, to discard fossil fuels is to discard what remains of our industrial base. Coal is currently about 50% of our electrical generating base, and it can also be refined into gasoline, diesel, methanol, or any other hydrocarbon fuel we desire. The US is the Saudi Arabia of coal– we have more than any other country. We could, if we wished, supply nearly all our energy needs with coal, and balance our trade deficit and enhance economic security in the process. I believe an integral part of the global warming agenda and the demonization of CO2 is to affect a removal of coal from Americas economic arsenal to affect economic upheaval. But, that is just me.

          • F. Swemson permalink
            December 7, 2009 3:29 pm

            JE

            They demonize coal because it’s an easier target, but it’s all nonsense.

            All they care about is their lust for power.

  4. December 4, 2009 6:33 am

    The fact that all of this is exploding and a obvious scandal is being exposed, the depth of which will probably further uncover the depth of fanaticism and radicalism inside the US government, AND the POTUS is still heading off to Copenhagen shows once more how totally foolish and naive this man (Obama) is.

    While all involved in ClimateGate are busy pulling up the rails and the black smoke of burning ties reaches the stratosphere the leader of the US and top representative of all American’s ignorantly pursues the folly now known to the entire world.

    If the POTUS continues putting America and its citizens in jeopardy will this be an impeachable event?

    Jeff

  5. Carterthewriter permalink
    December 4, 2009 6:53 am

    The moment anyone denies something, one is aware of a fraud. That’s the first thing you are taught when the knock on your front door reveals the slick one. We knew him as the traveling salesman. Now, we have to deal with the media ones; just as slick as they ever were.
    There upon lies the problem, the pitch is all one sided.

  6. December 4, 2009 6:59 am

    It’s MICHAEL Mann’s hockeystick, not JAMES Mann

    • JE Tabler permalink
      December 4, 2009 9:58 am

      You’re right! Fixed it. Thank you. At least I didn’t write “Thomas Mann.”

  7. John permalink
    December 4, 2009 7:56 am

    I think what Obama and the Dems forget is… We didn’t so much want you in as Bush and the GOP out.. They had their two terms to make sense of their policy and they failed.. To play the black card and push for world government when it wasn’t even mentioned during his campaign is pushing it a little bit.. If by change Obama ment killing the middle class and our jobs while handing our sovereignty over to a fantasy based leftist think tank.. He didn’t mention that..

    • JE Tabler permalink
      December 4, 2009 10:02 am

      He did mention that, actually. He said he wanted to make major decisions through the UN. He also said he was planning Cap-‘n-Tax and wanted to bankrupt the coal companies. If you voted for Obama you voted for this abomination.

      Obama’s only bait-and-switch was on the issue of Israel, and even then, nobody had any excuse for believing him, given his history of terrorist associations and pandering.

  8. John permalink
    December 4, 2009 8:10 am

    The media MSM are no help at all in sorting this mess out.. They protect their political party and its leader.. They protect their political bias.. They protect their business interests.. They protect their own reputations.. There is just no room for truth after jumping so many bars.. Its business as usual and its not so much sad as expected..

    In fairness Bush did the same but the word change had us thinking that you were going to lose the bad parts and replace them with good parts.. Watching the GOP for so long you have picked up their habbits.. The danger of slaying a monster is in order to defeat it you have to learn from it..

  9. December 4, 2009 8:20 am

    It remains to be seen whether the Climategate scandal has the necessary momentum to push past the media establishment barricades to enter main stream consciousness as the epic scandal it is. Time is not on the side of truth. The longer they can keep this bottled up, the greater the likelihood that Climategate will be regarded as mere conservative conspiracy mongering.

    • JE Tabler permalink
      December 4, 2009 10:06 am

      A Rasmussen poll said that 59% of Americans aren’t buying global warming. They discussed it in the same segment.

      • Dave F permalink
        December 5, 2009 12:50 pm

        59% of Americans also do not EVER pick up another book after college (if they ever attended) either.

        • F. Swemson permalink
          December 5, 2009 1:14 pm

          It’s true that many Americans don’t read books… But having recently moved from the epicenter of the intellectual elites to a small town in the boondocks I can tell you from personal experience that there’s more common wisdom in these people than in half of the professors at our universities….

          Don’t make the mistake of thinking that people who aren’t intellectuals, are necessarily stupid…

          There are plenty intellectuals that I’ve run across who couldn’t find their own a$$ with both hands in the dark.

  10. December 4, 2009 12:32 pm

    There’s the other little detail you forgot.

    America’s wealth is heavily tied to the idea of the world using the US dollar to price oil. That’s why you invaded Iraq, because they started selling oil in euros.

    Now, so is Iran.

    Ironically, if the world is weaned away from oil, it’s weaned away from the dollar, which is already under pressure anyway…

  11. Elaine B permalink
    December 4, 2009 4:55 pm

    Always excuses. Get caught with your pants down and we didn’t see what we saw.

    Even if the man-made global warming fraud was real, who in their right mind would want the U.N. making world policy?

    Has the whole world gone insane? (We know our government has.)

    • Carterthewriter permalink
      December 4, 2009 6:25 pm

      Al is not going to Europe,; can’t find his pants.

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